How old is too old

[jf1970 328]

i really do hope you prove the doubters wrong, the dog is young and given time should make a full recovery, i wish you atb in this young dogs recovery and look forward to future post about you and your dog, cheers......john.

[KittleRox 2,147]

What contradictions ? when i said id give her at least a few months i meant before letting her loose of a leash with no other dogs etc then it would take at least another few to get her ready to run if she ever was ready to run .

 

Bottom line here is this there are to many idiots the now who think a dogs working life starts at 6 months old and the reality is it doesnt . People now rush in two feet first and end up with a dog thats no good for nothing. Time is and always has been the secret with dogs and somewhere along the line this has been pushed aside and its now comon practice to be running pups and expecting what they have seen and heard of mature dogs in there third season doing .

I agree mate as far as Lee taking it easy with HIS pup, I reckon he should forget working her untill next season, just get her fit, take her decent walks over the summer and so on

 

what I can,t quite figure is some of your statements/ methods in general, you say your not going to do anything other than basics/ walking to heal etc for at least another two months, can,t see anything wrong taking the pup ferreting now, letting it grab bunnys in the nets ( builds confidence), learning to mark etc,

 

next statement "my 5 year old bitch hasn,t been layed up for anything other than torn pads" tells a story that statement maybe becase the bitch has been kept on a short leash in its younger days and its feet have suffered because she hasn,t been excercised on the ground you,re running

 

you also say you wouldnt enter a dog too early incase it opens up, which is fair enough but then you say it would be ok to let the pup watch other dogs on the lamp, this imo increases the chances of the dog yapping, a dog thats as keen as fxck to get in on the chase ain,t going to enjoy watching the other dog run when its tethered to a lead, I also think a dog learns absolutely nothing watching another dog running a beam

 

one or two other things but I can,t be arsed,atb

 

I would be interested to know if you let your own pups run aboot daft when oot your daily walks

[whin 463]

o how dare you question people , youll get hate mail like the whin man ,fresh earth more like earth dreamers ,having had several dogs over the years , let mines go out with a sensible kennel pal or mother once they start knowing the score on there own under supervision,,fech most dogs can catch a rabbit dont see all the fuss is about at times , its when you get bigger faster qaurry that you see a dog either dong it or not , yappings in a dog , but can be stopped if you never over tax a dog , if you bred of sensible parents who are steady etc less chance of yappers

[KittleRox 2,147]

o how dare you question people , youll get hate mail like the whin man ,fresh earth more like earth dreamers ,having had several dogs over the years , let mines go out with a sensible kennel pal or mother once they start knowing the score on there own under supervision,,fech most dogs can catch a rabbit dont see all the fuss is about at times , its when you get bigger faster qaurry that you see a dog either dong it or not , yappings in a dog , but can be stopped if you never over tax a dog , if you bred of sensible parents who are steady etc less chance of yappers

christ your dugs must be shite, my whips had three fallow and a puma already

[B.P.R 2,798]

Thanks jf, fresh earth and kittle rox yer sox off

 

Oh......... And whin I suppose:hmmm: ..............

Edited December 15, 2011 by Veedublee

[KittleRox 2,147]

rox yer sox off , I like that hahaha

[B.P.R 2,798]

poet and I really didn't know it

[fresh earth 47]

First of all my old bitch tares her stoppers which i should have probably said rather than pads and the reason being is i run alot of hard ground and some of my pest control involves industrial estate grass areas that im not alot to shoot due to idiots peppering units with riffles and she unevatably tares a stopper now and again when she ends up catching on tar but then again what dog wouldnt . Before anyone says anything about bad area to run a dog etc i know when and when not to slip my dogs and know fine well the consiquences if they hit the wrong surface but i would loose a serious amount of ferreting ground if i wasnt seen to be controling these rabbits aswel. As for a dog watching by all means let a pup take rabbits in the net etc but i dont work mine this way i only ever use two of mine at once while ferreting and only two of them are allowed to hold rabbits in the net but thats a different story . As for a pup watching on the lamp depending on the way you work your dogs etc yes it could encourage yapping but i train my pups with my older calmest bitch i do things quietly calmly and learn the pups its not all about having every run and mainly to follow the lamp and keep in tight i dont run anymore than one on any rabbit and when i start a pup it starts on its own with me and the pup and by this time it does it or it doesnt. As for pups running loose none of my pups after they are broken from the letter get to run loose with other pups i have them out with the older dogs loose and learn them to keep close work cover etc now but i only let them in cover i know nothing will bolt from so basicly i teach them basics of the field a little patience and obediance and respect for the rest of the pack.

 

I already said this pup should have been held back till next season but every time i come on here there is a different post with basicaly the same things said and as i bred the bitch its the last thing i want as it goosed before its even started . All i can see is that lee has had bad information when it comes to starting a pup as from what i have read i can only guess the people he has been speeking to have been telling him to get the pup started asap like alot of people will say followed by get her fit and all the other garabage aswel as other posts about when to start running beside a bike etc. Now im sorry if i come across slightly cheesed of and sorry if im wrong here but if this is the advice he has been given its far from how these dogs should be brung on . After breaking a leg in my view the last thing any running dog needs is repetative running on hard ground beside a bike nor does it need rushed into starting especialy after injury . All the advice i have given from day one is take time dont rush and at the end of the season i would get out for a look at something with her dam. I know how hard it is not to get out there with a pup and when we see a rabbit with our first dog we all slip it way before its ready but its just like lee is getting all sorts of advice and isnt sure which way is right and realy no way is right everyone does it different but with small light dogs i personaly have learnt that mine are better of started later rather than sooner . Put a whippet over a collie and itll work with ferrets at 6 months if you let it and i know folk that do but regardless of the breed i try to let a dog mature before i start it .

[B.P.R 2,798]

i didnt start the pup early mate. she was out with the ferrets at 12 weeks on the lead, just learning whats what. i intended to have her out every weekend but not doing anything, learning the nets, being around the ferrets and so on. the broken leg was nothing to do with me. i was away on holiday, pup was in perfect health, ran through the gap in a fence surrounding decking and her foot slipped between 2 paving slabs and snapped as she moved forward. thats a freak accident.

 

second one im not sure if i contrubuted to the injury. she had been walking for 4 weeks or so, had her out on the lead, and let her off for a bimble about. next thing she was whining and had hit her knee off a tree stump = chipped bone.

 

about the bike, i didnt walk her next to the bike as such. i just got her used to the bike. same as you get pups used to everything. didnt want her to go 12 months without seeing the bike and then one day shes terrified of it. i took her up a country path and let her off and rode 'EXTRA SLOW' she just walked behind me. nothing vigorous.

 

ive no complaints about the pup, when i got her off you she was in tip top shape, dam was in good shape and the conditions were excellent. the pups a cracker, retrieves well, good recall and always wants to please. i do know that the accidents this dog has had is nothing to do with its breeding. vets tried and tried to find something that wasnt quite right and after tests upon tests their answer was, 'this pup is in top condition and absolutley nothing that is not 110% with it' so whin sayin that fresh earth should not own up to breeding this pup is boll0cks.

 

i have had mixed advice about the pup. ive come to sort the wheat from the chaff and realise the genuine advice from the sh!te. the pups on minimum walks, slow, short and steady. ive made the mistakes with the pup, shes looked after to the best of my ability and everything ive done for her has been what i thought was the right was to do things and the correct way to bring her up. no expense has been spared with her or my other dog and the dogs welfare is my main priority, anybody on here who knows me can vouch for that. i can hold my hands up and say what ive done wrong, unlike a lot on here who just try to blag and make out like they know something you dont. ill learn from my mistakes and get better at what i do.

 

mistakes are there to be made, its learning from them that makes you better

[Country Joe 1,411]

I think its just been hard luck, i also have a Whippet pup,i have been going out Ferreting at least once a week, and have taken the pup since he was six months, he is now turning into a good marking dog.

I have told Veed, the article in the Working Whippet book, about the Bitch who broke a leg at three months,

has now turned into a decent worker, and have seen a photograph of the Bitch with fourteen rabbits taken on the lamp.

Edited December 16, 2011 by Country Joe

[KittleRox 2,147]

First of all my old bitch tares her stoppers which i should have probably said rather than pads and the reason being is i run alot of hard ground and some of my pest control involves industrial estate grass areas that im not alot to shoot due to idiots peppering units with riffles and she unevatably tares a stopper now and again when she ends up catching on tar but then again what dog wouldnt . Before anyone says anything about bad area to run a dog etc i know when and when not to slip my dogs and know fine well the consiquences if they hit the wrong surface but i would loose a serious amount of ferreting ground if i wasnt seen to be controling these rabbits aswel. As for a dog watching by all means let a pup take rabbits in the net etc but i dont work mine this way i only ever use two of mine at once while ferreting and only two of them are allowed to hold rabbits in the net but thats a different story . As for a pup watching on the lamp depending on the way you work your dogs etc yes it could encourage yapping but i train my pups with my older calmest bitch i do things quietly calmly and learn the pups its not all about having every run and mainly to follow the lamp and keep in tight i dont run anymore than one on any rabbit and when i start a pup it starts on its own with me and the pup and by this time it does it or it doesnt. As for pups running loose none of my pups after they are broken from the letter get to run loose with other pups i have them out with the older dogs loose and learn them to keep close work cover etc now but i only let them in cover i know nothing will bolt from so basicly i teach them basics of the field a little patience and obediance and respect for the rest of the pack.

 

I already said this pup should have been held back till next season but every time i come on here there is a different post with basicaly the same things said and as i bred the bitch its the last thing i want as it goosed before its even started . All i can see is that lee has had bad information when it comes to starting a pup as from what i have read i can only guess the people he has been speeking to have been telling him to get the pup started asap like alot of people will say followed by get her fit and all the other garabage aswel as other posts about when to start running beside a bike etc. Now im sorry if i come across slightly cheesed of and sorry if im wrong here but if this is the advice he has been given its far from how these dogs should be brung on . After breaking a leg in my view the last thing any running dog needs is repetative running on hard ground beside a bike nor does it need rushed into starting especialy after injury . All the advice i have given from day one is take time dont rush and at the end of the season i would get out for a look at something with her dam. I know how hard it is not to get out there with a pup and when we see a rabbit with our first dog we all slip it way before its ready but its just like lee is getting all sorts of advice and isnt sure which way is right and realy no way is right everyone does it different but with small light dogs i personaly have learnt that mine are better of started later rather than sooner . Put a whippet over a collie and itll work with ferrets at 6 months if you let it and i know folk that do but regardless of the breed i try to let a dog mature before i start it .

We,ll agree to disagree aboot lamping , entering etc, as for the advice to Lee when to enter his pup I agree with you

Edited December 16, 2011 by KittleRox

[whin 463]

to much talk not enough action why tell a man how you do your dogs everybody is diffrent, go out and enjoy your dog vee , making mistakes is how we learned as kids at the dog game ,i did and many others , long before daft computers ,if a man has to ask a hundred questions on a dog hees not useing his own loaf or head ,hope it goes well

[B.P.R 2,798]