How old is too old

[KittleRox 2,147]

once had a doberman when I was a laddie, broke its leg when it was a wee pup ( got hit with a car) Its leg was slightly squint as it grew older but this never hindered or bothered the dug in any way, he used to jump 6 ft plus nae probs, even used to course hares with him and my cousins doberman,aye they were the days lol

This is a piss take hopefully....either that you've lost your f*****g mind!!...

Gods honest truth mate, I was aboot 13 at the time we started chasing the hares, never fookin caught any mind you, didn,t know what a lurcher was back then lol

I suppose 3ft and 6ft were easy to mix up when you were 13....

Wrong on that count as well my friend, I trained that doberman to do everything a police dog would do, my first lurcher at my first gamefair entered into the high jump comp for the first time and came away with well I,ll let you guess, aboot 8 ft he went over, I can still remember that day like it was yesterday

Think we have 2 different meanings of the word "Jump" here mate.........

[dennned 172]

at what lol

dont you remember whin, i offered you a start in a re-run , but you asked for a start on a hare ffs , you dog needing starts on hare , lol --- now back on topic , veed i'm pretty sure you made the right decicion with your pup , take my advice ---BE PATIENT take as long as you think is neccessary----atb den

[RossM 8,121]

The only difference between a pet/worker and a dog bred purely for working is how the owner sees them, the dog tries just as hard either way right? If a dog injures itself in the field giving it all for YOU, the dog deserves the right to be allowed to recover where possible, and to try and prove his/her worth in the field again, not discarded like an used porno, it seems to slip people's mind that we put our dogs in a position on the chance it may injure itself and if god forbid they do, we owe it to them to give them the chance to prove their worth again, it seems the cheaper option to start again when it could be quicker to get them fixed, ffs get insurance!

[Guest cookiemonsterandmerlin]

Also why name a working dog as a dog does not need a name to be trained in any aspect its human trait to name dogs.

 

Cookie

[Lab 10,979]

The only difference between a pet/worker and a dog bred purely for working is how the owner sees them, the dog tries just as hard either way right? If a dog injures itself in the field giving it all for YOU, the dog deserves the right to be allowed to recover where possible, and to try and prove his/her worth in the field again, not discarded like an used porno, it seems to slip people's mind that we put our dogs in a position on the chance it may injure itself and if god forbid they do, we owe it to them to give them the chance to prove their worth again, it seems the cheaper option to start again when it could be quicker to get them fixed, ffs get insurance!

Some good points there mate but the facts are spending thousands on the 'chance' of the dog getting back to full fitness is a no no for some folk, and you can see there reasons for that. Be alot cheaper to get another dog and try again. As i say some folk wont do that and will persevre with there dog and give it a chance....i think this is when you can distinguish if people see there dogs as pets or workers....

[RossM 8,121]

The only difference between a pet/worker and a dog bred purely for working is how the owner sees them, the dog tries just as hard either way right? If a dog injures itself in the field giving it all for YOU, the dog deserves the right to be allowed to recover where possible, and to try and prove his/her worth in the field again, not discarded like an used porno, it seems to slip people's mind that we put our dogs in a position on the chance it may injure itself and if god forbid they do, we owe it to them to give them the chance to prove their worth again, it seems the cheaper option to start again when it could be quicker to get them fixed, ffs get insurance!

Some good points there mate but the facts are spending thousands on the 'chance' of the dog getting back to full fitness is a no no for some folk, and you can see there reasons for that. Be alot cheaper to get another dog and try again. As i say some folk wont do that and will persevre with there dog and give it a chance....i think this is when you can distinguish if people see there dogs as pets or workers....

 

I'm £28 per month on mine, and I completely understand the whole pets/workers scenario, but IMO that is a thin line, does it become just a worker when you can't afford the maintenance? Veedublees bitch could turn out cracking in the field but due to an injury that he is willing to spend time and money on that others wouldn't he's getting told to rehome? Before he's even tried her in the field? Vets can do more now for leg breaks than the old wooden spoon lanced to the leg trick, they reckon the bone heals stronger than ever when the bone fuses together, I agree with the it's a lemon get rid game but not the ooooyah thats gonna cost me game, if ye can't afford to run a dog ye shouldn't own one, as you've already said on your old boy, youd spend money on him, i know what I want to say but I can't put into words, long story short, whin it's not your way or the high way it's the way the owner sees fit to raise work or rid his own dogs,

 

 

[dennned 172]

The only difference between a pet/worker and a dog bred purely for working is how the owner sees them, the dog tries just as hard either way right? If a dog injures itself in the field giving it all for YOU, the dog deserves the right to be allowed to recover where possible, and to try and prove his/her worth in the field again, not discarded like an used porno, it seems to slip people's mind that we put our dogs in a position on the chance it may injure itself and if god forbid they do, we owe it to them to give them the chance to prove their worth again, it seems the cheaper option to start again when it could be quicker to get them fixed, ffs get insurance!

Some good points there mate but the facts are spending thousands on the 'chance' of the dog getting back to full fitness is a no no for some folk, and you can see there reasons for that. Be alot cheaper to get another dog and try again. As i say some folk wont do that and will persevre with there dog and give it a chance....i think this is when you can distinguish if people see there dogs as pets or workers....

 

I'm £28 per month on mine, and I completely understand the whole pets/workers scenario, but IMO that is a thin line, does it become just a worker when you can't afford the maintenance? Veedublees bitch could turn out cracking in the field but due to an injury that he is willing to spend time and money on that others wouldn't he's getting told to rehome? Before he's even tried her in the field? Vets can do more now for leg breaks than the old wooden spoon lanced to the leg trick, they reckon the bone heals stronger than ever when the bone fuses together, I agree with the it's a lemon get rid game but not the ooooyah thats gonna cost me game, if ye can't afford to run a dog ye shouldn't own one, as you've already said on your old boy, youd spend money on him, i know what I want to say but I can't put into words, long story short, whin it's not your way or the high way it's the way the owner sees fit to raise work or rid his own dogs,

 

well said ross----my first lurcher broke it's leg at 3 chasing a cat , whippet x greyhound, it cost me £595 at the dick vets 28 years ago , and she was still killing hares at 13, put her to sleep at 17, cos of a cancerous growth on her front leg, so veed look forward to your dog doing for YOU what YOU want it to do , take no heed of others opinions cos at the end of the day YOUR THE MAN who spent lots getting him right , good on you for doing that

[whin 463]

ye there hope for hope for his dog a break better than ligament damage had a bitch pinned never run [bANNED TEXT] again , i remember the great henrik larrson broke his leg he came back and i think he scored a few goals , most of the dogs ive had hurt were in there prime ,some never ran the same an dit cost agoo bit but thats running dogs , first time iv eheard pups so small breaking legs mate at a young age

[B.P.R 2,798]

cheers den, shes on the mend now and eager to go so hopefully once shes right she will do what i want her to.

 

dont think its anything to do with the dog, maybe shes just clumsy but her bones are sound. her left leg is the strongest out of the 2 back ones and thats the ones she broke badly. vet said the bone heals over and form extra bone strength. like i said, 1st break was a freak accident and the second was the dogs fault, being clumsy. her bones are sound. she gets the best i can giver her. shes just on 10minute walk a few times a day now for the next few week. slowly slowly

[fresh earth 47]

These posts baffle me at 7 months a dog should only be learning basics i bred this bitch and have the litter sister who as iv said over and over wont be doing anything other than meet stock and learn to walk to heal for at least another two months . Her mother is 5 and a half and has till this day never been lay up for anything other than toren pads . i Baught her as a 10 month old pet but knew the dogs she was down from and she didnt see anything till almost 14 months she now takes whatever she is pointed at works around stock jumps marks for fun works a net lamps and can move around a tight woodland with no quarrals. The whippet unlike a heavy boned collie x shouldfor no reason be started to early all it does is lead to injurys and yapping dogs as 9 out of 10 are started on quarry they are not ready to catch . I would give this bitch at the very least another couple of months before i started letting her run . By all means show her things and other dogs having runs on the lamp etc but after her injurys id give her to at least 12 months before getting to chase anything . Racing greyhound dont get to see nothing till there well over a year (properly reared ones anyway) and they know exactly what they are bred for its all a case of taking our time iv waisted more than my fair share down to starting them to early time is the essance. Never read the ins and outs but if one of my younger dogs was put out due to injury they would be speyed and rehomed as there would be little point in having a space used in a working kennel by a dog that would never make the grade . Thus said in lee's case its in the house and as much a pet as a working dog and she is clearly part of the family so is there for good . All i can say is take your time alot of folk go on about 6 month old pups and bags of rabbits but trust me iv been keeping these dogs since i was about 13 - 14 and yes when i was young i ran pups at 6 months but with experience you learn letting them mature and grow on prevents a hell of a lot of hastle .

[toffee 76]

pity that mate,no doubts she,ll be hungry as ever when ready...

[KittleRox 2,147]

These posts baffle me at 7 months a dog should only be learning basics i bred this bitch and have the litter sister who as iv said over and over wont be doing anything other than meet stock and learn to walk to heal for at least another two months . Her mother is 5 and a half and has till this day never been lay up for anything other than toren pads . i Baught her as a 10 month old pet but knew the dogs she was down from and she didnt see anything till almost 14 months she now takes whatever she is pointed at works around stock jumps marks for fun works a net lamps and can move around a tight woodland with no quarrals. The whippet unlike a heavy boned collie x shouldfor no reason be started to early all it does is lead to injurys and yapping dogs as 9 out of 10 are started on quarry they are not ready to catch . I would give this bitch at the very least another couple of months before i started letting her run . By all means show her things and other dogs having runs on the lamp etc but after her injurys id give her to at least 12 months before getting to chase anything . Racing greyhound dont get to see nothing till there well over a year (properly reared ones anyway) and they know exactly what they are bred for its all a case of taking our time iv waisted more than my fair share down to starting them to early time is the essance. Never read the ins and outs but if one of my younger dogs was put out due to injury they would be speyed and rehomed as there would be little point in having a space used in a working kennel by a dog that would never make the grade . Thus said in lee's case its in the house and as much a pet as a working dog and she is clearly part of the family so is there for good . All i can say is take your time alot of folk go on about 6 month old pups and bags of rabbits but trust me iv been keeping these dogs since i was about 13 - 14 and yes when i was young i ran pups at 6 months but with experience you learn letting them mature and grow on prevents a hell of a lot of hastle .

a few contradictions in that post

[B.P.R 2,798]

[fresh earth 47]

What contradictions ? when i said id give her at least a few months i meant before letting her loose of a leash with no other dogs etc then it would take at least another few to get her ready to run if she ever was ready to run .

 

Bottom line here is this there are to many idiots the now who think a dogs working life starts at 6 months old and the reality is it doesnt . People now rush in two feet first and end up with a dog thats no good for nothing. Time is and always has been the secret with dogs and somewhere along the line this has been pushed aside and its now comon practice to be running pups and expecting what they have seen and heard of mature dogs in there third season doing .

[B.P.R 2,798]

I didn't run the pup

Early mate. Had her out

Ferreting from day 1 and

She broke her leg when I was on holiday. Second was walking through woods.

 

I've got every confidence in the dog that she will recover fully and go on to run well. You've got

To have faith in the wee bitch, she's

Only young, full of fire a a hardy wee thing even though she's not much too look at

Edited December 15, 2011 by Veedublee