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i didnt relize that cockers and springers worked diffrently ive got a cocker bitch which is 6 and works at a 100 mile a hour she got 30 odd ftch in her make up and is a pleasure to watch hunt she works the thickest of bramble . now at the weekend i got a springer bitch 14 month old she been kept as apet and not rearly been walked so i thought i be takin on a head case what ive heard about em. well i get to the point this bitch is all ready comin to the whisle and workin cover well chuffed. four days of huntin with me others i notice that she sweeps the ground more slower then me cocker is this how they work or well she get quicker with time. and she only go in cover if there somethink in there were me cocker will go in and check it regaurdless

[Dave C 63]

There is different strains in both breeds mate and the Springer may speed up as its hunting confidence grows.

 

Well done in its training so far, you will have a machine by the end of the season.

 

ATB

Dave.

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There is different strains in both breeds mate and the Springer may speed up as its hunting confidence grows.

 

Well done in its training so far, you will have a machine by the end of the season.

 

ATB

Dave.

cheers dave for reply. out up the woods this morning with dogs ive been watchin the springer more hows she comin on with her sentin. her ole tail strated goin on over drive all of a sudden a rabbits gets up springer took after it the way run it ad a bit of mixy she catch it and retreved to hand.a little further i saw a cock bird runnin along the fence line i walked her to the aera put the cocker on a lead so i culd see how the springer be on her own she pick up the sent nose down and runnin were the cock bird runnin the bird was a good 100 yards in front she got right to it the bird lifted just as i went to blow the whistle for her to come back she did it automaticy and came straight back i prased her up and sent of with the cocker to carry on.. should i of use the whisle even tho she returned soon as the bird lifted

[Mooch. 177]

I'd prefer the dog to sit to flush so it can watch the flight of the bird and mark where it falls for a good seen retrieve. If the dog's already on it's way back to you then it's not concentrating on the bird and it will have to do a much harder blind retrieve.

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I'd prefer the dog to sit to flush so it can watch the flight of the bird and mark where it falls for a good seen retrieve. If the dog's already on it's way back to you then it's not concentrating on the bird and it will have to do a much harder blind retrieve.

this is the dogs sixth outen its been keep locked in a garden for last 10 months not hardly ever walked let alone sit when the bird flushes. it ever new what so much freedom is. im only watchin for her instints and work ablitly and for a dog to come out at 14months and out 6 times huntin i think she downin good ive only ad her a week so she come a long way in this sort time and the way ive been shootin with me ole catty they wont be lookin for fallin birds lol

[Mooch. 177]

Fair play to you mate, I'm not putting a downer on your achievements. Taking a 14 month old pet dog and getting it to return to you at all let alone while birds are flushing within a week is very impressive. In a shooting environment however, a sit to flush would be preferable. Something to work on perhaps.

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mooch i take all coments with the hope to learn a bit more im not a hard core gun dog man ive just got in to them. use to dig terriers and ad runnin dogs so all im doin is condistioning the dogs while i learn i love brushin so im half way there just let me dogs av more freedom hunt them a man carryin the gun and the bit were she follow the cock bird and flushed it and returned soon as it lifted was of her own doin so she could be a natral

[welshboy454 3]

mooch i take all coments with the hope to learn a bit more im not a hard core gun dog man ive just got in to them. use to dig terriers and ad runnin dogs so all im doin is condistioning the dogs while i learn i love brushin so im half way there just let me dogs av more freedom hunt them a man carryin the gun and the bit were she follow the cock bird and flushed it and returned soon as it lifted was of her own doin so she could be a natral

Sounds as if she is a natural- hunting well despite being new to the game.

At some stage you will need to get her to stop on the whistle when you can see she is on something- What that does is enable you to keep up with the dog and stay within range of the flush - Best of luck

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mooch i take all coments with the hope to learn a bit more im not a hard core gun dog man ive just got in to them. use to dig terriers and ad runnin dogs so all im doin is condistioning the dogs while i learn i love brushin so im half way there just let me dogs av more freedom hunt them a man carryin the gun and the bit were she follow the cock bird and flushed it and returned soon as it lifted was of her own doin so she could be a natral

Sounds as if she is a natural- hunting well despite being new to the game.

At some stage you will need to get her to stop on the whistle when you can see she is on something- What that does is enable you to keep up with the dog and stay within range of the flush - Best of luck

what would be best time to start and how do you make em stop to the whistle with a long lead please inlighten

[welshboy454 3]

I am no expert but have a read of this

http://dobbsdogs.com/library/retrievers/rj39.html

 

Once they understand the hup/sit command you can get them to associate whatever whistle command (eg long loud blast) means hup and the dog sits.

Then get the dog to sit for you to walk away say 20 yards turn and face the dog . Call it to you and give hand up hup whistle blast command when the dog is halfway back.You can vary the distance.

That way you have eye and body language contact with the dog at all times.

When this is firmly learned you can progress to stopping the dog while on a blind dummy retrieve for a direction command and finally when on scent. All little building blocks.

You might need your long line and a rabbit pen then ! Lots of dogs " lose it" on scent/sight but if the building blocks are in place it becomes easier to get them to understand. Best of luck.

I am sure there will be other much better trainers than me along with good advice.

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I am no expert but have a read of this

http://dobbsdogs.com...evers/rj39.html

 

Once they understand the hup/sit command you can get them to associate whatever whistle command (eg long loud blast) means hup and the dog sits.

Then get the dog to sit for you to walk away say 20 yards turn and face the dog . Call it to you and give hand up hup whistle blast command when the dog is halfway back.You can vary the distance.

That way you have eye and body language contact with the dog at all times.

When this is firmly learned you can progress to stopping the dog while on a blind dummy retrieve for a direction command and finally when on scent. All little building blocks.

You might need your long line and a rabbit pen then ! Lots of dogs " lose it" on scent/sight but if the building blocks are in place it becomes easier to get them to understand. Best of luck.

I am sure there will be other much better trainers than me along with good advice.

cheers for the info mate much apresiated