gurgling/ cold

[patterdalejoel 669]

i have got a asil/american cock which seems so gurgle, but only at certain times. when i lock him up at night its like hes drowning hes gurgling that much, but iin the morning and during the day hes fine. i dont want it spreading to the other birds, so whats an appropriate treatment or cure? thanks for any advice, joel

[DUCKWING 302]

SIMPLE FELLA ,

 

YOU HAVE MG / CRD ,

 

A DISEASE OF THE AIR TRACT ,.. AIR SACS , USUALLY COMES TO THE SURFACE WITH A SECONDARY INFECTION OR DUE TO STRESS

 

ANY OF THE RESPIRITORY ANTIBIOTICS , SUCH AS TYLIN , OXYTETRA ETC WILL WORK

 

GIVING AT LEAST A TEN DAY COURSE , 1/4 CC INTO THE BREAST

 

FOR WATER SOLUABLE , BAYTRIL ETC

 

CONSIDERING ALL THE SUPPOSED ASIAN EXPERTS ON HERE I WOULD HAVE THOUGHT YOU WOULD HAVE BEEN INUNDATED WITH ADVICE ...LOL

 

ALL THE BEST

 

DUCKWING

[Moll. 1,770]

Written by Tim Daniels

Taken from poultrykeeper.com

 

Mycoplasma Gallisepticum

 

 

 

Mycoplasma Gallisepticum causes respiratory problems - coughing and sneezing, nasal discharge and runny 'bubbly' eyes in poultry. There are various forms of Mycoplasma, all are opportunist organisms that multiply when the bird is struck with another malaise like Infectious Bronchitis or have a stress trigger. In most instances the infection in poultry is aggravated by respiratory problems and is commonly called "Chronic Respiratory Disease" or "CRD".

 

The stress trigger can be small such as moving birds to different housing or adding new birds, a change in diet, mites or even a sudden change in the weather. Some birds unfortunately die, some birds are only carriers and some birds are sick and recover but repeatedly have bouts of illness (not normally as bad as the first time though). As it can be carried by wild birds, it is a problem with birds that are allowed to free range as they can come into contact with it easily.

 

Can you test for Myco or IB?The only way to categorically prove there is Mycoplasma or Infectious Bronchitis in a bird is to have it euthenased and an immediate post mortem carried out to detect the presence of the organisms. There are only a few specialist poultry services that can carry out these tests. This proves that the bird has or doesn’t have IB or a form of Mycoplasma. It doesn’t prove all of your birds have it or which are carriers. The ones who never show signs of illness are usually the carriers.

 

The whole flock can appear to be well but if you get some new birds in or introduce some youngsters they can fall ill because the it is being carried in the flock. It normally only takes a few days for them to fall ill as it spreads from bird to bird very quickly and once you have it, it is impossible to completely get rid of it, unless you are prepared to destroy your birds and start again, sterilising housing and runs as you go and leaving them to rest for a few weeks before re-stocking with new Myco-free birds. The infectious agent survives for only a matter of days outside of the birds. Commercial operations operate an ‘all in, all out’ system to ensure they do not have problems.

 

 

 

Vaccination

You can vaccinate the birds when they are young (Intervet now have a Mycoplasma vaccine) but it is expensive as it is only sold in doses for 1000 birds. What’s more, once you open it, it won’t keep and chicks have to be treated at a certain age so you end up needing fresh vaccine for every hatch which makes vaccination fairly costly unless you have large quantities of birds hatch at a time. The vaccine is given to the birds by very fine spray so they can breathe it in. The sprayer is a specialist piece of equipment and it isn’t possible to simply use a greenhouse hand sprayer or similar.

 

Symptoms

In many instances Mycoplasma Gallisepticum infection in poultry is aggravated by respiratory colibacillosis and the complex is designated "Chronic Respiratory Disease" The most common indicators are the gooey stuck together eyes or runny eyes. Runny nasal pasages. Sneezing, coughing, wheezing and rattley breathing that can be described as “Darth Vader” breathing.

 

 

 

As the infection gets worse, a blue comb and wattles indicate it is severely compromising the bird’s respiratory system and the bird isn’t getting enough oxygen in to its tissues. There is a real risk of them dieing at this point quite suddenly.

 

 

 

 

Stress in birds is the biggest trigger for bouts of Myco or IB, changes in weather, home, new birds, lack of water, poor diet etc. cause stress so its best to avoid causing any unnecessary stress in your birds.

 

Treatment.

The most common treatment for Mycoplasma that a vet will prescribe is a broad spectrum antibiotic given for 3 to 5 days. Tylan or Baytril are the most common. It is necessary to start treating them as soon as you notice the problem to have a good chance of pulling them through. Most of the antibiotics prescribed are soluble in water but I have read of injections being more effective. Tylan 200 is apparently an injectable form. In the UK these antibiotics are only available from a Vet so you’ve got to consider the cost of a consultation as well as the medication cost. Remember it is possible to get a prescription from a vet and then buy the medication on line if you feel the vet is marking the medication up too much, but many vets are more than reasonable and will even sell a smaller quantity out of a large pot so you don't have to buy the whole pot that has a sell by date on it.

 

Natural Remedies

I believe in using natural remedies as well as veterinary medication. The biggest help to my flock is a strong immune system so that they can fight the disease off themselves. Garlic is particularly good for respiratory problems and cheap in comparison to antibiotics. I routinely crush garlic into my own bird’s water and find it to be very effective at boosting their immune systems. Apple Cider Vinegar or ACV is also very effective at helping birds that show non-typical disease symptoms of poor growth as well as birds suffering from respiratory diseases that produce a large amount of mucus. ACV solution helps to ‘cut through’ the mucus to allow it to be expelled easier. Mix 2% ACV with water that has 2 or 3 crushed garlic cloves per litre mixed with it. The tannin in the ACV aides the removal of any mucus or coating from the mouth, throat, or intestinal tract. This helps nutrients and drugs to be more readily absorbed. During times of illness, I offer this solution as the only drinking water source for a week, then offer the garlic water after that until the bird is fit and well. I routinely give my birds ACV for one week a month (the first week of the month so that I remember!) One word of caution though about ACV – The cheap 79p ACV in the supermarket is processed, the ACV that you need is the natural one found in horse shops or sometimes good health food shops. Expect to pay £6 or so for a litre.

 

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Mycoplasma gallisepticum infection, M.g., Chronic Respiratory Disease - Chickens

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* Nobilis MG 6/85

 

 

Extracted From:

A Pocket Guide to

Poultry Health

and

Disease

 

Infection with Mycoplasma gallisepticum is associated with slow onset, chronic respiratory disease in chickens, turkeys, game birds, pigeons and other wild birds. Ducks and geese can become infected when held with infected chickens. In turkeys it is most associated with severe sinusitis (see separate description in the turkey section). The condition occurs worldwide, though in some countries this infection is now rare in commercial poultry. In others it is actually increasing because of more birds in extensive production systems that expose them more to wild birds.

 

In adult birds, though infection rates are high, morbidity may be minimal and mortality varies.

 

The route of infection is via the conjunctiva or upper respiratory tract with an incubation period of 6-10 days. Transmission may be transovarian, or by direct contact with birds, exudates, aerosols, airborne dust and feathers, and to a lesser extent fomites. Spread is slow between houses and pens suggesting that aerosols are not normally a major route of transmission. Fomites appear to a significant factor in transmission between farms. Recovered birds remain infected for life; subsequent stress may cause recurrence of disease.

 

The infectious agent survives for only a matter of days outwith birds although prolonged survival has been reported in egg yolk and allantoic fluid, and in lyophilised material. Survival seems to be improved on hair and feathers. Intercurrent infection with respiratory viruses (IB, ND, ART), virulent E. coli, Pasteurella spp. Haemophilus, and inadequate environmental conditions are predisposing factors for clinical disease.

Signs

 

* Coughing.

* Nasal and ocular discharge.

* Poor productivity.

* Slow growth.

* Leg problems.

* Stunting.

* Inappetance.

* Reduced hatchability and chick viability.

* Occasional encephalopathy and abnormal feathers.

 

Post-mortem lesions

 

* Airsacculitis.

* Pericarditis.

* Perihepatitis (especially with secondary E. coli infection).

* Catarrhal inflammation of nasal passages, sinuses, trachea and bronchi.

* Occasionally arthritis, tenosynovitis and salpingitis in chickens.

 

Diagnosis

 

Lesions, serology, isolation and identification of organism, demonstration of specific DNA (commercial PCR kit available). Culture requires inoculation in mycoplasma-free embryos or, more commonly in Mycoplasma Broth followed by plating out on Mycoplasma Agar. Suspect colonies may be identified by immuno-flourescence.

 

Serology: serum agglutination is the standard screening test, suspect reactions are examined further by heat inactivation and/or dilution. Elisa is accepted as the primary screening test in some countries. HI may be used, generally as a confirmatory test. Suspect flocks should be re-sampled after 2-3 weeks. Some inactivated vaccines for other diseases induce 'false positives' in serological testing for 3-8 weeks. PCR is possible if it is urgent to determine the flock status.

 

Differentiate from Infectious Coryza, Aspergillosis, viral respiratory diseases, vitamin A deficiency, other Mycoplasma infections such as M. synoviae and M. meleagridis (turkeys).

Treatment

 

Tilmicosin, tylosin, spiramycin, tetracyclines, fluoroquinolones. Effort should be made to reduce dust and secondary infections.

Prevention

 

Eradication of this infection has been the central objective of official poultry health programmes in most countries, therefore M.g. infection status is important for trade in birds, hatchingeggs and chicks. These programmes are based on purchase of uninfected chicks, all-in/all-out production, biosecurity, and routine serological monitoring. In some circumstances preventative medication of known infected flocks may be of benefit.

 

Live attenuated or naturally mild strains are used in some countries and may be helpful in gradually displacing field strains on multi-age sites. Productivity in challenged and vaccinated birds is not as good as in M.g.-free stock.

[DUCKWING 302]

I AGREE WITH MOST OF THAT MOLL .........

 

BUT 3 TO 5 DAYS OF MEDS IS REALLY A JOKE , IT DOESNT WORK UNLESS FOUND QUICKLY

 

IAM A BIG FAN OF GARLIC AND A,C.V. .............

 

THOUGH USE OTHER MORE EFFECTIVE ADDITIVES ADDED TO THE WATER AT CERTAIN TIMES OF THE YEAR TO GREAT EFFECT

 

ALL THE BEST

 

 

DUCKWING

[slips 114]

  On 04/12/2011 at 18:14, patterdalejoel said:

i have got a asil/american cock which seems so gurgle, but only at certain times. when i lock him up at night its like hes drowning hes gurgling that much, but iin the morning and during the day hes fine. i dont want it spreading to the other birds, so whats an appropriate treatment or cure? thanks for any advice, joel

denagard 12.5% tiamulin in water or baytril 10%injectable or tyland ive used antis what the doctor order for chest infection done the job try and keep him warm

[DUCKWING 302]

DENAGARD .......... IS MORE OF A PREVENTATIVE AND LONG TERM MEDICATION RATHER THAN A TREATMENT

 

A FEW LADS I KNOW HAD NO SUCESS WITH THIS PRODUCT OTHER THAN USING BEFORE OR AFTER A SHOW TO PREVENT CONTAMINATION

 

DUCKWING

[slips 114]

thats nice to no duckwing the fella i get me bits off i aksed him for tyland to add to water when he contacted the vet the vet told him that denagard was the best to use so i said the vet nos best go for that.but lookin at the name its saids it denaGARD but i must say i add a coulple with the rattles and two days they was sorted so it looks like i better get some tyland/baytril for the water.

[jo54 255]

agree with most of this i find it very hard to get rid of from time to time i dont get it much which is a bonus

[DUCKWING 302]

  On 04/12/2011 at 20:56, slips said:

thats nice to no duckwing the fella i get me bits off i aksed him for tyland to add to water when he contacted the vet the vet told him that denagard was the best to use so i said the vet nos best go for that.but lookin at the name its saids it denaGARD but i must say i add a coulple with the rattles and two days they was sorted so it looks like i better get some tyland/baytril for the water.

 

YES SLIPS ,

 

 

BUT DID YOU CURE THE SECONDARY INFECTION OR THE CRD ? WITH THE DENAGARD

 

DUCKWING

[WANNABE ROOKIE 8]

I love Xmas.

Edited December 26, 2011 by WANNABE ROOKIE

[DUCKWING 302]

WOULDNT WANT TO ARGUE WITH YOU THERE FELLA .............

 

AFTER ALL .............

 

I DONT KNOW ONE MAN AT THE TOP OF THE TREE IN ALL THE DAYS I SPENT IN THE POULTRY GAME THAT HAWKED THEIR BIRDS ........... NEVERMIND ON THE INTERNET

 

THANK THE LORD IAM ONLY A ROLLER MAN THESE DAYS

 

ALL THE BEST

 

DUCKWING

[WANNABE ROOKIE 8]

I love Xmas.

Edited December 26, 2011 by WANNABE ROOKIE

[slips 114]

  On 04/12/2011 at 21:53, DUCKWING said:

  On 04/12/2011 at 20:56, slips said:

thats nice to no duckwing the fella i get me bits off i aksed him for tyland to add to water when he contacted the vet the vet told him that denagard was the best to use so i said the vet nos best go for that.but lookin at the name its saids it denaGARD but i must say i add a coulple with the rattles and two days they was sorted so it looks like i better get some tyland/baytril for the water.

 

YES SLIPS ,

 

 

BUT DID YOU CURE THE SECONDARY INFECTION OR THE CRD ? WITH THE DENAGARD

 

DUCKWING

spoke to the lad i gave the shamo to hes recons the birds brand new no rattles no snots so time will tell.and yes the roller boys will scratch your eyes out and handbags at dawn and thats from a top roller man him self R.S.the best in the game

[jo54 255]

stick to you rats with wings duckwing and stop bitching at lads on every f*****g post ffs ........................................................

[burnie69 376]

Vetmulim is a very good antibiotic for respiratory problems i wouldn't use baytril only as a last resort .Denagard is very overated imho theres 2 forms we use 1 in the food for stress and 2 liquid base.I got a friend some liquid base denagard earlier in the year who was suffering from crd and it didn't touch it.Denagard got well know after emtrill got taken off the shelf but is no where in the same league as it. Most of the time diseases can be prevented by good husbandary and in most cases prevention is better then cure.

 

Edited to say: I'm not stating anyone with disease is a bad keeper of birds.