Glucosimine and Crondroitin

[GAMEDOG 106]

About two year ago my Springer Spanians legs started to go,i starting giving her this and swear its put two years on her life?I'd recommend it to everyone.

[gnipper 6,523]

I got some for my cousins old lab and they didn't half make a difference too

[gnasher16 30,281]

Bollocks to dogs ive been taking them myself for years

If you,ve had any kind of joint injury or arthritis in any way they,ll help.......my hands have been f****d for years it certainly makes a difference on those cold winter mornings you can even get them with cod liver oil in as well now.....good old Holland & Barrett !

[sandymere 8,263]

The placebo effect is a wonderful thing.

see link for more info..... http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/index.php/the-top-ten-pet-supplements-do-they-work/#more-12582

[dodger 2,765]

About two year ago my Springer Spanians legs started to go,i starting giving her this and swear its put two years on her life?I'd recommend it to everyone.

Its good stuff i use it on a dog that damaged his stifle along with good rest n it seems to have sorted it out he's been back in work for a bit now with no problem so far

[gnasher16 30,281]

The placebo effect is a wonderful thing.

 

That old chestnut........it go,s hand in hand with ....." i dont need a weatherman to tell me its raining,i can look out the window and check for myself ".....

 

If you get benefit from something use it....if you dont...................dont......either way your own body is often a better indicator than scientific evidence.

Edited December 5, 2011 by gnasher16

[Sirius 1,391]

Yes it works very well and ideal as a supplement to help mobility.

There is lots on the market and much of it is low quality for dog you always want to use the hydrochloride (HCL) Glucosamine for best results

Edited December 5, 2011 by Sirius

[Mooch. 177]

The placebo effect is a wonderful thing.

I didn't know placebos worked on dogs too.

[skycat 6,173]

I think Sandy means its like Munchausen's by proxy but the other way round, if you see what I mean. That we think it will work on the dog, so we think we see a difference in the dog, even though it moves just the same as before. Funny that the dog doesn't know all this though, and it really does feel better, moves with less pain and therefore works better and catches more. I really must get find a way of communicating with my dog and find out exactly how it feels, though I guess any form of telepathy would be sneered at by scientists and put down to delusional thoughts on my part :laugh:

[gnasher16 30,281]

I think Sandy means its like Munchausen's by proxy but the other way round, if you see what I mean. That we think it will work on the dog, so we think we see a difference in the dog, even though it moves just the same as before. Funny that the dog doesn't know all this though, and it really does feel better, moves with less pain and therefore works better and catches more. I really must get find a way of communicating with my dog and find out exactly how it feels, though I guess any form of telepathy would be sneered at by scientists and put down to delusional thoughts on my part :laugh:

 

What he/she meant was there are many supplements in the sporting world that are taken totally without evidence of any actual physical benefit.........the person takes them and believes in their own mind they are experiencing benefit when in reality their is no actual physical benefit whatsoever.............its a big debate in the supplement world.....hence my belief is if you treat a supplement as a supplement and not an essential..............what possible harm can it do either way.....again,i dont need a weatherman to tell me when its raining

[sandymere 8,263]

Unfortunately Gnasher there is a growing body of evidence that supplements may well be doing harm. Probably something about this on the web site I linked to if you’re interested. In the case of these particular chemicals there are found normally as part of the dogs diet so if the dog has a good diet it already has all it needs, you can only fill a cup to the top. Organic food, supplements and the like, a tax on the gullible? Science doesn’t know it all Skycat but when interventions don't stand up to simple comparative testing them they don't work. This is a small example of a big problem denial of common sense leads to some bloody awful things.

http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2011/11/the-false-hope-of-the-burzynski-clinic.html

http://bioworld.blogs.bioworld.com/2011/12/05/burzynski-institute-patient-exploitation-in-the-name-of-research/ http://www.badscience.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=26647

Edited December 6, 2011 by sandymere

[lee 99]

first you said porta mags dont work . now your saying Glucosamine dont work... you speaking from experience or just what youv gleemed off the net ...

your deffo wrong on both accounts me ol fruit ... the proof of the puddings in the eating................

Edited December 6, 2011 by lee

[leegreen 2,193]

I have been taking Glucosamine for a month or so can't say I have noticed any benefit yet apart from the dent in my wallet. I done a bit of research and there is a lot of scepticisme about it. I also take cod liver oil which I think works, it has at least expanded my vocabulary yc.

[Gunner123 103]

Mr Copy and paste at it again, experience experience experience , did i mention experience ?

[sandymere 8,263]

Lee ,Gunner and Sirius, strange I've never seen a porta mag in a hospital, would have expected if it was so effective they would be common place. I hear that carrying a dog across a stone circle cures many things as well but alas I remain ever the skeptic. When a treatment has been tested on thousands and failed to show benefit, as with glucosamine etc, one must treat individual anecdote with suspicion, after a what’s the value of thousands compared to your personal experience. Many swear by homeopathy citing the benefits the sugar pills bring, a cure many swear by, others that they have been abducted by aliens and tell of their experiences but alas we are but fallible creatures and often follow connections that bring false conclusions. We wear a red hat and our cold goes away!!!!! But the red hat wasn't the cure. We bury a toad and our warts go away alas it wasn't the poor toad. Just because a dog became less lame doesn't mean the tablet brought about a cure rather that most arthritis type symptoms come and go in a cyclical rhythm. if a dog is very bad it may well have an injury on top of the arthritis, we begin the magic treatment and the dog improves but of course most injuries will improve by themselves but the magic gets the credit, just human nature we have evolved to see patterns and in our complicated world these often lead us to the wrong conclusion. Testing by simple comparison is a way to check our perceptions, not rocket science just common sense really.

The little quacks start the rot and as the cancer cone shows that can lead to terrible things.

That’s from experience.

Leegreen Cod liver oil may well have some benefits as the link explains, especially for skin.

For those that would like a pharmacists view look here.

http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/index.php/collagen-an-implausible-supplement-for-joint-pain/#more-17508

Edited December 7, 2011 by sandymere