TOOL OR WORKING COMPANION

[flinn 47]

  On 02/12/2011 at 13:41, yeeharr said:

I got my first longdog when I was 17. He was a 1st cross deerhound greyhound. A travelling boy gave me him because he'd jacked on a hare the day before and he was "only fit for a bullet!". The dog was 11 months old. He was full of mange and you could see his vertebrae through what was left of his coat. I fed him up, got rid of the mange and took him out with me everyday with catapult or airgun. When he was full grown he was 30" TTS and weighed 100lbs. He caught a fair few bunnies, but on the tighter ground of Mitcham Common never really had a chance to get into his full stride. He never had the stamina for hares, he'd been hammered too young. What he did excel at was bigger stuff. We would course foxes all over South London and Surrey. In parks, recreation grounds, school playing fields, industrial estate car parks, the sewerage works. He always ran single handed and caught and killed loads. These were the days before the internet, when all we had was The Shooting News (now The Countrymans Weekly), I knew only what I read in books, a couple of old boys taught me and what I learnt for myself. Was my dog exceptional? Nope. Did he exceed everyones expectations? Yes he did.

If people give dogs a chance they could be surprised by what the dog does. If someone hasn't got the skill or experience to get the best out of a dog then maybe they should look at themselves and not the dog. How many dogs are up for sale or rehoming from 6 months old and onwards? Loads. Because the dogs are no good or because the owners can't get the best out of them or have caused faults in the dog?

 

Very well said mate, the problem these days is that some people want a dog thats a machine they dont want to put the time and effort into the dog give it a chance, they want instant rewards in which if the dog fails at the first few hurdles its passed on because it dosent match the size of there ego.

[yeeharr 41]

  On 02/12/2011 at 13:53, hedz31 said:

  On 02/12/2011 at 13:46, yeeharr said:

  On 02/12/2011 at 13:27, hedz31 said:

  On 02/12/2011 at 13:17, yeeharr said:

How much time have you put into the dog? Why did it jack? How long have you had it? Will it be up for sale now because it hasn't met your expectations?

I put plenty time into it ,it jacked because it was a wanker and no its joined the rest of the wankers that havent made my expectations in jacker heaven

 

What breed of terrier? How old was it?

Whats breed gotta do with it and was old enough and not its first outing

 

Here's where you show yourself up a bit, breeds got plenty to do with it. Not all terriers get going at the same age. What if it was a Border at a year old? Would it not be different from a Lakie at a year or a Patterdale?

 

So what breed and what age?

[hedz31 1,308]

  On 02/12/2011 at 13:53, DEERMAN said:

  On 02/12/2011 at 11:59, hedz31 said:

Tools the lads i go out with are working companions, if ye start loving a dog and treating it like ye best mate ye make excuses for faults and the dogs lack of skill or progress next thing ye know ye are stuck with a wanker in ye kennels ye have to feed for the next 10-15 years

your a ruthless b*****d

I am not

[paulus 26]

in a strange way every working dog has to be classed as a tool due to the very nature of what we want them to do, be that coursing above ground or working underground. if we treat them with respect and see to there physical needs they will always want to please, provided we have done everything to give the dog every chance to sucseed in its working life then thats all we can do, if the dog then fails to meet our expectations then then we can say with confidence is jacked. there can be no other explanation. that would leave only one option but to dispose of and start all over again. I dont believe for a minute that people who own half decent dogs dont have any feelings for them.

[hedz31 1,308]

  On 02/12/2011 at 14:02, yeeharr said:

  On 02/12/2011 at 13:53, hedz31 said:

  On 02/12/2011 at 13:46, yeeharr said:

  On 02/12/2011 at 13:27, hedz31 said:

  On 02/12/2011 at 13:17, yeeharr said:

How much time have you put into the dog? Why did it jack? How long have you had it? Will it be up for sale now because it hasn't met your expectations?

I put plenty time into it ,it jacked because it was a wanker and no its joined the rest of the wankers that havent made my expectations in jacker heaven

 

What breed of terrier? How old was it?

Whats breed gotta do with it and was old enough and not its first outing

 

Here's where you show yourself up a bit, breeds got plenty to do with it. Not all terriers get going at the same age. What if it was a Border at a year old? Would it not be different from a Lakie at a year or a Patterdale?

 

So what breed and what age?

Well heres where ye show yourself up abit there mine mate my own line ive had for quite some time ive entered and bred the same dogs over 2 decades so i know very well there qualitys tempraments and when there ready and when there not seen as there a very tight line and they are like peas in a pod i am quite capable of judging but thanks for ye advice fella

[hedz31 1,308]

  On 02/12/2011 at 14:02, yeeharr said:

  On 02/12/2011 at 13:53, hedz31 said:

  On 02/12/2011 at 13:46, yeeharr said:

  On 02/12/2011 at 13:27, hedz31 said:

  On 02/12/2011 at 13:17, yeeharr said:

How much time have you put into the dog? Why did it jack? How long have you had it? Will it be up for sale now because it hasn't met your expectations?

I put plenty time into it ,it jacked because it was a wanker and no its joined the rest of the wankers that havent made my expectations in jacker heaven

 

What breed of terrier? How old was it?

Whats breed gotta do with it and was old enough and not its first outing

 

Here's where you show yourself up a bit, breeds got plenty to do with it. Not all terriers get going at the same age. What if it was a Border at a year old? Would it not be different from a Lakie at a year or a Patterdale?

 

So what breed and what age?

So stop reading things out of books and taking it as gospel otherwise ye will make yourself look a tit

[Guest cookiemonsterandmerlin]

So if we treated the owners in the same way as they regard there dogs alot members would have jacked in there lifes like if there unemployed say for instance so should they be knocked on the head for failling in life .

 

Dont forgot most faults trates lie with the owners mistakes so if it jacks then be sure it propley your fault not the dogs.

 

And for the 25 guest all probley ANTIS most hunting folk dont treat there dogs like some of the comments on here .

Yes tool of our work but treated with respect kindness and for some love .

 

Cheers Cookie

[yeeharr 41]

That must be terrible mate, to have your own line that is very tight and you know so well and yet it throws out wankers. Are they all wankers? being that they're peas in a pod. Maybe you want to loosen your line up a bit and get some fresh blood in there, something with a bit of gameness about it. Let me know I can probably help you out.

[Guest cookiemonsterandmerlin]

  On 02/12/2011 at 14:21, yeeharr said:

That must be terrible mate, to have your own line that is very tight and you know so well and yet it throws out wankers. Are they all wankers? being that they're peas in a pod. Maybe you want to loosen your line up a bit and get some fresh blood in there, something with a bit of gameness about it. Let me know I can probably help you out.

Dont think its the dog breeding line we should be worried about I think his is in question.

 

Cookie

[yeeharr 41]

  On 02/12/2011 at 14:16, hedz31 said:

  On 02/12/2011 at 14:02, yeeharr said:

  On 02/12/2011 at 13:53, hedz31 said:

  On 02/12/2011 at 13:46, yeeharr said:

  On 02/12/2011 at 13:27, hedz31 said:

  On 02/12/2011 at 13:17, yeeharr said:

How much time have you put into the dog? Why did it jack? How long have you had it? Will it be up for sale now because it hasn't met your expectations?

I put plenty time into it ,it jacked because it was a wanker and no its joined the rest of the wankers that havent made my expectations in jacker heaven

 

What breed of terrier? How old was it?

Whats breed gotta do with it and was old enough and not its first outing

 

Here's where you show yourself up a bit, breeds got plenty to do with it. Not all terriers get going at the same age. What if it was a Border at a year old? Would it not be different from a Lakie at a year or a Patterdale?

 

So what breed and what age?

So stop reading things out of books and taking it as gospel otherwise ye will make yourself look a tit

 

I can read and spell. I only take the bible as Gospel, though.

 

I've had all 3 breeds so maybe I know a bit from first hand experience.

[paulus 26]

  On 02/12/2011 at 14:20, cookiemonsterandmerlin said:

So if we treated the owners in the same way as they regard there dogs alot members would have jacked in there lifes like if there unemployed say for instance so should they be knocked on the head for failling in life .

 

Dont forgot most faults trates lie with the owners mistakes so if it jacks then be sure it propley your fault not the dogs.

 

And for the 25 guest all probley ANTIS most hunting folk dont treat there dogs like some of the comments on here .

Yes tool of our work but treated with respect kindness and for some love .

 

Cheers Cookie

the term jacked becomes a grey area with lurchers due to the varied roles there involved in, one mans jacker could well be another mans wonder dog, but personally if the dogs been brought up and entered properly and then fails in what i want it to do then its jacked pure and simple.

[yeeharr 41]

Anyway, I'll ask again......................how old and what breed was this terrier that you just killed for jacking?

[Sirius 1,391]

  On 02/12/2011 at 13:40, hedz31 said:

  On 02/12/2011 at 13:35, Sirius said:

  On 02/12/2011 at 13:15, hedz31 said:

  On 02/12/2011 at 13:06, yeeharr said:

You'll never get the best out of a dog without putting love into it.

Feck off fella i had a terrier jack on me a few weeks ago,silly me all i had to do was love the little b*****d and it would of stayed instead of waving the white flag with its tail tucked up its arse

 

Sorry Hedz but I dont think you cancompare a earth dog to a lurcher, as there is a heap more training envolved which needs a bond.

Same principle mate all the love in the world aint gonna make a dog if its a wanker ive had a few lurchers jack on me and not make the grade if a dog aint got the heart or what it takes ye can love a dog and marry the fecker if ye like it aint gonna make it is it

 

I understand and you right if it fails to you standard it fails and nothing will change that.

But you need more of a bond with a lurcher than a terrier and from that bond you get more from a lurcher ie: one that will Kill, carry, mark and jump and turn its hand to all sorts quarry and jobs.

 

But as the addage goes "you cant polish a turd, but its easy to roll them in glitter" :laugh:

[hedz31 1,308]

  On 02/12/2011 at 14:21, yeeharr said:

That must be terrible mate, to have your own line that is very tight and you know so well and yet it throws out wankers. Are they all wankers? being that they're peas in a pod. Maybe you want to loosen your line up a bit and get some fresh blood in there, something with a bit of gameness about it. Let me know I can probably help you out.

Yes mate i get wankers sadly i havent percected litter wasteage and gameness in there youth is sadly a fault in the line i dislike and thanks for ye offer i have contemplated an outcross for over a year now due to the line being rather tight phisicaly they are starting to lack in some areas bthink i know where i am going for fresh blood but once again thanks for ye offer

[hedz31 1,308]

  On 02/12/2011 at 14:22, cookiemonsterandmerlin said:

  On 02/12/2011 at 14:21, yeeharr said:

That must be terrible mate, to have your own line that is very tight and you know so well and yet it throws out wankers. Are they all wankers? being that they're peas in a pod. Maybe you want to loosen your line up a bit and get some fresh blood in there, something with a bit of gameness about it. Let me know I can probably help you out.

Dont think its the dog breeding line we should be worried about I think his is in question.

 

Cookie

Maybe so ill let ye worry about that