Running dog 'cramps'

[Millet 4,497]

Been reading stuff on the respiratory system and a lot of sympton's pop up similar to his..did he do any coughing on the night with woodga..because he did on a long run a couple of week's back...

I cant get my head round what ive been reading to explain but look at page 56 in the big brown book..

Edited to add Hormone's are mentioned in what i have read.

[Moll. 1,770]

Been reading stuff on the respiratory system and a lot of sympton's pop up similar to his..did he do any coughing on the night with woodga..because he did on a long run a couple of week's back...

I cant get my head round what ive been reading to explain but look at page 56 in the big brown book..

Edited to add Hormone's are mentioned in what i have read.

Send me a link!

[whin 463]

• alot of dogs run if ran hard on long chases its strainig of lungs but they recover , some get fur in there mouth before the ban roe hare hares fur would get in there mouth a bit and they would howk it up , if a dogs chocking after a few hard runs beter put on leash and give him a rest ,ive lern tthe hard way but best at times ,hpe you dogs fine moll get him running fit then try him again
  

[Good Man 196]

Running dogs need plenty fats in there diet for hard work.

Its a must, feed on aussie foemular or gain record.

add beef with plenty fat on

bit of veg and as some one has said a pre hunting meal 8-10 hours before going out.

Raw eggs , be careful , especialy with pups for samonella.

Boil a kettle , pour boiling water into large cup , crack in a couple of eggs, leave em for 2 mins then tip full contents of cup over bait.

Feed a half or small chopped banana with a little greyhound biscut and sardines w.ith maybe a knob of beef dripping strait off block for pre race meal.

White E , Teaspoon full over bait daily when in hard work.

Greyhound Electrolites will help.

Rugg up well and keep em well warm for 48 hours after a hard shift to stop acidosis or the screws.

Plenty FATS boys and girls.

I had him on quite high protein (Eukanuba performance 30%) but stopped that several months ago Max, replaced with lower levels 18-20%

Of late he gets mainly tripe minced with beef/oily fish/chicken. Lamb bones (Not daily) had Recharge mixed with his meal about 7hrs prior to work....the eggs are my own, from my own hens, but i will do as you suggested

He also gets tinned food occasionally, cooked food with wholegrain pasta.

I'll def look into getting some dripping, thank you for you imput

 

Drop the tinned food moll, no goodness whatsoever in there.

Choose a biscut as a base, as i say Australian Formuler or Gain 28% will do.

Add ya beef, chicken, rabbitts, fats , White E , Beef Dripping and have them fit and a warm dry kennel and they will be ok.

 

[Moll. 1,770]

Running dogs need plenty fats in there diet for hard work.

Its a must, feed on aussie foemular or gain record.

add beef with plenty fat on

bit of veg and as some one has said a pre hunting meal 8-10 hours before going out.

Raw eggs , be careful , especialy with pups for samonella.

Boil a kettle , pour boiling water into large cup , crack in a couple of eggs, leave em for 2 mins then tip full contents of cup over bait.

Feed a half or small chopped banana with a little greyhound biscut and sardines w.ith maybe a knob of beef dripping strait off block for pre race meal.

White E , Teaspoon full over bait daily when in hard work.

Greyhound Electrolites will help.

Rugg up well and keep em well warm for 48 hours after a hard shift to stop acidosis or the screws.

Plenty FATS boys and girls.

I had him on quite high protein (Eukanuba performance 30%) but stopped that several months ago Max, replaced with lower levels 18-20%

Of late he gets mainly tripe minced with beef/oily fish/chicken. Lamb bones (Not daily) had Recharge mixed with his meal about 7hrs prior to work....the eggs are my own, from my own hens, but i will do as you suggested

He also gets tinned food occasionally, cooked food with wholegrain pasta.

I'll def look into getting some dripping, thank you for you imput

 

Drop the tinned food moll, no goodness whatsoever in there.

Choose a biscut as a base, as i say Australian Formuler or Gain 28% will do.

Add ya beef, chicken, rabbitts, fats , White E , Beef Dripping and have them fit and a warm dry kennel and they will be ok.

 

Thank yet again Max

The tinned is really just emergency food for when i forget to defrost. And they get complete mixed in with it....just 3 small tins of tinned between 5 dogs.

I was advised to keep his protein lower for a while (Too much and too complicated to try to explain in type) so he is just on Dr Johns (I know, i know ) and redmills tracker at the mo.

[Moll. 1,770]

 

This is probably the fittest i have had him, so i dont think it is down to fitness etc.

[Moll. 1,770]

[mattydski 560]

Looks stunning Von...

[riohog 5,708]

 

This is probably the fittest i have had him, so i dont think it is down to fitness etc.

like i said before moll heavly muscled dogs will /can suffer with cramps ect lactic acid build up and the cold conditions dog looks well btw needs alot of muscle to move that mass of body .. .anyway i think maybe just very cold that night and with the running then getting cold chill it was shock he will be fine

[lurchergrrl 1,441]

 

He's looking mighty fine Moll

[ROBERTO M 350]

^{Moll , he isnt a heavy muscled dog for what he is , infact he is rather racey id say , with the on going problems you cant feed him high protien foods as you know , iv had dogs of there feet before coursing and lamping and iv never known it to take so long to recover ??????? normally around in 5minutes , or not much more , it sound to me as if he has had some sort of fit , i had a terrier years ago that used to take them for no reason , she had the same symtoms as what rudy had , but its all guess work from everyone , the urine sample may show something , did you no that you can pay more indepth blood test , its much better but you have to ask for it , ill bell you tomorrow}

[Moll. 1,770]

^{Moll , he isnt a heavy muscled dog for what he is , infact he is rather racey id say , with the on going problems you cant feed him high protien foods as you know , iv had dogs of there feet before coursing and lamping and iv never known it to take so long to recover ??????? normally around in 5minutes , or not much more , it sound to me as if he has had some sort of fit , i had a terrier years ago that used to take them for no reason , she had the same symtoms as what rudy had , but its all guess work from everyone , the urine sample may show something , did you no that you can pay more indepth blood test , its much better but you have to ask for it , ill bell you tomorrow}

 

Thank you Robbie, he is racey for his 'x' photos just seem to make him look bigger.

Had him out tonight chasing his fav (On vets orders), as you know the wee thing usually happens after that. Have to get a urine sample taken in, in the morning. After they have tested that, then other things will be looked at, MRI perhaps? He had a more complex blood scope last time, it came back normal. I asked the vet abour EEG tests, she said you dont get them for dogs?? So if it is a siezure i wont know unless it happens again.

Speak soon.x.

[chook1 184]

You can get an EEG done on dogs, but you would probably need a specalist to do it,

having said that its said EEG is not realy usefull to dectect epilepsy.

 

EEG is rarely useful. Absolute confirmation of the epileptic nature can only be obtained by observing simultaneously the characteristic EEG changes and physical manifestation of the seizures. The incidence of abnormal EEG in dogs with idiopathic epilepsy in the interictal period is low. EEG recording can help to detect structural brain disease. Apart from rare cases (such as hydrocephalus), the specificity of such findings is low.

 

 

You could always try contacting one of the Veterinary neurologists - to see if they could come up with anything.

 

http://www.canineepilepsy.co.uk/VetRecource/Neuro_special.htm

Edited December 2, 2011 by chook1

[Guest vin]

I would say he went hypo.. but had enough glucose to sort himself out eventually.. He was not as fit as you thought on that particular night and with the mix of weather and runs he used up all his reserves..He looks very lean.Get him on higher protein diet and on a night like the last one give him a feed 6 hours before his shift starts.(I know trigger said this) .

I have watched the same thing in my own dog. So when i got home I went all over google investigating.. Theres more than a few good dog men lost a dog this way especially at night when you can't always see how well your dog is actually doing... I now know how to judge when my dog is ready to stop,because the dog doe'snt !

My dog was fitting like yours and i managed to get her to a vet..buy some hypostop off ebay and you,ll be ok..I will hazard a guess that all the tests come back with nothing unusual.. except a large bill.

Sometimes its hard to believe that our dogs is not as fit as we think..

PS..Moll please don't think im having a go at you,I know you are very worried..

Edited December 2, 2011 by vin

[Guest Josy]

did it look like when the dogs been running on soft clingy mud and all its toes are spleyed by the mud?

 

No, more like it was gripping.

 

His head was down, as were his shoulders, from a distance it looked like he was eating something off the ground. Claws out, eyes staring, he looked terrified tbh. Woodga carried him to a barn, and i had to run over 1/4 mile to get the car. Just prior we had been caught in really heavy hail and ice rain. The wind was so cold last night you could not feel your fingers holding the lamp.....making me lean towards severe cold on a hot body causing cramps?

Took him over 30mins to come right, then it was as if nothing had happened, back to normal?

Bloods taken at vets today...all clear, got to get a urine sample when he has been working, so getting that tomorrow night

 

Ive seen it lots of times.

 

Glucose mixed in water he would of been right in minutes

 

I carry it it in a little bottle especially when the dogs are unfit or in for a grueller.

 

ETA. Its not cramp what the dog suffered.

Edited December 2, 2011 by Josy