Running dog 'cramps'

[Moll. 1,770]

You can get an EEG done on dogs, but you would probably need a specalist to do it,

having said that its said EEG is not realy usefull to dectect epilepsy.

 

EEG is rarely useful. Absolute confirmation of the epileptic nature can only be obtained by observing simultaneously the characteristic EEG changes and physical manifestation of the seizures. The incidence of abnormal EEG in dogs with idiopathic epilepsy in the interictal period is low. EEG recording can help to detect structural brain disease. Apart from rare cases (such as hydrocephalus), the specificity of such findings is low.

 

 

You could always try contacting one of the Veterinary neurologists - to see if they could come up with anything.

 

http://www.canineepi...uro_special.htm

 

I just presumed, because epilepsy in humans was part of my profession, EEG's were common for Epilepsy detection....so i thought it would be the same for dogs Thank you very much for the info

[Moll. 1,770]

I would say he went hypo.. but had enough glucose to sort himself out eventually.. He was not as fit as you thought on that particular night and with the mix of weather and runs he used up all his reserves..He looks very lean.Get him on higher protein diet and on a night like the last one give him a feed 6 hours before his shift starts.(I know trigger said this) .

I have watched the same thing in my own dog. So when i got home I went all over google investigating.. Theres more than a few good dog men lost a dog this way especially at night when you can't always see how well your dog is actually doing... I now know how to judge when my dog is ready to stop,because the dog doe'snt !

My dog was fitting like yours and i managed to get her to a vet..buy some hypostop off ebay and you,ll be ok..I will hazard a guess that all the tests come back with nothing unusual.. except a large bill.

Sometimes its hard to believe that our dogs is not as fit as we think..

PS..Moll please don't think im having a go at you,I know you are very worried..

 

Thank you very much Vin, the lower protein is only the dry food and he gets only a small amount of this, he still gets plenty of raw. And had a meal in the morning prior. He def is not fully working fit as he would be, say in the middle of the season, but is fit enough for what he did that night imo he did not have loads of runs and very few of them were grueling ones. I do think it was a combination of weather etc. Hypo does sound about right. much more plausible than a seizure or cramps....thank you very much

[Guest vin]

I would say he went hypo.. but had enough glucose to sort himself out eventually.. He was not as fit as you thought on that particular night and with the mix of weather and runs he used up all his reserves..He looks very lean.Get him on higher protein diet and on a night like the last one give him a feed 6 hours before his shift starts.(I know trigger said this) .

I have watched the same thing in my own dog. So when i got home I went all over google investigating.. Theres more than a few good dog men lost a dog this way especially at night when you can't always see how well your dog is actually doing... I now know how to judge when my dog is ready to stop,because the dog doe'snt !

My dog was fitting like yours and i managed to get her to a vet..buy some hypostop off ebay and you,ll be ok..I will hazard a guess that all the tests come back with nothing unusual.. except a large bill.

Sometimes its hard to believe that our dogs is not as fit as we think..

PS..Moll please don't think im having a go at you,I know you are very worried..

 

Thank you very much Vin, the lower protein is only the dry food and he gets only a small amount of this, he still gets plenty of raw. And had a meal in the morning prior. He def is not fully working fit as he would be, say in the middle of the season, but is fit enough for what he did that night imo he did not have loads of runs and very few of them were grueling ones. I do think it was a combination of weather etc. Hypo does sound about right. much more plausible than a seizure or cramps....thank you very much

 

I know how worried you must be Moll..I thought my dog was fit when it happened to me.. its not just the fitness ,its a combo of all the different factors,especially for you on that particular night with the weather etc etc.

If you look it up and do a little googling you will see what all the symptoms are..Some gundogs are prone to it...only the best workers though..lol.

 

good luck Moll..and i would also add a big thanks to Woodga who probably went a long way to helping the dog recover with all he did in the emergency.

 

PM me or Trigger anytime and If you want i will giv you a call and try and explain how my dog and a few other have been through same ordeal.

[Moll. 1,770]

I would say he went hypo.. but had enough glucose to sort himself out eventually.. He was not as fit as you thought on that particular night and with the mix of weather and runs he used up all his reserves..He looks very lean.Get him on higher protein diet and on a night like the last one give him a feed 6 hours before his shift starts.(I know trigger said this) .

I have watched the same thing in my own dog. So when i got home I went all over google investigating.. Theres more than a few good dog men lost a dog this way especially at night when you can't always see how well your dog is actually doing... I now know how to judge when my dog is ready to stop,because the dog doe'snt !

My dog was fitting like yours and i managed to get her to a vet..buy some hypostop off ebay and you,ll be ok..I will hazard a guess that all the tests come back with nothing unusual.. except a large bill.

Sometimes its hard to believe that our dogs is not as fit as we think..

PS..Moll please don't think im having a go at you,I know you are very worried..

 

Thank you very much Vin, the lower protein is only the dry food and he gets only a small amount of this, he still gets plenty of raw. And had a meal in the morning prior. He def is not fully working fit as he would be, say in the middle of the season, but is fit enough for what he did that night imo he did not have loads of runs and very few of them were grueling ones. I do think it was a combination of weather etc. Hypo does sound about right. much more plausible than a seizure or cramps....thank you very much

 

I know how worried you must be Moll..I thought my dog was fit when it happened to me.. its not just the fitness ,its a combo of all the different factors,especially for you on that particular night with the weather etc etc.

If you look it up and do a little googling you will see what all the symptoms are..Some gundogs are prone to it...only the best workers though..lol.

 

good luck Moll..and i would also add a big thanks to Woodga who probably went a long way to helping the dog recover with all he did in the emergency.

 

PM me or Trigger anytime and If you want i will giv you a call and try and explain how my dog and a few other have been through same ordeal.

 

.x.

[ianh 83]

happened to me few weeks back moll, dog was unfit from an injury, not far off fit tho, he had been getting lots of road wor etc but he wasnt fit enough to run what he ended up doing, accidently put something up with my mates saluki x and the rest is history, luckily mine came round too, after about ten mins.

 

i found this thread by sandymere very helpful, and shows that electrolytes arent always the answer, better adressing the problem/

 

http://www.thehuntin...17#entry2255617

 

hope it helps

Edited December 2, 2011 by ianh

[chook1 184]

I would say he went hypo.. but had enough glucose to sort himself out eventually.. He was not as fit as you thought on that particular night and with the mix of weather and runs he used up all his reserves..He looks very lean.Get him on higher protein diet and on a night like the last one give him a feed 6 hours before his shift starts.(I know trigger said this) .

I have watched the same thing in my own dog. So when i got home I went all over google investigating.. Theres more than a few good dog men lost a dog this way especially at night when you can't always see how well your dog is actually doing... I now know how to judge when my dog is ready to stop,because the dog doe'snt !

My dog was fitting like yours and i managed to get her to a vet..buy some hypostop off ebay and you,ll be ok..I will hazard a guess that all the tests come back with nothing unusual.. except a large bill.

Sometimes its hard to believe that our dogs is not as fit as we think..

PS..Moll please don't think im having a go at you,I know you are very worried..

 

 

Its cheaper buying honey - it does excatly the same as Glucogel (was hypostop)

when the dog go's in to a hypo, rub the honey on the gums till the dog comes round.

[Moll. 1,770]

and i would also add a big thanks to Woodga who probably went a long way to helping the dog recover with all he did in the emergency.

 

Without a doubt, calm and practical and reassuring for me to know the dog was with him whilst i went for the car.......without him i would have had to try to carry a 60+lb dog over 1/4 mile uphill.

 

I went to a little village butchers i have never been to before to get some beef dripping. Was served by the quintisential british butcher, a big round bloke with big rosy red cheeks and great humour

Anyway, they had none left so instead he offered me some beef fat what they make the dripping out of...You should have seen the size of the lump he brought me, weighed it when i got home, nearly a stone, plus it is freezable so i just need to cut off what i need, when i need it Then he produced 6lb of some of the best lamb ribs and neck i have ever had, the meat on it could feed me for a week let alone the dogs

And the best thing was he gave me it for nothing, and will continue to do so. I gave him 7 big healthy rabbits in exchange and he was more concerned that i was doing myself out of money, bless him.

One good turn deserves another

 

If there are any people out there near me want some beef fat, just let me know and i will try to get some for you, he said there will be more after xmas when the poultry is finished and people want beef again.

 

 

[trigger2 3,145]

I would say he went hypo.. but had enough glucose to sort himself out eventually.. He was not as fit as you thought on that particular night and with the mix of weather and runs he used up all his reserves..He looks very lean.Get him on higher protein diet and on a night like the last one give him a feed 6 hours before his shift starts.(I know trigger said this) .

I have watched the same thing in my own dog. So when i got home I went all over google investigating.. Theres more than a few good dog men lost a dog this way especially at night when you can't always see how well your dog is actually doing... I now know how to judge when my dog is ready to stop,because the dog doe'snt !

My dog was fitting like yours and i managed to get her to a vet..buy some hypostop off ebay and you,ll be ok..I will hazard a guess that all the tests come back with nothing unusual.. except a large bill.

Sometimes its hard to believe that our dogs is not as fit as we think..

PS..Moll please don't think im having a go at you,I know you are very worried..

 

Thank you very much Vin, the lower protein is only the dry food and he gets only a small amount of this, he still gets plenty of raw. And had a meal in the morning prior. He def is not fully working fit as he would be, say in the middle of the season, but is fit enough for what he did that night imo he did not have loads of runs and very few of them were grueling ones. I do think it was a combination of weather etc. Hypo does sound about right. much more plausible than a seizure or cramps....thank you very much

 

I know how worried you must be Moll..I thought my dog was fit when it happened to me.. its not just the fitness ,its a combo of all the different factors,especially for you on that particular night with the weather etc etc.

If you look it up and do a little googling you will see what all the symptoms are..Some gundogs are prone to it...only the best workers though..lol.

 

good luck Moll..and i would also add a big thanks to Woodga who probably went a long way to helping the dog recover with all he did in the emergency.

 

PM me or Trigger anytime and If you want i will giv you a call and try and explain how my dog and a few other have been through same ordeal.

[Moll. 1,770]

Vets have just rang...high blood in his urine so they think he has....

 

http://www.ncbi.nlm....lth/PMH0001505/

 

 

Rhabdomyolysis

 

Last reviewed: September 19, 2011.

 

Rhabdomyolysis is the breakdown of muscle fibers that leads to the release of muscle fiber contents (myoglobin) into the bloodstream. Myoglobin is harmful to the kidney and often causes kidney damage.

 

Causes, incidence, and risk factors

 

When muscle is damaged, a protein called myoglobin is released into the bloodstream. It is then filtered out of the body by the kidneys. Myoglobin breaks down into substances that can damage kidney cells.

Rhabdomyolysis may be caused by any condition that damages skeletal muscle, especially injury.

Edited December 2, 2011 by Moll.

[skycat 6,173]

Well at least it is reassuring to know. The down side is that dogs which have it once, are more predisposed to get it again. Most often happens in dogs which push themselves to the limit and are not quite fit enough to do so. Big problem in high drive dogs. And as has already been said, less likely to happen in Saluki type runners or any dog with stamina to run and run built into its genetic make up: heavily muscled Greyhoundy dogs are more likely to get it.

 

What about reducing the meat content in his diet and increasing the carbs? Anyone got any thoughts on this? I have not had any experience with this type of dog, but the dogs I have which need stamina, and not just the Saluki types, really do better with more carbs.

[whip x grey 276]

moll ive not read all topic since lol ive had a few beers 2night lol

 

i did see yer dogs photo and looks in good fettle,,,as preverouse post i made about only seeing this in well built types and mucele mass on back legs,,,,going dead and there walking on back curled up toes,,,i still stand by that as ive seen this

 

i see pic off yer dog ,,,and yer dog is very well muceled on front,,,and can be the same thing,,,,trying too hard running till legs go dead

 

i still think yer better asking the greyhound guys on there forums,,,,as they would have seen this like myself,,,althou i havent seen it in front legs,,,,there worth more than a normal vet,try those guys 1st,,,as vets nowaday come out with crap

 

i noticed ya feed yer dog tripe ,,,mmmmmm dont get me started on tripe,,,,it fills yer dogs belly,,,,thats it ,,,ive seen many dogs lose there contion being feed on tripe,,,,but folk swear by it,,,,ill never argue that,,,,back in the day it was just a cheaper way to feed dogs,,,,nowadays un sure,,,,but tripes tripe lol

[Moll. 1,770]

Thank you WG. It's looking like it has been Hypo from the descriptions given. I am constantly revising diets, it seems i might need to again

[whip x grey 276]

ok moll,,,,,if its crap in front usally ull feel it on yer dog,,,sticking out like a golf ball,,,when rubbing yer dog down

 

the reason i mentioned tin tomatoes,,,,as iam thick as sh@#t as when ive mentioned this ,,,,i think i was one off the 1st on htl,,,,,i think brother pays more attention than me,,,,tomatoes help to clean the blood out and it does help stop dogs cramping up,,,,a vet wont tell ya that ,,,,but it does work,,,,and i was a none beliver at that time years ago,,,when an old guy told me lol,,,,,,my vet also mentioned pasta,,,,as when he takes his kids swimming on the weekends,,,helps prevent cramping up,,,he says helps keeps muscel relaxed,,,he,s unsure if that works on dogs,,,but that was his advise,,,worth a try,,,,,be wary of vets unless there greyhound vet

 

good luck,,,,yer dog looks mint ,,,iam sure ull get on top off this problem

 

 

had to edit lol iam very drunk lol

 

but however ,,,moll i giv my dogs lot off tinned sardines with tomato,,,and sardines with sunflower oil,,,,,every 3rd day whatever ,,,,loads giv dogs pilgards,,i find salt content too high

 

dogs thrive on oils and fats,,,,were us humans have heart attacks lol,,,its a well known fact ,,,and iam certain u know this ,,,is for others reading this , reading

 

right iam away to bed iam feckin drunk,,,,,bet i have to kick a whippet to get my space in bed,,,,uve got to love them :laugh:

Edited December 3, 2011 by whip x grey

[Moll. 1,770]

ok moll,,,,,if its crap in front usally ull feel it on yer dog,,,sticking out like a golf ball,,,when rubbing yer dog down

 

the reason i mentioned tin tomatoes,,,,as iam thick as sh@#t as when ive mentioned this ,,,,i think i was one off the 1st on htl,,,,,i think brother pays more attention than me,,,,tomatoes help to clean the blood out and it does help stop dogs cramping up,,,,a vet wont tell ya that ,,,,but it does work,,,,and i was a none beliver at that time years ago,,,when an old guy told me lol,,,,,,my vet also mentioned pasta,,,,as when he takes his kids swimming on the weekends,,,helps prevent cramping up,,,he says helps keeps muscel relaxed,,,he,s unsure if that works on dogs,,,but that was his advise,,,worth a try,,,,,be wary of vets unless there greyhound vet

 

good luck,,,,yer dog looks mint ,,,iam sure ull get on top off this problem

 

 

had to edit lol iam very drunk lol

 

but however ,,,moll i giv my dogs lot off tinned sardines with tomato,,,and sardines with sunflower oil,,,,,every 3rd day whatever ,,,,loads giv dogs pilgards,,i find salt content too high

 

dogs thrive on oils and fats,,,,were us humans have heart attacks lol,,,its a well known fact ,,,and iam certain u know this ,,,is for others reading this , reading

 

right iam away to bed iam feckin drunk,,,,,bet i have to kick a whippet to get my space in bed,,,,uve got to love them :laugh:

 

:laugh: Superb

[bullmastiff 615]

jmo but it sounds like it lasted a bit too long to just be low blood suger levels. I think it was probably a mixture of both low blood suger and mild hypothermia?

 

Maybe it's because he's the fittest he's been in a while? In the past although he hasn't been as fit, he's had that extra fat/energy to call on during a long cold night.

 

He now has little/no fat reserves on him and muscle is next to useless at holding any heat so with the really cold wind and weather, his body has to work that much harder just to stay warm?

 

Some dogs just work better carrying a bit more weight?

 

Hope he make a full recovery.

Luke.