Working parents

[old timer123 367]

anyone can buy a greyhound pup from parents that haven't seen game for generations, rear it like a lurcher, teach the basics recall, jump, retrieve etc. and it'll be bowling over hares easily in no time. ive seen greyhounds straight off the track mauling foxes or pulling down roe (pre ban of course) with no experience or hunting background. an experienced owner or a willing and honest beginner with the cohonies to stick with their mutt and not sell it at the first setback is far more important than working parents

 

 

silly talk,its all in the blood,you breed from pets you get pets.all the lads at the top of there game have one thing in common,a good line of dogs behind them.

 

if it's 'all in the blood' it surely doesn't matter whether the blood works or not

corse it does how do you know whats in the blood if its not tested an if inferior dogs turn up then surely they have to be culled no good breeding off something you think is in the BLOOD if you havent tested it

 

so hypothetically you wouldn't take a lurcher pup bred out of top honcho's unraced unworked sister

 

no chance

sam those dogs youve got had to start some were an the base greyhound some were in that lineage might not have been worked you dont know every dog in your dogs pedigreed of that im sure??????

 

i know every dog thats in the make up of my own animals,been out with everyone of them.why would anyone add ghound blood now days for a lurcher when theres pleanty of good lurchers out there that are tryed and tested

i hear what ye saying but youve added coursing blood an i dare bet some generations back in that blood is none worked greyhound?? like me ive seen the parents of mine work but they had to start some were an most people dont have access to coursing greyhounds to breed in to there dogs so use whats available to add speed

[old timer123 367]

anyone can buy a greyhound pup from parents that haven't seen game for generations, rear it like a lurcher, teach the basics recall, jump, retrieve etc. and it'll be bowling over hares easily in no time. ive seen greyhounds straight off the track mauling foxes or pulling down roe (pre ban of course) with no experience or hunting background. an experienced owner or a willing and honest beginner with the cohonies to stick with their mutt and not sell it at the first setback is far more important than working parents

 

 

silly talk,its all in the blood,you breed from pets you get pets.all the lads at the top of there game have one thing in common,a good line of dogs behind them.

 

if it's 'all in the blood' it surely doesn't matter whether the blood works or not

corse it does how do you know whats in the blood if its not tested an if inferior dogs turn up then surely they have to be culled no good breeding off something you think is in the BLOOD if you havent tested it

 

so hypothetically you wouldn't take a lurcher pup bred out of top honcho's unraced unworked sister

 

no chance

sam those dogs youve got had to start some were an the base greyhound some were in that lineage might not have been worked you dont know every dog in your dogs pedigreed of that im sure??????

 

i know every dog thats in the make up of my own animals,been out with everyone of them.why would anyone add ghound blood now days for a lurcher when theres pleanty of good lurchers out there that are tryed and tested

how can you say you know the make up of your own animals ???? youve added coursing dog from merlin an eve line they are fecking mongrels got all kinds a dogs mated into em anything doing well on hares in the day was mated to that line im not knocking the line an im certainly not knocking you but that line goes back 30 odd years even the lads that keep the line from the smiths barely know every dog in the line...... some one please correct me if im wrong ???? i had a merlin an eve bred dog over 12 years ago

[birddog 1,354]

nature versus nurture is always going to prompt differing views. when my bitch turns a rabbit away from a fence before striking its easy to see the unworked collie in her, when she's at full stretch on open land closing on her bunny it's easy to see the unworked greyhound in her, when shes working with the longnet and turns back into the field when she sees a rabbit tangle in the net it's not as easy to see where she gets that! or is it?

[skycat 6,173]

Surely the whole thing about breeding good worker to good worker depends a lot on the owner who breeds the litter: is their criteria the same as a would be buyer of pups? Different people have different ideas and standards of what makes a good worker. One person might be over the moon with a dog that works to a certain standard whilst others wouldn't spit on that dog if it was on fire.

[whin 463]

i wouldnt breed to agreyhound unless she had been tested every on eive had i testedit if they didnt fit the bill i wouldnt breed of them as some are as hard as naild others soft as shit before the ban i had abrindle greyhound real tough good feet run her a real lot she never blew up , and lernt to pace her self after a while , others ive had were headless chickens , a big diffrence and as for working collies , if you are about farms and see them work cattle sheep killing vermin you see what you like ,any way the first cross is only the start of a dog not the end product , evry dog you breed with has to be tested if not how you going find faults etc or good pionts

[birddog 1,354]

Surely the whole thing about breeding good worker to good worker depends a lot on the owner who breeds the litter: is their criteria the same as a would be buyer of pups? Different people have different ideas and standards of what makes a good worker. One person might be over the moon with a dog that works to a certain standard whilst others wouldn't spit on that dog if it was on fire.

 

spot on as always. my collie cross would be so out of place chasing hares on a fen, but the amount of proper workers ive seen knock over longnets or run on when the lamp goes off is unreal and the more i see the more i enjoy my own company

[whin 463]

bird youre showing a bit inexpiersnce there as some nites the qaurry is out the lamp and the dog catches as he has the balls to run on and make his catch and as for working webs and nets its not to hard to train a dog to leave qaurry i a net orr espect a net ,and as for proper workers if you teach them they soon no the net is forbidden , what happens if your working the moon dog cacthes without much aid from lamp in the [bANNED TEXT] areas ,dogs can see without aid of lamp good dogs any way ,

[birddog 1,354]

bird youre showing a bit inexpiersnce there as some nites the qaurry is out the lamp and the dog catches as he has the balls to run on and make his catch and as for working webs and nets its not to hard to train a dog to leave qaurry i a net orr espect a net ,and as for proper workers if you teach them they soon no the net is forbidden , what happens if your working the moon dog cacthes without much aid from lamp in the [bANNED TEXT] areas ,dogs can see without aid of lamp good dogs any way ,

 

exactly as skycat says your meat is my poision idea, my bitch from unworked parents has broken through barbed wire off the lamp and carried on for 4 more catches before i saw the blood, too much balls for me, working the moon for me often means working my rapidly aging butt off digging bait for as you know the biggest tides coincide with the moon and preban we used that as foxes are aware of this and fed readily on the mussel beds, and the net in my opinion shouldn't be forbidden as the proper worker recognises when a bunny is well tangled and cant escape, as for inexperience i suppose your right again i only got my own (not my familys) lurcher in the late 70's wer'e all still learning eh

Edited December 1, 2011 by birddog

[stewie 3,387]

Of course there are no guarentees, as i said its bout giving yourself a greater chance, if yo were a keen rough shooter, would you buy a gundo from working lines or the nice coupl round the corner with a litter? No need to answer chap as its a retoricle question

i must get a gundo :laugh:

get a coupl mate

[whip x grey 276]

bird youre showing a bit inexpiersnce there as some nites the qaurry is out the lamp and the dog catches as he has the balls to run on and make his catch and as for working webs and nets its not to hard to train a dog to leave qaurry i a net orr espect a net ,and as for proper workers if you teach them they soon no the net is forbidden , what happens if your working the moon dog cacthes without much aid from lamp in the [bANNED TEXT] areas ,dogs can see without aid of lamp good dogs any way ,

 

 

i find last sentence intresting whin,,,,how many dogs do ya know ,,,that catch without the aid off the lamp,,,at night and run out off the beam,,,,thats not courage,,,running out off beam,,,not unsusal,,,,,running without lamp in bright nights ive seen this alot,,,sucess rate low,,,but its done neither the less,,,i didnt think folk really taked about this,,,its usally done if hunting outskirts off towns and police are on the ball lol

[leegreen 2,173]

Is it important and essential when buying a puppy that the parents are good workers or done some work atleast ?

 

Would you class racing as work?

 

Edited to say.....has that been said?

[whip x grey 276]

Is it important and essential when buying a puppy that the parents are good workers or done some work atleast ?

 

Would you class racing as work?

 

Edited to say.....has that been said?

 

a racer wont race if it didnt have drive

 

a racer wont run if it didnt have guts

 

a racer wont run if it didnt run if it didnt have courage

 

a racer wont win unless it pushes its way threw other dogs, and somtimes stonger dogs

 

never knock the racer mate ,,,they are what they are

 

 

i heard this before best worker is a gun dog,,,,,my best worker was spanial,,,work all day at nearly top speed,,,stamia to burn ,,,,,and plls who breed gundogs only breed worker to worker ---this is true,,,but there full peds breeding worker to worker-----lurcher guys are mainly cross breeds many times ,,,food for thought lol makes it even more difficult when breeding 1st crosses and 2nd crosses,

 

40years ago no whippet guy would breed a worker to a show breed ,,or sell a good fast worker ,,,but to only breed to a racer ,than show breed,,,how times have changed and they guys were so wrong ,,,,and lurchers nowadys should never be breed to the racing greyhound ( joke) lol yet a lay money on it those guys from past hunted more than most now

Edited December 2, 2011 by whip x grey

[red pit boar dog 13]

^{imo it all about stacking trats easyst way is best to best if your a half assed breeder or you dont under stand linebreeding ,out crossing and genitics worker to worker is bull shit if they dont have good linage you have the same chance as show dog x a well line breed dog proble even lessthese are just my eg and ball park figers}

^{line breed not inbreed about 95% chance if breed by a good dogman who has a clue about breeding}

^{best to best with good linage85%}

^{best to best avarge linage75%}

^{worker to worker avarge linage 65%}

^{worker to worker 55%}

^{show breed 40-50%}

^{there are exceptions to the rule and just my opiona dog you put heaps of work into with no natral talent can become a good dog}

^{a dog with natral talent a good dogman and heaps of work can become a world beater}

^{a dog owner working well breed dogs is not a good dogman more than likely a good bloke or rich claiming someone elses hard work once again there are excptions to the rule}

^{iv seen great dogs wreaked by so called good dogman and dogs most would cull become good handy dogs bye great dogman}

^{dont think im trying to make out like im a good domman or breeder im just a dumb assie bushman with a cupple of handy dogs and some shitones lol}

^{so dose working parents mean much imo no there are a lot of factors that come into play but its beter than a show dog and the way they breed}

 

 

^{cheers rpbd}

Edited December 3, 2011 by red pit boar dog

[leegreen 2,173]

Is it important and essential when buying a puppy that the parents are good workers or done some work atleast ?

 

Would you class racing as work?

 

Edited to say.....has that been said?

 

a racer wont race if it didnt have drive

 

a racer wont run if it didnt have guts

 

a racer wont run if it didnt run if it didnt have courage

 

a racer wont win unless it pushes its way threw other dogs, and somtimes stonger dogs

 

never knock the racer mate ,,,they are what they are

 

 

 

I have a Non-ped, fastest dog I know with excessive pray drive, but she is laying in her kennel with her chest wide open. They are great but not the best, I wouldn't get another.

[undisputed 1,664]

i wouldnt breed to agreyhound unless she had been tested every on eive had i testedit if they didnt fit the bill i wouldnt breed of them as some are as hard as naild others soft as shit before the ban i had abrindle greyhound real tough good feet run her a real lot she never blew up , and lernt to pace her self after a while , others ive had were headless chickens , a big diffrence and as for working collies , if you are about farms and see them work cattle sheep killing vermin you see what you like ,any way the first cross is only the start of a dog not the end product , evry dog you breed with has to be tested if not how you going find faults etc or good pionts

 

Who tested the salukis in your dogs lineage