deerhound x greyhound your opinion

[bunnys 1,228]

iknow charps we have f1s second gens bills stuff in my family, and also ardingklass f1s steel greys blacks when born ,one we bred ourselves . atb bunnys.

[whin 463]

no prob bunnys ,what gets me is they forget the first thing what can the dogs do for a working dog man to by a big lump of a first cross ,for any oldr gents they must remeber the deerhoundy dogs we had in the eighties straw coulored a few brindles made about 25 to 27 ,odd one bigger they were the most popular type back then, most of the early coursing dogs had deerhound lurcher in them ,back to saluk when they came on the seen ,if your serous into working dogs not just liking them i would advise any gent look for dogs who throw 27 no more theyll do more than enough the minute you go bigger and bigger you get feet problems at times lack of agility and ungainly at times

[Sirius 1,391]

when does a animal become what they say has pure blood ,fourth fifth sixth gen of selection kennel club status , the kennel club are allowing registeration of cross bred dogs for the better of the gene pools of certain breeds ,and lets hope this long may be so .atb bunnys.

 

You're right mate; evidently Ms Noble used to put Greyhound into her Ardkinglas Deerhounds now and again, to stop them getting like Wolfhounds, I talked to old lads who put Beddy into their Lakies, to add a bit fire, it's hapened with many breeds, but if I was after an F! Whipet/Deer, and saw one advertised as such, I'd be pissed off if I later found it had another breed in it !

 

Cheers.

 

Sorry to go off subject a little but do you have any proof that Ms Noble added greyhound?

[chartpolski 23,609]

when does a animal become what they say has pure blood ,fourth fifth sixth gen of selection kennel club status , the kennel club are allowing registeration of cross bred dogs for the better of the gene pools of certain breeds ,and lets hope this long may be so .atb bunnys.

 

You're right mate; evidently Ms Noble used to put Greyhound into her Ardkinglas Deerhounds now and again, to stop them getting like Wolfhounds, I talked to old lads who put Beddy into their Lakies, to add a bit fire, it's hapened with many breeds, but if I was after an F! Whipet/Deer, and saw one advertised as such, I'd be pissed off if I later found it had another breed in it !

 

Cheers.

 

Sorry to go off subject a little but do you have any proof that Ms Noble added greyhound?

 

It seems to be comon knowledge in Deerhound circles, and evidently she was quite open about it.

 

Cheers.

[Romany 1,065]

She was given dispensation from the English kennel club to do it

Edited November 28, 2011 by Romany

[Sirius 1,391]

when does a animal become what they say has pure blood ,fourth fifth sixth gen of selection kennel club status , the kennel club are allowing registeration of cross bred dogs for the better of the gene pools of certain breeds ,and lets hope this long may be so .atb bunnys.

 

You're right mate; evidently Ms Noble used to put Greyhound into her Ardkinglas Deerhounds now and again, to stop them getting like Wolfhounds, I talked to old lads who put Beddy into their Lakies, to add a bit fire, it's hapened with many breeds, but if I was after an F! Whipet/Deer, and saw one advertised as such, I'd be pissed off if I later found it had another breed in it !

 

Cheers.

 

Sorry to go off subject a little but do you have any proof that Ms Noble added greyhound?

 

It seems to be comon knowledge in Deerhound circles, and evidently she was quite open about it.

 

Cheers.

 

Ok well I have not heard this before and I have quite a few friends who knew Ms Noble well. I will have to quiz them.

 

Everyday is a school day!

[chartpolski 23,609]

Here you go;

 

http://kilbournedeerhounds.com/HISTORY%20OF%20SOME%20PEDIGREES.htm

 

Cheers.

[Romany 1,065]

Spot on matie, I knew Miss Noble, spoke to her numerous times at deerhound coursing, got beat in one final by one of her favourite hounds Ardkinglas Ace, I quized her a lot about putting the greyhound back in, but she thought I was asking to write an artical about it and clamped up...

 

A Study of the Deerhound pedigreees shows something most of you will know, a Greyhound was added into the Deerhound gene pool by Miss Noble back in the late 50's. Tracking the registered cross-breed Slipper of Ardkinglas forward has been very interesting. Slipper was mated to Saxon of Rotherwood owned by Miss Hartley so we must assume these top breeders of Deerhound world thought it a good for the breed. There was only one bitch registered with the kennel club (Tassie of Ardkinglas) she also appears as a cross breed in the KC registrations.

Tassie, in 1962, was matched with Ch Fitzroy of Ardkinglas a large dog and this union produced the first pure registered litter. 7 Offspring, 3 males (Isambard, Ivanhoe and Ian) and 4 bitches (Isobell. Ina, Isa and Ingrid). Only two of this litter was bred from Isa and Isanbard.

Isa of Ardkinglas mated to Bosun of Geltsdale produced 4 puppies, Bonus was owned by Miss Linton but this Ardkinglas litter was not bred from so this line died.

Isambard of Ardkinglas the male from this litter is a different story, he sired 3 litters between 1964 and 1966 producing 25 puppies but still at this time only Miss Noble was breeding from these genes and only four of these where bred from:-

1. Sparkler of Ardkinglas (bitch) produced 17 offspring from 2 litters but only one of those was bred from. Kohinoor of Ardkinglas, he sired 2 litters of 13 puppies. None were bred from in the UK but two went to the USA and Plaid of Ardkinglas was bred from in the U.S. moving into the Lyonhil and Hamilton Hill kennels.
   
2. Magnus of Ardlkinglas (male) The story here gets interesting as UptonMill and Sorisdale both picked up the genes in the 70's . Magnus sired 2 litters - 13 puppies Erskine of Ardkinglas a daughter of Magnus had a litter for Mr Cassels in 1972. Miss Noble had a litter by him in 1974, this produced Emerald of Ardkingkas who became Uptonmill Emerald of Ardkinglas. Emerald was dam of Uptonmill Compton one of the hot coursing dogs of the day. From these dogs the Coronach and Sorisdale took the genes forward and the first champion with this greyhound blood was Ch Sorisdale Maceithne.
   
3. Morven of Ardkinglas ( had 2 litters but none were bred so the line ended.
   
4. Sovereign of Ardkinglas (d) sired two litters one for Miss Noble and one for Mr amd Mrs Kennedy but none of these produced so again this part of the line died.
   

All of the breeding was done by Miss Noble in the 1/2/3/4th generations but Rotherwood came on board once in early 70's. Coronach, Uptonmill and Sorisdale aquired these genes in the 5th generation and Jansown in the 6th. Most of these breeders were very keen on the running hound and I suppose it made some sense they wanted this greyhound blood. Nothing much happened until the 9th and 10 generations when many of the show kennels aquired these genes, Brangalad, Flaunden, Kilbourne, Fearnwood, Chapeltower, Hynsight Regalflight, Ardneish to name a few. Not until the 13th generation did the Torffric, Lealla, and Dufault kennel appear. At this time we have 6,757 descendants of the cross-breed Slipper of Ardkinglas - we all have the genes, amazing when you remember this was one Greyhound and the dreams of two adventureous breeders,

[bunnys 1,228]

kilbourn now thats whats in ours with the ardinkglas atb bunnys.

[Romany 1,065]

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Edited November 28, 2011 by Romany

[Johnathon 15]

I can recall my dogs breeder going on about that, but I didnt have clue what he was on about so just nodded in agreement lol