Does and kids in which order?

[Caprelous 217]

Ok so

Are we talking recreational sportsman who may have shot a few or are we talking professional numbers game here as their is two answers.

in the Respect to roe Management

Best Practice would advise shoot the yearlings first and pick up the mother and other matriarch doe later as the initial shot the matriarch would leg it on report.

 

If you are reducing numbers and controlling deer in a professional way and are competent in what you do . you shoot the matriarch doe first and the yearlings will more often than not always stand allowing the more proficient professional to take out the remaining two doe kids , if one of the kids is not taken out if you remain in the position without approaching the area the remaining kid will return to the scene where it to can be culled.

 

But you need to know your ground and be proficient in what you do, so there are two answers H

 

As stated by me each species needs to be addressed individually . Thats why your question and poll is flawed

 

Ok, so we've covered the bases in regards to roe. What about the other deer species?

 

Well structure the question in a manner then that takes in the procedure for the different species of deer , your question related to Does and kids , If you had worded it different and included other species then each answer would have been different very ambiguous in its inference to say the least and the poll would need adapting as the answers given would not represent the full and true picture of procedure, also what is regarded as correct procedure by the Deer Initiative does not reflect the proceedure carried out by those engaged professionally in reducing numbers in forestry protection. I have to say the question generally is flawed at the outset.

 

 

Where do you draw the line regarding competency in regards to recreational stalkers or should that be a seperate discussion?

 

Mixing the two questions and trying to lump the two together isnt going to achieve anything other than confusion to a novice stalker , you know it and i know it so keep it separate if you are trying to get statistical answers your going to achieve nothing in the way the questions are put.

Not a fair debate sorry I am crying foul play on this one

Stu

 

I'm not mixing the 2 questions or lumping them together. They are completely separate and can be answered as such. No one is suggesting that you can't answer either without the other.

How does this cause or create confusion for the novice stalker?

 

Not everybody novice or otherwise is limited or restricted to stalking just roe. The same stalkers dilemma can be faced by those who stalk any and all of the 6 species, sometime on a more frequent basis if one of those species is Muntjac.

 

Those that advocate shooting the doe first and waiting for the fawn/s to return. Presumably you never shoot does any later than an 30 mins before sunset?

 

The determining stalking competency is going to be a major challenge that those that shoot deer in Scotland as we all know.You are going to have to deal with very soon whether they like it or not. Whether they consider it an unfair debate or not and want to call foul.

 

 

Your original post refered to Does and kids nowhere in that post did it mention anything about Hinds or kids so by that fact alone its limiting the species your asking questing about so it can be assumed those species that this question would only apply to would be either Roe. Munjac CWD or fallow

 

copy of your intial post

 

 

Posted 24 November 2011 - 08:24 PM

Its that time of year again when that annual stalkers dilemma in regarding does and their kids and does and their fawns rears its head.

 

Do you shoot the doe first and risk leaving an orphan on the ground or do you shoot the kid/fawn first there by eliminating the orphan risk and hope you either get a chance at the doe immediately afterwards or that you can pick her up at later date.

 

Also where in your poll does it refer to Hinds or Calfs

 

 

What order would you shoot them

• Always shoot the doe first (2 votes [15.38%])
  
• Always shoot the kid/fawn first (7 votes [53.85%])
  
• It doesn't matter (0 votes [0.00%])
  
• It depend on the time of the year (2 votes [15.38%])
  
• Is there such a thing as selective management (0 votes [0.00%])
  
• It depends on the species (0 votes [0.00%])
  
• Never had to make that choice (0 votes [0.00%])
  
• My dogs not that fussy (2 votes [15.38%])
  

Edited November 27, 2011 by Caprelous

[gerfalcon 13]

Stu

 

As you can see in the opening line i have included does and fawns

Its that time of year again when that annual stalkers dilemma in regarding does and their kids and does and their fawns rears its head.

 

AFAIUi its generally accepted that only roe give birth to kids and the rest all give birth to fawns.......or calfs. Anyway regardless of the terminology used, I had expanded the question to the 5 other species. But I accept i missed out the words hind and calfs. I hadn't realised we were splitting the hair so thinly in this matter.

Edited November 27, 2011 by gerfalcon

[pipcock 21]

well i'm glad you've both got that sorted or us novice stalkers would be nothing more than confused .wtf

[gerfalcon 13]

well i'm glad you've both got that sorted

 

So am I.

[Squirrel_Basher 17,100]

Do these two have nothing better to do but correct each other .If it wasnt on a public forum it'd be laughable .Do you reckon they ever get anything shot .

[gerfalcon 13]

We're glad that you take such an interest in our discussing and online conversations. I suggest that you would be better served tending to your own business. As its obvious that ours upsets you.

 

Perhaps a note to yourself will help to remind you of that simple solution to your perturbation.

[blunderbust 4]

I voted to take the Kid out first, my view would not change no matter what species we were discussing. I just have this thing that I am never going to be 100% sure that the Kid/Calf/Fawn would survive without his/her mummy. I might, to be honest allow them both to pass without taking the shot, a month or so, to me isn’t going to make that much of a difference and if it was getting to the end of a particular season, so be it. There is always next year. I understand that cull targets and Management is important but I have personal ethics and tend to stick to them. On saying that, everyone to their own.

[mattydski 560]

As much as I respect the opinions of all the experienced views ion this subject, I'm with FD..........

 

Its laughable. You guys have a lot more to offer the forum that the bitching, and cock waving that goes on here..

 

Lets get this back on track eh?

 

For what its worth, I shoot the follower first... when I'm forced to make the decision (Farmer pressure for results).. otherwise I wait... Freezer's full of Daddy Roe anyhow...

[J Darcy 5,871]

The first thing i would think is.....do i want to take one or two?. If you stalk for the freezer then the yearling would be the one to take. Nothing much tenderer than a yearling roe.