Guest andrew g Posted March 31, 2007 Report Share Posted March 31, 2007 is the craze with shows detrimental to the working abilities of our dogs? been going to shows for a few years now and have heard of dogs being sold for ridiculous money. one man who sold one such dog is rumoured to have a kennel of non or substandard working dogs. spoke to a man who travelled over two hundred miles to purchase an adult dog from this well known name, a guaranteed worker no less. he returned home to find out the dog was a bottler. needless to say the return journey was faster and a refund demanded. many say this man used to have good dogs but not now, but he is winning regularly at shows. so what will the future hold when people take there bitches to be mated with his dogs? i was raised to believe that the only way you can truly judge a working dog is to watch it do just that, work. i get strange looks at shows because my lurcher bears working scars,cuts and grazes from fences and the like. so if at a supposed working dog show a dog that shows signs of having been worked is going to be frowned upon then where do we go from here? will lurchers turn into three types as they did with the greyhound? the showdog, the racing dog and lastly the coursing dog. why don't these people keep dogs that have already been ruined by the show craze? at shows now they even have classes for working dogs, are they not all supposed to be working dogs with the exception of the pups and veterans? look forward to hearing comments of real dogmen Quote Link to post
Phil Lloyd 10,738 Posted March 31, 2007 Report Share Posted March 31, 2007 (edited) Shows will not ruin the genuine lurcher.... Edited March 31, 2007 by CHALKWARREN Quote Link to post
MickC 1,825 Posted March 31, 2007 Report Share Posted March 31, 2007 A show for me is somewhere to go during the summer months and have a craic with the lads about the previous seasons work me and my dogs have had,and also raise a few quid for the clubs that are running the show.You do get people there just for the rosettes but I dont think it has a detrimental effect at all on the genuine lads who get to the shows who work there dogs. Quote Link to post
terriermaid 3 Posted March 31, 2007 Report Share Posted March 31, 2007 i judged a terrier show last year there was a cracking border ,but was a pet ,another guy had 2 russell dog 1 12 months really craking one 4 years old seen a few seasons he had a few scares ,and must have lost some teeth as his teeth was splayed a working mouth!! but cracking you can guess what i put up Quote Link to post
inan 841 Posted March 31, 2007 Report Share Posted March 31, 2007 is the craze with shows detrimental to the working abilities of our dogs? been going to shows for a few years now and have heard of dogs being sold for ridiculous money. one man who sold one such dog is rumoured to have a kennel of non or substandard working dogs. spoke to a man who travelled over two hundred miles to purchase an adult dog from this well known name, a guaranteed worker no less. he returned home to find out the dog was a bottler. needless to say the return journey was faster and a refund demanded. many say this man used to have good dogs but not now, but he is winning regularly at shows. so what will the future hold when people take there bitches to be mated with his dogs? i was raised to believe that the only way you can truly judge a working dog is to watch it do just that, work. i get strange looks at shows because my lurcher bears working scars,cuts and grazes from fences and the like. so if at a supposed working dog show a dog that shows signs of having been worked is going to be frowned upon then where do we go from here? will lurchers turn into three types as they did with the greyhound? the showdog, the racing dog and lastly the coursing dog. why don't these people keep dogs that have already been ruined by the show craze? at shows now they even have classes for working dogs, are they not all supposed to be working dogs with the exception of the pups and veterans? look forward to hearing comments of real dogmen Ive done a fair bit of judging,and imo a dog with scars,shouldnt be penalised ,neither should he be rewarded ,he might just be a clumsy sod,as long as the marks on the dog dont in any way affect its working ability there is no problem,as to why some one would travel a great distance to buy a pup from a well known show winner ,I think it would be prudent of me to refrain from commenting,all you should be able to guarantee from such a dog is its general confirmation,in the field its "Handsome is as Handsome does "isnt it? Quote Link to post
whin 463 Posted April 1, 2007 Report Share Posted April 1, 2007 most show winners ive saw are not hard worked and are well muscled in summer were most hard working dogs keep healthy but not ripped till sep etc ,all showing is detremental to working dogs if taken serously non worker to non worker then the slopy slide of beer tent braggerand the summer hare catcher etc i think shows are for yun uns and well thats about it , i like my own kind who hautthe feilds a first light and late on with lamp moonlight whatever, Quote Link to post
minion 29 Posted April 1, 2007 Report Share Posted April 1, 2007 To be fair to judges, how are the ment to judge fairly at a lurcher show? There is no breed standard to use as a referance too. If they were judging say german shepards, there would be a specific breed standard to jusdge against but how can you judge a lurcher? It's not a job I would thank you for and too be honest I don't go to many shows. Quote Link to post
DUCKWING 302 Posted April 1, 2007 Report Share Posted April 1, 2007 RIGHT LADS , PIN YER EARS BACK .............. THERE SHOULD NEVER BE A STANDARD FOR A LURCHER OR TERRIER ........ SIMPLE AS !!!! THE ONLY STANDARD WE NEED IS THE WORKING FIELD ............... THE SHOWMEN ARE A BUNCH OF FECKIN FOOLS WHO , PICK OUT LITTLE BITS OF THE STANDARD AND EXAGERATE THEM TO THE POINT WHERE THEY BECOME CARTOON LIKE IN THEIR APPEARENCE , THIS HAS HAPPENED IN EVERYTHING FROM BIRDS TO DOGS .......... IVE HAD DOGS A LONG TIME AND NEVER SHOW ONE !! HOW MANY CAN SAY THAT ??? , IVE JUDGED AN ODD SHOW , AND YEP PUT UP WORKERS EVERYTIME I COULD , TO BE HONEST SHOWS MAKE ME SICK ....... AND I FEEL THAT IF THERE WAS NO MORE SHOWS THE WORKING TERRIER AND LURCHER WOULD BE BETTER OFF ........... WHO THE FECK WOULD PAY THOUSANDS FOR A TERRIER WHO WOULDNT WORK JUST SO HE COULD WIN A FEW 50p ROSETTES ??? AS ONE IRISH SO- CALLED TERRIERMAN .... HA ! ......... HAS DONE A FEW YRS BACK PERSONALLY I THINK ITS PATHETIC RANT OVER DUCKWING Quote Link to post
Phil Lloyd 10,738 Posted April 1, 2007 Report Share Posted April 1, 2007 (edited) Edited April 1, 2007 by CHALKWARREN Quote Link to post
DUCKWING 302 Posted April 1, 2007 Report Share Posted April 1, 2007 CHALKIE , THE ONLY TIME I USE A COTTON BUD ON ONE OF MY WORKING FERRETS .... IS TO ADMINISTER A BIT OF GEAR I USE TO GET RID OF SHEEP TICKS ........... BY THE WAY ............. YOU BEEN MANICURING THEM FERRETS CLAWS AS WELL ? ALL THE BEST DUCKWING :whistle: Quote Link to post
Guest grubygrafter Posted April 1, 2007 Report Share Posted April 1, 2007 Shows will not ruin the genuine lurcher.... or the genuine terrier. as long as there is work for the dogs there will be dogs bred with the qualities needed to do the job Quote Link to post
Phil Lloyd 10,738 Posted April 1, 2007 Report Share Posted April 1, 2007 (edited) Edited April 1, 2007 by CHALKWARREN Quote Link to post
luke 2 Posted April 1, 2007 Report Share Posted April 1, 2007 CHALKIE , THE ONLY TIME I USE A COTTON BUD ON ONE OF MY WORKING FERRETS .... IS TO ADMINISTER A BIT OF GEAR I USE TO GET RID OF SHEEP TICKS ........... BY THE WAY ............. YOU BEEN MANICURING THEM FERRETS CLAWS AS WELL ? ALL THE BEST DUCKWING :whistle: Ticks,..what are Ticks ?...We don't get anything like that in our cages... I always manicure the nails,..after all,..a nice neat foot is pleasing to the Judges eye,.plus it will save his hands from scratches that could so easily turn septic...I can see why you don't win any shows Just getting the ferret breeding hutches and spacious 'Courts' all organised for the show season,...the poor devils have been sitting around all Winter just waiting for the Summer... Hope to see you in the Ring,...oops,.Show ring I mean...not t'other fecker... Please note,...The green algae in the water bottles is really a 'coat enhancement'... i know what your up to mate youve got a market for ferret fur coats Quote Link to post
DUCKWING 302 Posted April 1, 2007 Report Share Posted April 1, 2007 (edited) ERMM CHALKIE , YOU CAN TELL YOU ARE FROM DOWN SARF ............ THERES NO RAZOR WIRE ON THE FENCE , AND NO LOCKS ON THE CAGES ........... FECKIN HELL THEY WOULDNT LAST TWO MINUTES AROUND THIS NECK OF THE WOODS LOVELY SET UP ALL THE SAME DUCKWING Edited April 1, 2007 by DUCKWING Quote Link to post
hairyface 211 Posted April 1, 2007 Report Share Posted April 1, 2007 thats a very smart set up youve got there chalkwarren, must be great to have that much room ...cheers hairyface Quote Link to post
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