pellet lodged

[Simoman 110]

I have to say not all those who run dogs are guilty of such an act but unfortunately for others there seems to be an attitude that poaching deer using dogs during the hours of darkness , on land they dont have permission to be on is an acceptable thing to do.

 

First and foremost its in non compliance of the law , causing suffering in the manner I describe in my post above. I think any true sportsman irrespective of the legal situation cannot but agree other than such actions are unacceptable, in my view any one who champions there cause otherwise cannot bring the hunting/stalking/shooting fraternity into a favorable light in any way shape or form. We all have views and consciences and personally I am somewhat at odds to those actions that cause suffering to what i see cruel.

 

Personally I do not find them acceptable.

Just my point of view of which i am entitled to,however not wishing to appear bigoted,if anyone can show me a different point of view that it is acceptable to those I hold. I am prepared to listen.

 

kind Regards

Stuart

 

Stu

 

I too hold the same views. As do a great many others. Hence the wide spread and growing antipathy as I mentioned earlier.

Although for me coursing deer is totally unjustifiable be it it daylight or under cover of darkness, whether the perpetrator /s have permission to be on the land or otherwise. Although a point to be remembered is that by granting permission renders the landowner liable for prosecution under the Hunting Act 2004.

 

I like you, if anyone can point me in the direction of an alternative POV that isn't based upon inaccuracies, has some basis other than its traditional that holds up under rigorous scrutiny. I'm prepared to listen.

 

I read Stuarts opinions and although i disagree with some points, i totally respect his opinion. Your posts appear to be generated more towards trying to show your perceived inteligence with an underlying sub text against dog lads, deer coursing and poachers but also what appears to be a love of the very organisations that and trying to ban ALL hunting. You claimed a while ago it was your last comment on the subject but i think you love the lads biting

 

You mention that there is a widespread and growing apathy (to deer coursing i assume), well for me and many others it is now historical, done and dusted but this "widespread apathy" is generally attributed to the general public who also appear to have a widespread apathy for almost anything that involes the killing of wildlife, and that includes stalking(which you approve of)? Im not going to try and justify poaching or lamping deer, both are and were illegal so i wont try and defend them. You say to YOU coursing deer in daylight on permission is "unjustifiable", thats your opinion and your entitled to it, but it doesn't make you right, as much as my opinion doesn't make me right. I have mentioned before, you could regale tales of injured deer after idiotic lurchermen have been out and i could do the same with stories about idiotic gunmen and injured animals, but it doesn't mean i tar all gunmen with the same brush and decry their sport. You say you are willing to listen to an alternative point of view that isn't based on innacuracies, well to be honest I get the feeling your views are fixed in cement, as are mine, and as its now a banned and historical sport, also the fact that neither your, or my opinion means diddly squat and wont change anything so arguing is a little redundent. I think we all know that the Hunting Act 2004 was a travisty of justice, organisations invested heavilty in pushingg the legislation through despite some of the findings.

What amazes me about some of the "general public" is that they will sit slack jawed watching a hyena pack disembowel and eat a live wildebeast, or eat intensively reared meat with no thoughts or compassion towards its welfare, mainly because its cheaper, they will also call hunters cruel as they stroke thheir morbidlly obese dog and feed there pet rabbit that spends its life in a 3x1 hutch.........

[Caprelous 217]

I have to say not all those who run dogs are guilty of such an act but unfortunately for others there seems to be an attitude that poaching deer using dogs during the hours of darkness , on land they dont have permission to be on is an acceptable thing to do.

 

First and foremost its in non compliance of the law , causing suffering in the manner I describe in my post above. I think any true sportsman irrespective of the legal situation cannot but agree other than such actions are unacceptable, in my view any one who champions there cause otherwise cannot bring the hunting/stalking/shooting fraternity into a favorable light in any way shape or form. We all have views and consciences and personally I am somewhat at odds to those actions that cause suffering to what i see cruel.

 

Personally I do not find them acceptable.

Just my point of view of which i am entitled to,however not wishing to appear bigoted,if anyone can show me a different point of view that it is acceptable to those I hold. I am prepared to listen.

 

kind Regards

Stuart

 

Stu

 

I too hold the same views. As do a great many others. Hence the wide spread and growing antipathy as I mentioned earlier.

Although for me coursing deer is totally unjustifiable be it it daylight or under cover of darkness, whether the perpetrator /s have permission to be on the land or otherwise. Although a point to be remembered is that by granting permission renders the landowner liable for prosecution under the Hunting Act 2004.

 

I like you, if anyone can point me in the direction of an alternative POV that isn't based upon inaccuracies, has some basis other than its traditional that holds up under rigorous scrutiny. I'm prepared to listen.

 

I read Stuarts opinions and although i disagree with some points, i totally respect his opinion. Your posts appear to be generated more towards trying to show your perceived inteligence with an underlying sub text against dog lads, deer coursing and poachers but also what appears to be a love of the very organisations that and trying to ban ALL hunting. You claimed a while ago it was your last comment on the subject but i think you love the lads biting

 

You mention that there is a widespread and growing apathy (to deer coursing i assume), well for me and many others it is now historical, done and dusted but this "widespread apathy" is generally attributed to the general public who also appear to have a widespread apathy for almost anything that involes the killing of wildlife, and that includes stalking(which you approve of)? Im not going to try and justify poaching or lamping deer, both are and were illegal so i wont try and defend them. You say to YOU coursing deer in daylight on permission is "unjustifiable", thats your opinion and your entitled to it, but it doesn't make you right, as much as my opinion doesn't make me right. I have mentioned before, you could regale tales of injured deer after idiotic lurchermen have been out and i could do the same with stories about idiotic gunmen and injured animals, but it doesn't mean i tar all gunmen with the same brush and decry their sport. You say you are willing to listen to an alternative point of view that isn't based on innacuracies, well to be honest I get the feeling your views are fixed in cement, as are mine, and as its now a banned and historical sport, also the fact that neither your, or my opinion means diddly squat and wont change anything so arguing is a little redundent. I think we all know that the Hunting Act 2004 was a travisty of justice, organisations invested heavilty in pushingg the legislation through despite some of the findings.

What amazes me about some of the "general public" is that they will sit slack jawed watching a hyena pack disembowel and eat a live wildebeast, or eat intensively reared meat with no thoughts or compassion towards its welfare, mainly because its cheaper, they will also call hunters cruel as they stroke thheir morbidlly obese dog and feed there pet rabbit that spends its life in a 3x1 hutch.........

 

A good and very fair point of view Simon most of your views here I would agree with but not all .and unfortunately for the Shooting Fraternity Joe public sees and make judgements on what it wishes to believe and we as the Shooting/hunting are in the minority so in future we do need to clean our act up in my view so that future generations can continue in our chosen sports.

And I agree with no one discipline is whiter than white we all need to clean our act up.

 

Kind regard

Stu

Edited November 21, 2011 by Caprelous

[bunnybasher69 56]

That's it I'm giving away my dogs, buying a gun and drinking my own pee.

[Caprelous 217]

That's it I'm giving away my dogs, buying a gun and drinking my own pee.

 

I dont drink piss mesen although one or two home brews i have concocted in the past me mates claim it tastes like it

But if your giving your mutt away and its geet a good nose on it and a set of false teeth i can take out of its gizzer when i am out with it i am in the market for a new dog

 

Is it any good at sniffing out half hitched high seats cos were i go i could do with a dog that can

Edited November 21, 2011 by Caprelous

[paulus 26]

the odd person on here sounds just like the bloke who sits in the corner of the pub every dinnertime on their own with their half pint of old perculiar and copy of the guardian having alienated themselves from everyone else due to their preconvieved superior intelect and unwillingness to accept anybody elses opinion but their own.

 

p.s. show us your bullx`s

[gerfalcon 13]

I have to say not all those who run dogs are guilty of such an act but unfortunately for others there seems to be an attitude that poaching deer using dogs during the hours of darkness , on land they dont have permission to be on is an acceptable thing to do.

 

First and foremost its in non compliance of the law , causing suffering in the manner I describe in my post above. I think any true sportsman irrespective of the legal situation cannot but agree other than such actions are unacceptable, in my view any one who champions there cause otherwise cannot bring the hunting/stalking/shooting fraternity into a favorable light in any way shape or form. We all have views and consciences and personally I am somewhat at odds to those actions that cause suffering to what i see cruel.

 

Personally I do not find them acceptable.

Just my point of view of which i am entitled to,however not wishing to appear bigoted,if anyone can show me a different point of view that it is acceptable to those I hold. I am prepared to listen.

 

kind Regards

Stuart

 

Stu

 

I too hold the same views. As do a great many others. Hence the wide spread and growing antipathy as I mentioned earlier.

Although for me coursing deer is totally unjustifiable be it it daylight or under cover of darkness, whether the perpetrator /s have permission to be on the land or otherwise. Although a point to be remembered is that by granting permission renders the landowner liable for prosecution under the Hunting Act 2004.

 

I like you, if anyone can point me in the direction of an alternative POV that isn't based upon inaccuracies, has some basis other than its traditional that holds up under rigorous scrutiny. I'm prepared to listen.

 

I read Stuarts opinions and although i disagree with some points, i totally respect his opinion. Your posts appear to be generated more towards trying to show your perceived inteligence with an underlying sub text against dog lads, deer coursing and poachers but also what appears to be a love of the very organisations that and trying to ban ALL hunting. You claimed a while ago it was your last comment on the subject but i think you love the lads biting

 

You mention that there is a widespread and growing apathy (to deer coursing i assume), well for me and many others it is now historical, done and dusted but this "widespread apathy" is generally attributed to the general public who also appear to have a widespread apathy for almost anything that involes the killing of wildlife, and that includes stalking(which you approve of)? Im not going to try and justify poaching or lamping deer, both are and were illegal so i wont try and defend them. You say to YOU coursing deer in daylight on permission is "unjustifiable", thats your opinion and your entitled to it, but it doesn't make you right, as much as my opinion doesn't make me right. I have mentioned before, you could regale tales of injured deer after idiotic lurchermen have been out and i could do the same with stories about idiotic gunmen and injured animals, but it doesn't mean i tar all gunmen with the same brush and decry their sport. You say you are willing to listen to an alternative point of view that isn't based on innacuracies, well to be honest I get the feeling your views are fixed in cement, as are mine, and as its now a banned and historical sport, also the fact that neither your, or my opinion means diddly squat and wont change anything so arguing is a little redundent. I think we all know that the Hunting Act 2004 was a travisty of justice, organisations invested heavilty in pushingg the legislation through despite some of the findings.

What amazes me about some of the "general public" is that they will sit slack jawed watching a hyena pack disembowel and eat a live wildebeast, or eat intensively reared meat with no thoughts or compassion towards its welfare, mainly because its cheaper, they will also call hunters cruel as they stroke thheir morbidlly obese dog and feed there pet rabbit that spends its life in a 3x1 hutch.........

 

 

Simon

 

I have no need to demonstrate my intelligence. I let the facts speak for themselves. Its true and I have made not attempt to disguise the fact that I hold deer coursers, poachers and some so called “dogmen” in extremely low regard. I always have and always will. I don’t support any blanket ban on all forms of hunting as you claim. I just support the ban on unethical, unjustifiable forms. Namely deer coursing! In regards making my last comment what I actually said was “I had just made the decision to say no more when you posted your comments. So I'll give this thread 1 more go around.” As I felt the post to which I was responding worthy of a reply and have continued to do so. How people respond to my posts or any other post for that matter is entirely up to them. If I consider what they post by way of reply worthy of a response I will endeavour to do so in an intelligent, polite, and meaningful way. With the odd touch, of humour, banter, and ridicule thrown in along the way for good measure.

 

 

In order to keep us on the right track I’ll need to correct you on what I actual posted again in order to ensure that any misconceptions, errors or misunderstandings, perceived or actual are addressed

“There is a high level of antipathy towards dogmen from a large cross section of society, who might or might not be unduly influenced by the bad press, and the marketing activities of the likes of the LACS and PETA. There is wide spread antipathy as well from other field sports participants who tend to be more reliably informed and less swayed by the AR hearts and minds marketing. “

So the apathy stems not just from the general bunny hugging public, but from many quarters including many other field sport participants. So you can’t blame it all on the urban organic is best, or inner city tower block resident who closest contact with the realities of the countryside is watching Countryfile on a Sunday because it comes on before X factor.

 

 

“You say to YOU coursing deer in daylight on permission is "unjustifiable", thats your opinion and your entitled to it, but it doesn't make you right, as much as my opinion doesn't make me right” Fortunately its not just me that holds that opinion. In this regard I don’t have to be right. Although I am! The majority says I am. The law say that I am and continued public opinion says that I am. Now you may disagree with all of those That is your right. It just doesn’t make you any the less wrong.

 

As for the Hunting Act 2004 being a travesty of justice. I would partially agree with you. Partially for the reason you state and fr a number of others. But the one shining triumph that came out of that whole mess was the banning of deer coursing! I’m a great believer in taking your wins when ever and where ever you can, and that was one resounding victory.

[gerfalcon 13]

That's it I'm giving away my dogs, buying a gun and drinking my own pee.

 

Might I suggest a slightly different order of actions

 

Give you dogs away, drink your own pee, then and only then think about buying a gun. You never know you might find you enjoy drinking your own pee and feel the gun is unnecessary for your continued enjoyment.

[Lab 10,979]

That's it I'm giving away my dogs, buying a gun and drinking my own pee.

Your patter is pish. Stick to being an annoying c**t....your very good at it.

 

Might I suggest a slightly different order of actions

 

Give you dogs away, drink your own pee, then and only then think about buying a gun. You never know you might find you enjoy drinking your own pee and feel the gun is unnecessary for your continued enjoyment.

[gerfalcon 13]

That's it I'm giving away my dogs, buying a gun and drinking my own pee.

 

I dont drink piss mesen although one or two home brews i have concocted in the past me mates claim it tastes like it

But if your giving your mutt away and its geet a good nose on it and a set of false teeth i can take out of its gizzer when i am out with it i am in the market for a new dog

 

Is it any good at sniffing out half hitched high seats cos were i go i could do with a dog that can

 

Stu

 

I might know of a youngish BMH soon to looking for a new home. Its current owner may well not have any further use for it if his local police authority find he's not suitable to continue to hold a FAC following their ongoing investigations and review.

 

A nods as good as a wink to a blind man mate.

[Simoman 110]

I have to say not all those who run dogs are guilty of such an act but unfortunately for others there seems to be an attitude that poaching deer using dogs during the hours of darkness , on land they dont have permission to be on is an acceptable thing to do.

 

First and foremost its in non compliance of the law , causing suffering in the manner I describe in my post above. I think any true sportsman irrespective of the legal situation cannot but agree other than such actions are unacceptable, in my view any one who champions there cause otherwise cannot bring the hunting/stalking/shooting fraternity into a favorable light in any way shape or form. We all have views and consciences and personally I am somewhat at odds to those actions that cause suffering to what i see cruel.

 

Personally I do not find them acceptable.

Just my point of view of which i am entitled to,however not wishing to appear bigoted,if anyone can show me a different point of view that it is acceptable to those I hold. I am prepared to listen.

 

kind Regards

Stuart

 

Stu

 

I too hold the same views. As do a great many others. Hence the wide spread and growing antipathy as I mentioned earlier.

Although for me coursing deer is totally unjustifiable be it it daylight or under cover of darkness, whether the perpetrator /s have permission to be on the land or otherwise. Although a point to be remembered is that by granting permission renders the landowner liable for prosecution under the Hunting Act 2004.

 

I like you, if anyone can point me in the direction of an alternative POV that isn't based upon inaccuracies, has some basis other than its traditional that holds up under rigorous scrutiny. I'm prepared to listen.

 

I read Stuarts opinions and although i disagree with some points, i totally respect his opinion. Your posts appear to be generated more towards trying to show your perceived inteligence with an underlying sub text against dog lads, deer coursing and poachers but also what appears to be a love of the very organisations that and trying to ban ALL hunting. You claimed a while ago it was your last comment on the subject but i think you love the lads biting

 

You mention that there is a widespread and growing apathy (to deer coursing i assume), well for me and many others it is now historical, done and dusted but this "widespread apathy" is generally attributed to the general public who also appear to have a widespread apathy for almost anything that involes the killing of wildlife, and that includes stalking(which you approve of)? Im not going to try and justify poaching or lamping deer, both are and were illegal so i wont try and defend them. You say to YOU coursing deer in daylight on permission is "unjustifiable", thats your opinion and your entitled to it, but it doesn't make you right, as much as my opinion doesn't make me right. I have mentioned before, you could regale tales of injured deer after idiotic lurchermen have been out and i could do the same with stories about idiotic gunmen and injured animals, but it doesn't mean i tar all gunmen with the same brush and decry their sport. You say you are willing to listen to an alternative point of view that isn't based on innacuracies, well to be honest I get the feeling your views are fixed in cement, as are mine, and as its now a banned and historical sport, also the fact that neither your, or my opinion means diddly squat and wont change anything so arguing is a little redundent. I think we all know that the Hunting Act 2004 was a travisty of justice, organisations invested heavilty in pushingg the legislation through despite some of the findings.

What amazes me about some of the "general public" is that they will sit slack jawed watching a hyena pack disembowel and eat a live wildebeast, or eat intensively reared meat with no thoughts or compassion towards its welfare, mainly because its cheaper, they will also call hunters cruel as they stroke thheir morbidlly obese dog and feed there pet rabbit that spends its life in a 3x1 hutch.........

 

 

Simon

 

I have no need to demonstrate my intelligence. I let the facts speak for themselves. Its true and I have made not attempt to disguise the fact that I hold deer coursers, poachers and some so called “dogmen” in extremely low regard. I always have and always will. I don’t support any blanket ban on all forms of hunting as you claim. I just support the ban on unethical, unjustifiable forms. Namely deer coursing! In regards making my last comment what I actually said was “I had just made the decision to say no more when you posted your comments. So I'll give this thread 1 more go around.” As I felt the post to which I was responding worthy of a reply and have continued to do so. How people respond to my posts or any other post for that matter is entirely up to them. If I consider what they post by way of reply worthy of a response I will endeavour to do so in an intelligent, polite, and meaningful way. With the odd touch, of humour, banter, and ridicule thrown in along the way for good measure.

 

 

In order to keep us on the right track I’ll need to correct you on what I actual posted again in order to ensure that any misconceptions, errors or misunderstandings, perceived or actual are addressed

“There is a high level of antipathy towards dogmen from a large cross section of society, who might or might not be unduly influenced by the bad press, and the marketing activities of the likes of the LACS and PETA. There is wide spread antipathy as well from other field sports participants who tend to be more reliably informed and less swayed by the AR hearts and minds marketing. “

So the apathy stems not just from the general bunny hugging public, but from many quarters including many other field sport participants. So you can’t blame it all on the urban organic is best, or inner city tower block resident who closest contact with the realities of the countryside is watching Countryfile on a Sunday because it comes on before X factor.

 

 

“You say to YOU coursing deer in daylight on permission is "unjustifiable", thats your opinion and your entitled to it, but it doesn't make you right, as much as my opinion doesn't make me right” Fortunately its not just me that holds that opinion. In this regard I don’t have to be right. Although I am! The majority says I am. The law say that I am and continued public opinion says that I am. Now you may disagree with all of those That is your right. It just doesn’t make you any the less wrong.

 

As for the Hunting Act 2004 being a travesty of justice. I would partially agree with you. Partially for the reason you state and fr a number of others. But the one shining triumph that came out of that whole mess was the banning of deer coursing! I’m a great believer in taking your wins when ever and where ever you can, and that was one resounding victory.

 

Again, unethical and unjustifiable in YOUR opinion,and many others perhaps, yet ethical and justifiable in many others. I also think the humour and banter has been replaced by more of a sermon, although i'll grant you it does have ridicule Would you be happy to throw other fieldsports to the dogs so to speak if it saves your own chosen sport? A lot of your posts seem like grandstanding? What if some fellow fieldsports enthusiasts don't like the idea of intensively rearing pheasants only to release them on keepered land for the shoot, and dont like injured birds, or stock ponds rearing fish for the lakes and rivers only to have a hook placed in their mouth on numerous occasions? I would like to think we all appreciate and understand other types of sport an the worst case scenarios or arguments for and against them. You didn't like one particular sport, and i respect that, but your mentioning of taking your wins when ever and where ever comes across like you are on the side of those we fought against so hard against, thats what i can't understand..........

 

 

 

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[Simoman 110]

Back to the orginal post, i think we all agree only a cnut shoots a deer with an air gun

[paulus 26]

Back to the orginal post, i think we all agree only a cnut shoots a deer with an air gun

amen to that

[Caprelous 217]

Back to the orginal post, i think we all agree only a cnut shoots a deer with an air gun

Correction only a stupid cruel uneducated cnut of disputed parentage who has no consideration or concern for his quarry and needs to be brought to account for his her.their actions, I think I did say words to that effect in a more polite way in my initial reply to the OP. though.

 

Stu

[MickyB 327]

GERFALCON

they've stopped the dogs because its "cruel and inhumane" not that i like to bring this up but you can still hunt hare and fox with BOPs, Whats the difference?

And what happens when they come for the rods and reels or even YOUR GUN! would you still support their veiws then because a majority beleive its not fair because if you go to any city where the majority of people live and never seen anything to hunting (apart from whats portrayed in the media) the opinion will be the same.. anti! The anti-hunting organisations think its all inhumane and would be happy to condem it all its in the name ANTI-HUNTING all this while as simoman says stroking their fat dogs and eating knackered chicken that can barely stand when it time for slaughter.

Personally i dont class you a hunter you cant appreciate it, your just a shooter!

atb Micky

[predatorman 54]

just my opinion, i find it incredible that a deer had 4 airrifle pellets in its body, i think the airgunner would have to be within 30yds to penetrate the hide with a legal limit gun making this the most dopey deer i've heard of to be able to allow a hunter to get so close to be shot on numerous occasions? must of been king of the stalkers lol. a bit of jackanory me thinks but it soups up a "shot a poor conditioned beast story" i suppose. i myself am a shooter, i also used to hunt roe deer with lurchers, i know which i would rather be doing if it was still legal. at the end of the day, i feel roe deer will always be taken with lurchers, legal or not, like it or not and long may it continue.