AUDREY VS FURY

[Plong 21]

Can someone please tell me what Audley has done to deserve a shot at the British and Commenwelth titles? Having watched most of his fights there has only been one exciting momment in all of his fights and that was his win over a journyman in Michael Sprott. I can't belive after all the rubbish fights hes been in people still get caught up by all the hype. I did tweet him the other day to ask him why when there's at least 5 british heavyweights who I think would beat him he deserve's a title shot before the likes of Price, Chisora, Towers, Sexton, McDermott, Barrett, he failed to reply.

Edited November 17, 2011 by Plong

[yorkshirehunter 27]

Can someone please tell me what Audley has done to deserve a shot at the British and Commenwelth titles? Having watched most of his fights there has only been one exciting momment in all of his fights and that was his win over a journyman in Michael Sprott. I can't belive after all the rubbish fights hes been in people still get caught up by all the hype. I did tweet him the other day to ask him why when there's at least 5 british heavyweights who I think would beat him he deserve's a title shot before the likes of Price, Chisora, Towers, Sexton, McDermott, Barrett, he failed to reply.

audrey you mean pal ,hes a plum isnt he couldnt fight sleep

[gnasher16 30,095]

His defence did not look great when he faced Maidana, a noted puncher thats why many people started doubting he was clean. It doe's not help when you go to a gym where other fighters that have trained there start saying steriods where been used by fighters in that gym.

 

Think your a bit hung up on this whole steroids thing mate.......why would Khan go to a gym on the other side of the world to take steroids,he could do that in his bedroom if he wanted !.....what he couldnt do in his bedroom is dip into the knowledge and talent of one of the worlds best trainers,which is my guess why he went there.....his defence looked a lot better,not perfect but far better than his backing up in straight lines,walking in square at the shoulders like he did with Prescott.

 

Incidentally.......id love to know what these steroids are that enable you to take a better punch ? what are they ?............Steroids can give an edge in performance,they are not a magic potion that turns everything bad into good.

[Plong 21]

Steriods improve your strengh which in turn allows you to take a better punch, I don't think you relize the differnce steriods make, I have trained in gyms both combat and fitness gyms for around 20 years, I know people who both take and sell steriods. You get young lads coming in gyms that cannot bench 40kgs within 6 months of taking steriods there benching 100kgs+, these are lads that are not athletes but through taking steriods they become stronger than guys that natural athletes. Why do you think guys like Roy Jones & James Toney guys who started as middleweights where able to fight at heavyweight and take the shots Toney had 10 fights at heavyweight. Both have tested positive, Toney twice. This is despite the fact the only drug testing in boxing is carried out after the fight which is usless as athletics and cycling found out. You only catching probably less than 10% by testing this way. Fighters should face randem testing like other sports, to pretend these american based fighters that are moving through the weight divisions are all clean is daft.

[gnasher16 30,095]

Plong,i dont mean to sound a dick but ive been a gym owner around 12 years.....3 different well established gyms over the years used by a good standard of lifter both clean and juice.....without sounding like im blowing my own horn ive had plenty experience in both the boxing game and competetive bodybuilding after that,enough to say i think i know a little about the fitness game

Firstly you say steroids improve your strength....they dont !.....if you take steroids but dont continually lift heavier and heavier weights ( progressive resistance being a clue ),eat the correct diet,get the appropriate rest......you will gain nothing strength size or otherwise!....i say again,steroids are NOT a magic potion they are a helping hand......the fact you admitted yourself you didnt know what doses of a substance you was taking suggests to me you know a little about the juice,but not a lot ......incidentally,there are NO muscles on your jaw that are going to make you able to take a better punch....theres an old saying " you can put Julian Clary on steroids it wont make him any more of a man "......again,if you was to learn a little about the pros and cons of steroids you would understand what im saying...but hey thats for you to figure out.....

The young lads you refer to are the product of bad gym etiquette,bad advice and exploitation of the weak and naive...........any decent bodybuilding gym worth a carrot will not entertain a youngster getting onto the gear and any wanker selling stuff to young lads dont have any place being around gyms...........no man should enter into using steroids without first having reached close to his natural genetic limit naturally first,this cant be done as a youngster as a mans peak of physical strength does not come until the mid 30,s.....while we know theres lads plenty younger than that using up and down the country many are doing so with no knowledge of what they are doing,and thats not the way a gym or gym owner gains respect......now while i dont have much involvement in the day to day running of the buiseness anymore i still keep a foot in the door and wont sell out on whats the correct way of doing things for any little shithead with a medical bag

As regards the boxers you mention i dont know them so cant comment on their situation,maybe you do know them.......but theres plenty ways to gain weight without steroids and plenty reasons to take steroids without needing to gain weight.....the fact these fighters slipped up may be absolutely nothing to do with the fact they went up weight divisions..........as regards the testing your preaching to the converted but as we all know,with greater understanding and knowledge,theres ways around most things these days.

Edited November 19, 2011 by gnasher16

[yorkshirehunter 27]

gnasher tell me how to put some weight on im 27 10 stone and built like a hull prison rolly ,i try like f**k to eat but just i shit it out it really pisses me of some days i keep active ,but im unfit and still cant put it on i eat takeawy full of fat crap and drink more cups of tea than a cowboy builder ,give me a good starting plan cheers yorkie

Edited November 20, 2011 by yorkshirehunter

[Plong 21]

Gnasher if you have good core strengh you will take a punch better most fighters get stopped because there legs give up on them. Other thing it's usually the gym owners selling the gear in the smaller gyms, I know 2 in my town where I can walk in and buy them other the counter if I wished one where if you pay a fiver they will inject it for you both steriods and some pain killer which allows you to do more reps also avaliable are diet pills which are not legal in the UK. Fact is a lot of small gyms are owned by guys that are body builders so don't have a problem with steriods. Other point where not talking about Julian Clary were talking about pro fighters in America where a lot of states don't even test for steriods. When you look at Roy Jones and Shane Mosley both classed as modern day legends of the sport both moved through the weights both failed drug tests, theres now doubts about Holyfield as well. Fact that combat sports in America don't really test for steriods yet so many fighters are getting caught using them is a worry and will end up tainting the sport for years like what's happened in sprinting and cycling. Fact that Pacman refused to have prefight test's because he's scared of needles I find unreal in alot of other sports he would have no choice. It's already put me off UFC when Brock Lesnar became champion a guy with a history of steriod abuse.

[DUCKWING 302]

FURYS MAJOR PROBLEM ,,,,,, AS WITH HIS OLD MANS........ WILL BE HIS STRENGTH OF MIND

 

DUCKWING

[gnasher16 30,095]

Gnasher if you have good core strengh you will take a punch better most fighters get stopped because there legs give up on them. Other thing it's usually the gym owners selling the gear in the smaller gyms, I know 2 in my town where I can walk in and buy them other the counter if I wished one where if you pay a fiver they will inject it for you both steriods and some pain killer which allows you to do more reps also avaliable are diet pills which are not legal in the UK. Fact is a lot of small gyms are owned by guys that are body builders so don't have a problem with steriods. Other point where not talking about Julian Clary were talking about pro fighters in America where a lot of states don't even test for steriods. When you look at Roy Jones and Shane Mosley both classed as modern day legends of the sport both moved through the weights both failed drug tests, theres now doubts about Holyfield as well. Fact that combat sports in America don't really test for steriods yet so many fighters are getting caught using them is a worry and will end up tainting the sport for years like what's happened in sprinting and cycling. Fact that Pacman refused to have prefight test's because he's scared of needles I find unreal in alot of other sports he would have no choice. It's already put me off UFC when Brock Lesnar became champion a guy with a history of steriod abuse.

 

Core strength will make you take a better punch ....ive seen lads coming into gyms wanting to lump up to work on doors etc....many have very good core strength naturally without lifting weights...they then improve their strength by lifting weights,go stand on a door on a friday night and get knocked spark out because in their own mind they think because they have far above average strength they can take a punch.............ive seen it too may times......i think you underestimate what a correct defense can do for a boxer,Amir Khan is a perfect example......to folk who know what they are looking at its obvious to see the difference in his footwork,the way he now rolls with the punches,the way he shifts his weight when under attack......thats products of good technical ability learned from a top trainer.....to folk who dont know what they are looking at.....it must be steroids !!!

If you decide to put yourself in low end gyms and take advice off folk with no idea what they are doing then maybe you will find out the hard way......me i dont know any gym owners who need to fleece a few naive young kids for a few bob at the expense of their gym,their reputation or the risk of getting nicked.......the lad above has just asked me a question on gaining weight.............................well its easy mate,continue your normal life as your doing,but just add a few steroids ...its that simple according to Plong !

 

Did i read that right,painkillers allow you to do more reps .......you can lead a horse to water but you cant make it drink,i guess some folk just gotta learn the hard way.Best of luck in your training.

Edited November 20, 2011 by gnasher16

[yorkshirehunter 27]

Gnasher if you have good core strengh you will take a punch better most fighters get stopped because there legs give up on them. Other thing it's usually the gym owners selling the gear in the smaller gyms, I know 2 in my town where I can walk in and buy them other the counter if I wished one where if you pay a fiver they will inject it for you both steriods and some pain killer which allows you to do more reps also avaliable are diet pills which are not legal in the UK. Fact is a lot of small gyms are owned by guys that are body builders so don't have a problem with steriods. Other point where not talking about Julian Clary were talking about pro fighters in America where a lot of states don't even test for steriods. When you look at Roy Jones and Shane Mosley both classed as modern day legends of the sport both moved through the weights both failed drug tests, theres now doubts about Holyfield as well. Fact that combat sports in America don't really test for steriods yet so many fighters are getting caught using them is a worry and will end up tainting the sport for years like what's happened in sprinting and cycling. Fact that Pacman refused to have prefight test's because he's scared of needles I find unreal in alot of other sports he would have no choice. It's already put me off UFC when Brock Lesnar became champion a guy with a history of steriod abuse.

 

Core strength will make you take a better punch ....ive seen lads coming into gyms wanting to lump up to work on doors etc....many have very good core strength naturally without lifting weights...they then improve their strength by lifting weights,go stand on a door on a friday night and get knocked spark out because in their own mind they think because they have far above average strength they can take a punch.............ive seen it too may times......i think you underestimate what a correct defense can do for a boxer,Amir Khan is a perfect example......to folk who know what they are looking at its obvious to see the difference in his footwork,the way he now rolls with the punches,the way he shifts his weight when under attack......thats products of good technical ability learned from a top trainer.....to folk who dont know what they are looking at.....it must be steroids !!!

If you decide to put yourself in low end gyms and take advice off folk with no idea what they are doing then maybe you will find out the hard way......me i dont know any gym owners who need to fleece a few naive young kids for a few bob at the expense of their gym,their reputation or the risk of getting nicked.......the lad above has just asked me a question on gaining weight.............................well its easy mate,continue your normal life as your doing,but just add a few steroids ...its that simple according to Plong !

 

Did i read that right,painkillers allow you to do more reps .......you can lead a horse to water but you cant make it drink,i guess some folk just gotta learn the hard way.Best of luck in your training.

i was being serious pal i dont want juice pal ,and yes painkillers made me laugh aswell ,going back to the boxing naseem hamed ws the same as kahn moved the legs and shifted the weight they is toomany folk who believe juice turns the village weakling into mr muscle ,all the juice is water retention ???

[mexlad 189]

Steriods improve your strengh which in turn allows you to take a better punch, I don't think you relize the differnce steriods make, I have trained in gyms both combat and fitness gyms for around 20 years, I know people who both take and sell steriods. You get young lads coming in gyms that cannot bench 40kgs within 6 months of taking steriods there benching 100kgs+, these are lads that are not athletes but through taking steriods they become stronger than guys that natural athletes. Why do you think guys like Roy Jones & James Toney guys who started as middleweights where able to fight at heavyweight and take the shots Toney had 10 fights at heavyweight. Both have tested positive, Toney twice. This is despite the fact the only drug testing in boxing is carried out after the fight which is usless as athletics and cycling found out. You only catching probably less than 10% by testing this way. Fighters should face randem testing like other sports, to pretend these american based fighters that are moving through the weight divisions are all clean is daft.

Steriods improve your strengh which in turn allows you to take a better punch, I don't think you relize the differnce steriods make, I have trained in gyms both combat and fitness gyms for around 20 years, I know people who both take and sell steriods. You get young lads coming in gyms that cannot bench 40kgs within 6 months of taking steriods there benching 100kgs+, these are lads that are not athletes but through taking steriods they become stronger than guys that natural athletes. Why do you think guys like Roy Jones & James Toney guys who started as middleweights where able to fight at heavyweight and take the shots Toney had 10 fights at heavyweight. Both have tested positive, Toney twice. This is despite the fact the only drug testing in boxing is carried out after the fight which is usless as athletics and cycling found out. You only catching probably less than 10% by testing this way. Fighters should face randem testing like other sports, to pretend these american based fighters that are moving through the weight divisions are all clean is daft.

 

cant put muscle on your chin pal

[gnasher16 30,095]

i was being serious pal i dont want juice pal ,and yes painkillers made me laugh aswell ,going back to the boxing naseem hamed ws the same as kahn moved the legs and shifted the weight they is toomany folk who believe juice turns the village weakling into mr muscle ,all the juice is water retention ???

 

Different steroids do different things.....different ways of stacking,different pct,s.....for different aims......its a massive field of learning and knowledge far too involved and complicated to get into on here.....it just makes me laugh the way folk with very little experience or understanding have this outlook of a simple magic formula....

 

Just start with basics mate,eat more healthily,exercise more....but most of all find an activity you enjoy that gets you active enough to encourage healthy living......see how far that takes you and go from there.

[fazza123 516]

His defence did not look great when he faced Maidana, a noted puncher thats why many people started doubting he was clean. It doe's not help when you go to a gym where other fighters that have trained there start saying steriods where been used by fighters in that gym.

 

Think your a bit hung up on this whole steroids thing mate.......why would Khan go to a gym on the other side of the world to take steroids,he could do that in his bedroom if he wanted !.....what he couldnt do in his bedroom is dip into the knowledge and talent of one of the worlds best trainers,which is my guess why he went there.....his defence looked a lot better,not perfect but far better than his backing up in straight lines,walking in square at the shoulders like he did with Prescott.

 

Incidentally.......id love to know what these steroids are that enable you to take a better punch ? what are they ?............Steroids can give an edge in performance,they are not a magic potion that turns everything bad into good.

I think you are going to the wrong places for your steds mate ! PM me and ill sort some that will make you take a train head on!!

[Plong 21]

Gnasher, sorry you have a good knowledge about boxing but you know little about the training or the use of drugs in sport, if steriods made so little differnce do you really think sportsmen woud risk there carriers taking them. As for bringing doorman into the argument 90% of them are puffs, they think lifting heavyweights makes you hard and don't have a clue how to through a punch. A lot of them are 20 year old lads just there for the birds and get straight on the radio for the police when it kicks off. Gnasher some of the top UK bodybuilders use painkillers to push more reps mainly when working the legs, for a guy who owns a gym you seem to no little about what people take.

[yorkshirehunter 27]

Gnasher, sorry you have a good knowledge about boxing but you know little about the training or the use of drugs in sport, if steriods made so little differnce do you really think sportsmen woud risk there carriers taking them. As for bringing doorman into the argument 90% of them are puffs, they think lifting heavyweights makes you hard and don't have a clue how to through a punch. A lot of them are 20 year old lads just there for the birds and get straight on the radio for the police when it kicks off. Gnasher some of the top UK bodybuilders use painkillers to push more reps mainly when working the legs, for a guy who owns a gym you seem to no little about what people take.

what painkillers ??? i no loads of lads who train but this is a new one to them