Bogger 243 Posted November 23, 2011 Report Share Posted November 23, 2011 saucer of milk because you were being bitchy bit of home favourite crept in with benn i think calzaghe cant help the fact he was a sheep worrier i think the same think will happen to him when/if he faces mckenzie he cant half bang Wasnt being bitchy just saying what i thought....naturally id favour him being a West Ham boy but i genuinely think its a 50/50 fight both at their best.....trouble is Calzaghe wouldnt fight dangerous opponents at their best so all nil and void suppose so,wouldve bin some cracking fights its a shame well never know is frank buglioni local to you hes just started out as a pro 2 wins from 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Attack Fell Terrier 864 Posted November 23, 2011 Report Share Posted November 23, 2011 Im inclined to agree as regards Calzaghe v either Eubank or Collins......Eubank was the kind of fighter who liked to take rests during rounds and struggled when the fight wasnt fought at his pace,Calzaghes biggest quality was his workrate,he could fight 3 minutes of every round at a hard pace so for me Calzaghe would beat Eubank 9 out of 10 times,probably clearer than he did beat him as his style changed over the years......I dont think he would have knocked him out as Eubank had a chin of granite and Joe wasnt known for his punch power.....Collins i dont think would have been able to surprise him with anything either he was a good solid fighter but again Calzaghe for me would have just completely outworked him over 12 rounds. Nigel Benn i think would have been more of a 50/50 fight.....im not sure Calzaghe would have been able to deal with his sheer intensity.........I think Calzaghe would again have outworked him,possibly outfought him......but he wouldnt have broken his heart and you know Benns just going to keep walking you down and of course his power would have to be respected.......would have been a very interesting fight thats for sure....id stick with Benn though if push came to shove. Its just a shame Calzaghe waited for so many big name fighters to get old before fighting them....he should go down as an all time great British fighter but its so hard to judge his career when he placed more emphasis on an unbeaten record than fighting and beating the best. Who did he wait for? There was no one to fight at Super Middle bar Sven Ottke and he didn't want to know unless the fight was completely on his terms. Hopkins was at Middle and done nothing but mess about in negotiations, and to be fair looking at how Hopkins performed after he fought Joe I think it's unfair to say he was washed up when Joe beat him. Roy Jones was content at Light Heavy beating nobodies and didn't really think Calzaghe would make for a big fight in the USA. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,382 Posted November 23, 2011 Report Share Posted November 23, 2011 (edited) suppose so,wouldve bin some cracking fights its a shame well never know is frank buglioni local to you hes just started out as a pro 2 wins from 2 He is yes,i watched him as a kid he boxed for the local club Waltham Forest then moved to Repton he,s a good prospect hasnt got out the first round yet as a pro....i watched him spar Billy Joe Saunders a few months back and it would be fair to say there was nothing between them though Frank had some size on him admittedly ....He,s being trained by Jimmy Tibbs son Mark who in my opinion will prove to be one of the top trainers in the country over the coming years so the kid has every chance Edited November 23, 2011 by gnasher16 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
brookie 1,193 Posted November 23, 2011 Report Share Posted November 23, 2011 saucer of milk because you were being bitchy bit of home favourite crept in with benn i think calzaghe cant help the fact he was a sheep worrier i think the same think will happen to him when/if he faces mckenzie he cant half bang Wasnt being bitchy just saying what i thought....naturally id favour him being a West Ham boy but i genuinely think its a 50/50 fight both at their best.....trouble is Calzaghe wouldnt fight dangerous opponents at their best so all nil and void who would you say joe wouldnt fight at theyre best gnash . i know joe and his dad enzo quite well .i was never aware of him ever dodging any one ,quite the opposite really being in wales he never had any favours done him .joe had an immpecable amateur record and oozed class from the moment he turned pro . he was the complete package thats why he never lost and the london crowd steered well clear of him .with all respect to michael watson ,he just never had the tools to trouble joe the same would apply to eubank , benn was a warrior we know but he wouldnt have beaten joe his defence and fitness would have let him down against joe . joe was a fitness fanatic and the heart and will power of a champion ,nigels lifestyle was always suspect and when he was in a true test he would get frustrated and leave himself wide open coming in. you might say that joe took fighters at the end of theyre careers but then nigel beat a washed up barkley and dewitt as well .joe did destroy lacey when lacey was at his best and widely rated in the states as the next leonard ,he really destroyed lacey so much that lacey is a shadow of the fighter he was .he beat a very very good fighter in kessler , and defended his title many a time going the distance with one hand , and struggling with the weight which made his performance all the more impressive . at the time nigel beat mc clelland i thought it the best ever performance by a british fighter ,although mc clelland looked small going into the fight. a fight i rate better than that now was joes fight against lacey and its the way he totally destroyed lacey that convinces me he would have inflicted the same kind of beating to nigel , whatever peoples opinion of joe he will go down in history as one of the great world champions because he retired undefeated and two time world champion . the others will be best remembered for a few domestic tear ups , no one can accurately say that so and so wouldnt fight so and so at such and such a time ,because you just would never know what was being aired or discussed between promoters at any given time and each trainer when hes got a prospect is going to try and plot the best course for his fighter , which enzo did to perfection with joe , but joe would never dodge anybody , i know a few dodged him 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,382 Posted November 23, 2011 Report Share Posted November 23, 2011 Who did he wait for? There was no one to fight at Super Middle bar Sven Ottke and he didn't want to know unless the fight was completely on his terms. Hopkins was at Middle and done nothing but mess about in negotiations, and to be fair looking at how Hopkins performed after he fought Joe I think it's unfair to say he was washed up when Joe beat him. Roy Jones was content at Light Heavy beating nobodies and didn't really think Calzaghe would make for a big fight in the USA. I used to say the same thing your saying mate.....till a few years back when it was pointed out to me Calzaghes actual fight record.....it astounded me so much i wrote it down ! These are all of the " notable " opponents he boxed. Roy Jones aged 39 Bernard Hopkins aged 43 Byron Mitchell aged 30 Charles Brewer aged 33 Richie Woodhall aged 33 ( last fight of his career ) Chris Eubank aged 32 ( second last fight of his career ) Those are the " big name " fighters he fought..... Then you have defenses against unheard of fighters on a world scale such as.... Evans Ashira aged 36 Mario Veit aged 32 Omar Sheika ( 30/11 record...Journeyman at best ) Branko Sobot (19/11 record ) and plenty more of the same...............Lacey was probably Calzaghes best ever win and he has been proven not to be quite the fighter we all thought he was....id go as far as to say Kessler was his only true genuine title defense..........As fans of boxing its a crying shame we never got to see just how good Calzaghe really was. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,382 Posted November 23, 2011 Report Share Posted November 23, 2011 (edited) Brookie take a look at some of his record mate.....and try saying hand on heart he fought the best fighters out there in their prime ??? Im not knocking him as a fighter,he may have beaten Benn he may not its a 50/50 fight for me.............i just think it was a tragic shame for boxing and British boxing fans he valued his unbeaten record so much more than he valued proving he was the best boxer in the world....................in all honesty i possibly hold a tiny grudge against him if truth be told,i never forgot what he said about the Benn/Eubank/Watson wars when he said " i would never take a fight like that "................that kind of summed up the competetive spirit of the man for me and i know for a fact at least 2 of those 3 fighters thought it was in poor taste....... But you make some valid points and its the talking points and controversy years later that make these fighters what they were. Edited November 23, 2011 by gnasher16 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LAZYBSTARD 225 Posted November 23, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2011 (edited) Who did he wait for? There was no one to fight at Super Middle bar Sven Ottke and he didn't want to know unless the fight was completely on his terms. Hopkins was at Middle and done nothing but mess about in negotiations, and to be fair looking at how Hopkins performed after he fought Joe I think it's unfair to say he was washed up when Joe beat him. Roy Jones was content at Light Heavy beating nobodies and didn't really think Calzaghe would make for a big fight in the USA. I used to say the same thing your saying mate.....till a few years back when it was pointed out to me Calzaghes actual fight record.....it astounded me so much i wrote it down ! These are all of the " notable " opponents he boxed. Roy Jones aged 39 Bernard Hopkins aged 43 Byron Mitchell aged 30 Charles Brewer aged 33 Richie Woodhall aged 33 ( last fight of his career ) Chris Eubank aged 32 ( second last fight of his career ) Those are the " big name " fighters he fought..... Then you have defenses against unheard of fighters on a world scale such as.... Evans Ashira aged 36 Mario Veit aged 32 Omar Sheika ( 30/11 record...Journeyman at best ) Branko Sobot (19/11 record ) and plenty more of the same...............Lacey was probably Calzaghes best ever win and he has been proven not to be quite the fighter we all thought he was....id go as far as to say Kessler was his only true genuine title defense..........As fans of boxing its a crying shame we never got to see just how good Calzaghe really was. break it down as much as you like gnasher joe has a record second to none at the end of his career nobody wanted to fight him an early on in this topic you said age dosnt realy matter when i said collins was three years older than eubanks after you said eubanks was washed up so i think joe calzaghe stands head an shoulder above any british boxer ever Edited November 23, 2011 by LAZYBSTARD 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LAZYBSTARD 225 Posted November 23, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2011 gnasher if fury was to fight rogan what do you think the result would be a part from a backword step Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,382 Posted November 23, 2011 Report Share Posted November 23, 2011 break it down as much as you like gnasher joe has a record second to none at the end of his career nobody wanted to fight him an early on in this topic you said age dosnt realy matter when i said collins was three years older than eubanks after you said eubanks was washed up so i think joe calzaghe stands head an shoulder above any british boxer ever Its one thing to fight a few fighters on the slide....but another thing when near every big name on your record is on the slide..... Best ever....thats a bold statement but your entitled to your opinion.....personally id put Jimmy Wilde,Ted kid Lewis,Randy Turpin,Ken Buchanan,Bob Fitzimmons,Driscoll and probably a few others up there alongside if not infront...........simply because they didnt fear losing a fight or an unbeaten record and tested themself to the limit of their ability.....i dont think Calzaghe was ever fully tested to his limit......not saying im right and you boys are wrong,just an opinion like Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LAZYBSTARD 225 Posted November 23, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2011 (edited) break it down as much as you like gnasher joe has a record second to none at the end of his career nobody wanted to fight him an early on in this topic you said age dosnt realy matter when i said collins was three years older than eubanks after you said eubanks was washed up so i think joe calzaghe stands head an shoulder above any british boxer ever Its one thing to fight a few fighters on the slide....but another thing when near every big name on your record is on the slide..... Best ever....thats a bold statement but your entitled to your opinion.....personally id put Jimmy Wilde,Ted kid Lewis,Randy Turpin,Ken Buchanan,Bob Fitzimmons,Driscoll and probably a few others up there alongside if not infront...........simply because they didnt fear losing a fight or an unbeaten record and tested themself to the limit of their ability.....i dont think Calzaghe was ever fully tested to his limit......not saying im right and you boys are wrong,just an opinion like ni gnasher you cant be claiming lewis hes a canadian and all them other fighters were before your time 50 years down the line there will be another gnasher shouting about how great the late joe calzaghe was Edited November 23, 2011 by LAZYBSTARD Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,382 Posted November 23, 2011 Report Share Posted November 23, 2011 Different Lewis mate Best ever is.......well...ever !....You claimed Calzaghe was best Brit ever. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LAZYBSTARD 225 Posted November 23, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2011 gnasher there was some other fighter did the same going up all the weights an i think he fought demsey my da alway talked about him do you no his name il remember it if you say it ...its doing my head in Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LAZYBSTARD 225 Posted November 23, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2011 think its cocklan or cockran Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LAZYBSTARD 225 Posted November 23, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2011 (edited) wb an who was the first fighter to win the world titles at 3 different weights Edited November 23, 2011 by LAZYBSTARD Quote Link to post Share on other sites
the_stig 6,614 Posted November 23, 2011 Report Share Posted November 23, 2011 (edited) Who did he wait for? There was no one to fight at Super Middle bar Sven Ottke and he didn't want to know unless the fight was completely on his terms. Hopkins was at Middle and done nothing but mess about in negotiations, and to be fair looking at how Hopkins performed after he fought Joe I think it's unfair to say he was washed up when Joe beat him. Roy Jones was content at Light Heavy beating nobodies and didn't really think Calzaghe would make for a big fight in the USA. I used to say the same thing your saying mate.....till a few years back when it was pointed out to me Calzaghes actual fight record.....it astounded me so much i wrote it down ! These are all of the " notable " opponents he boxed. Roy Jones aged 39 Bernard Hopkins aged 43 Byron Mitchell aged 30 Charles Brewer aged 33 Richie Woodhall aged 33 ( last fight of his career ) Chris Eubank aged 32 ( second last fight of his career ) Those are the " big name " fighters he fought..... Then you have defenses against unheard of fighters on a world scale such as.... Evans Ashira aged 36 Mario Veit aged 32 Omar Sheika ( 30/11 record...Journeyman at best ) Branko Sobot (19/11 record ) and plenty more of the same...............Lacey was probably Calzaghes best ever win and he has been proven not to be quite the fighter we all thought he was....id go as far as to say Kessler was his only true genuine title defense..........As fans of boxing its a crying shame we never got to see just how good Calzaghe really was. break it down as much as you like gnasher joe has a record second to none at the end of his career nobody wanted to fight him an early on in this topic you said age dosnt realy matter when i said collins was three years older than eubanks after you said eubanks was washed up so i think joe calzaghe stands head an shoulder above any british boxer ever one fight calzaghe turned down more than once --- carl froch ... Edited November 23, 2011 by the_stig Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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