Culling pups

[whin 463]

• i would do it on sex even up the balance but neve rhad to do it touch wood but any sick or ill they would be first to go
  

[runem 533]

My main issue with culling, is that it is a bit of a gamble.

 

You breed a litter, and chances are, if you put best to best, there will be at least SOME cracking dogs in that litter, but also some not so great and some average, couple of fails etc.

 

So if you cull half the litter at birth, you are taking pot luck that amongst what survives, is the dog you were hoping for.

 

Out of interest, when you are culling at a young age, how do you decide? Enie-meenie-minee-mo? First out? I bet most end up doing it on color or something daft!

i think usually size smallest/poorest looking pups ........well if that was the case ....MONA....WOULD,NT BE AROUND NOW......its a big gamble if someone decides to cull any pups.

[Ideation 8,216]

He is agreeing with you both.

 

Give the runts to pet homes, if you are worried make sure they go to homes that will spay/neuter them, without a pedigree (even if they are ped, you don't have to register them or hand over paperwork) most pet owners don't want to breed anyway and even if they do then you all know damn well no one who works dogs will want them. Also seems odd that you have at thread on this forum where someone just mated full brother and sister and no one openly batted an eye or posted negatively about it and people are in this one worrying about genetic abnormalities from breeding from pups that are not as strong as the others when they are newborn?

 

Again this is all just petty silliness over working breeds as pet dogs, we have our toys and you can't play with them childishness, there are plenty of other working dogs being kept as pets, gundogs, herding dogs and the like and you don't see people getting huffy over a pet Labrador.

 

Have you SEEN the general standard of labs about these days. . . . . ?

[FightTheBan 1,147]

You say its a gamble ideation and breeding does involve a degree of luck. But what would be worse having the best dog out the litter owned by a Messer breeding the c**t out of it or never knowing if it existed?

And oldtimer I am of the opinion it is far too easy to get working dogs these days. I had followed and old guy about learning the trade since I was knee height before he offered me a dog. If everyone had to do this instead of simply opening an account on here then maybe there wouldn't be as .uch shite about, maybe there would be more respect for livestock,dogs,quarry and the sport in general. And maybe there wouldnt be as many cases of pricks ripping cats apart in the newspapers.

FTB

[danw 1,748]

My main issue with culling, is that it is a bit of a gamble.

 

You breed a litter, and chances are, if you put best to best, there will be at least SOME cracking dogs in that litter, but also some not so great and some average, couple of fails etc.

 

So if you cull half the litter at birth, you are taking pot luck that amongst what survives, is the dog you were hoping for.

 

Out of interest, when you are culling at a young age, how do you decide? Enie-meenie-minee-mo? First out? I bet most end up doing it on color or something daft!

 

 

For me mate assuming it is necessary through litter size or excess of either sex I weigh every pup at birth and check for deformity any defect and it goes then at 3 days I reweigh the litter and having observed them at some length to determine which fight for the tit and which are pushed out or hold back I cull the lightest or least determined from either sex as to my requirements.

[6pack 60]

If you can secure 20 homes, 20 people that think your dogs are good enough to want a pup, and not just Bill Bloggs down the pub that agrees after a few Stellas, but good, honest people, then there should be no need to cull.

Best to have to turn people away than beg for homes.

If your dogs are up to it, then finding 20 good homes shouldn't be a problem - regardless of breed.

[Simoman 110]

If you can secure 20 homes, 20 people that think your dogs are good enough to want a pup, and not just Bill Bloggs down the pub that agrees after a few Stellas, but good, honest people, then there should be no need to cull.

Best to have to turn people away than beg for homes.

If your dogs are up to it, then finding 20 good homes shouldn't be a problem - regardless of breed.

 

I disagree Raiye, i have several friends who work lurchers, but of those perhaps only 8 are close enough who i trust enough and know they work and keep there dogs how i would like any pups i bred to be kept/reared. If i bred a litter tomorrow off my dogs i may rehome 2 to those friends, mainly as though despite how good my dogs may be there kennels are already full and they have enough dogs for the work they get. I have been offered a couple of truely excellent dogs off mates over the years but i have had to decline as i have enough dogs.................

[FightTheBan 1,147]

Agree with simo.

A litter of russels I have on at the minute,thankfully she only reared 3 could have done with 4 but any more than that would have been chapped. They were bred for one thing graft and although my mobile is full of people with terriersthere are only a few that have the same idea of what graft is. And some simply don't have the need for another.

 

FTB

[FightTheBan 1,147]

6pac you are just looking at it from a womans perspective. Call it sexist I call.it honesty.

No offence intended.

 

FTB

[Ideation 8,216]

My main issue with culling, is that it is a bit of a gamble.

 

You breed a litter, and chances are, if you put best to best, there will be at least SOME cracking dogs in that litter, but also some not so great and some average, couple of fails etc.

 

So if you cull half the litter at birth, you are taking pot luck that amongst what survives, is the dog you were hoping for.

 

Out of interest, when you are culling at a young age, how do you decide? Enie-meenie-minee-mo? First out? I bet most end up doing it on color or something daft!

 

 

For me mate assuming it is necessary through litter size or excess of either sex I weigh every pup at birth and check for deformity any defect and it goes then at 3 days I reweigh the litter and having observed them at some length to determine which fight for the tit and which are pushed out or hold back I cull the lightest or least determined from either sex as to my requirements.

 

Thanks Dan, that's a decent answer mate

 

FTB - I understand what you are saying, and i agree, it would be worse if the pup ended up in the hands of an idiot, but it would be my hope (if i ever bred a litter) that i could ensure that all of the pups that i was not keeping back, were gifted to close friends, or family members, somewhere that could be monitered, with a fairly strict set of rules in place.

[chimp 299]

and people wonder why there is so much shit being sold .

 

culling has been done since day dot and only in recent years we have seen an influx in wanky pups being born and sold because the cuddly wuddly brigade wont cull.

[FightTheBan 1,147]

Thing is though even with all the best intentions peoples circumstances change and shit happens. The only way you can be fully responsible for a dog and its offspring isif they are in your kennels. Again it sounds selfish but i for one don't like the direction the working dog world is going and will be a happy man if I manage to do my bit to help matters. I have a close group of doggy pals and anything I breed won't go outwith that circle.

FTB

[6pack 60]

6pac you are just looking at it from a womans perspective. Call it sexist I call.it honesty.

No offence intended.

 

FTB

 

I think my perspective is based largely on rehoming many puppies. My opinion would be my own standard before breeding. I wouldn't breed without knowing I could home every pup that may come along.

[chimp 299]

6pac you are just looking at it from a womans perspective. Call it sexist I call.it honesty.

No offence intended.

 

FTB

 

I think my perspective is based largely on rehoming many puppies. My opinion would be my own standard before breeding. I wouldn't breed without knowing I could home every pup that may come along.

 

 

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[danw 1,748]

Thing is though even with all the best intentions peoples circumstances change and shit happens. The only way you can be fully responsible for a dog and its offspring isif they are in your kennels. Again it sounds selfish but i for one don't like the direction the working dog world is going and will be a happy man if I manage to do my bit to help matters. I have a close group of doggy pals and anything I breed won't go outwith that circle.

FTB

 

 

 

Agree totally with this all I would add is that my dogs are bred to suit me that does not necessarily mean that my friends like or want the same