Culling pups

[danw 1,748]

  On 13/11/2011 at 14:44, boyo said:

dont know what happened to above post lol. dan w ime 57 had lurchers all my life and bred quite a few litters but only when i want a new dog for myself and without sounding off yes i can do a litter very very good.and although i havnt got all the answers i know the differance between doing a litter properly and not doing it properly . what are you saying because ime not a prolific breeder and pushing puppies out year in year out i dont know hoew to rear a litter of lurcher pups properly. and i stick by my statement if you ddo the bitch and litter properly and put the time andexpense in they can all be done and look well.

 

 

NO I didn't say you dont' know how to rear a good pup but if you only rear for your self why bring off a litter so large?

 

I have to replace at least 4-5 dogs every year to maintain the 3 of us at a consistent level meaning I need to have at least 1 litter a year I will not let the line be f****d by anyone so will not let anyone other than close family and a couple of select keeper mates take one so why keep big litters to me it is far better for the dam and pups to cull down to what we need replaced and no more.Please note these are spaniels and not lurchers (I buy lurchers in) but to be honest should it have been lurchers I would still cull the same there are enough out there already being passed from door to door without adding to it

[Lab 10,979]

  On 13/11/2011 at 14:57, danw said:

  On 13/11/2011 at 14:44, boyo said:

dont know what happened to above post lol. dan w ime 57 had lurchers all my life and bred quite a few litters but only when i want a new dog for myself and without sounding off yes i can do a litter very very good.and although i havnt got all the answers i know the differance between doing a litter properly and not doing it properly . what are you saying because ime not a prolific breeder and pushing puppies out year in year out i dont know hoew to rear a litter of lurcher pups properly. and i stick by my statement if you ddo the bitch and litter properly and put the time andexpense in they can all be done and look well.

 

 

NO I didn't say you dont' know how to rear a good pup but if you only rear for your self why bring off a litter so large?

 

I have to replace at least 4-5 dogs every year to maintain the 3 of us at a consistent level meaning I need to have at least 1 litter a year I will not let the line be f****d by anyone so will not let anyone other than close family and a couple of select keeper mates take one so why keep big litters to me it is far better for the dam and pups to cull down to what we need replaced and no more.Please note these are spaniels and not lurchers (I buy lurchers in) but to be honest should it have been lurchers I would still cull the same there are enough out there already being passed from door to door without adding to it

Its a very interesting topic but do you never feel like you could potentially be culling the best dog in the litter mate?. We all know 'nobody' can look at newly born pups and determine what the pups will turn out like work wise. I'd have a problem culling myself so i'm glad that once my old bitch is gone i wont have(never say never.. ) another bitch in my kennels. I've just got to hope that my dogs working abilities shine in the field and studding him to a good bitch hopefully wont be a problem...

[boyo 1,398]

danw i do keep a fair dog so when i breed one of mine i dont have trouble selling them when i advertised the pups that were not spoken for or sold i could have sold another six if i had had them and had people asking months later about them. tbh if i had to think about killing any healthy pups i bred i wouldnt bother breeding a litter and we can all beat about the bush fannying it up calling it culling but what it boils down to is killing a perfectly healthy pup that the person has bred.and me personally i wouldnt feel right doing that but at the end of the day thats only my personal opinion and like arseholes we have all got one .opinions that is lol.

[alan626 305]

if u only need 3 u keep the first 3 born simple

[danw 1,748]

  On 13/11/2011 at 15:04, lab-tastic said:

  On 13/11/2011 at 14:57, danw said:

  On 13/11/2011 at 14:44, boyo said:

dont know what happened to above post lol. dan w ime 57 had lurchers all my life and bred quite a few litters but only when i want a new dog for myself and without sounding off yes i can do a litter very very good.and although i havnt got all the answers i know the differance between doing a litter properly and not doing it properly . what are you saying because ime not a prolific breeder and pushing puppies out year in year out i dont know hoew to rear a litter of lurcher pups properly. and i stick by my statement if you ddo the bitch and litter properly and put the time andexpense in they can all be done and look well.

 

 

NO I didn't say you dont' know how to rear a good pup but if you only rear for your self why bring off a litter so large?

 

I have to replace at least 4-5 dogs every year to maintain the 3 of us at a consistent level meaning I need to have at least 1 litter a year I will not let the line be f****d by anyone so will not let anyone other than close family and a couple of select keeper mates take one so why keep big litters to me it is far better for the dam and pups to cull down to what we need replaced and no more.Please note these are spaniels and not lurchers (I buy lurchers in) but to be honest should it have been lurchers I would still cull the same there are enough out there already being passed from door to door without adding to it

Its a very interesting topic but do you never feel like you could potentially be culling the best dog in the litter mate?. We all know 'nobody' can look at newly born pups and determine what the pups will turn out like work wise. I'd have a problem culling myself so i'm glad that once my old bitch is gone i wont have(never say never.. ) another bitch in my kennels. I've just got to hope that my dogs working abilities shine in the field and studding him to a good bitch hopefully wont be a problem...

 

 

Yeah I have thought that in the past I wouldn't pretend you can tell at day old by any standard but then can you at 8 weeks I know what I like and anything that doesn't fit goes, I suppose perhaps I see the whole deal somewhat differently my dogs are kept as a means to an end they do a job nothing else they are not pets and not treated as such they get the best of everything thats a must to keep them working day in day out but there is no compassion involved.

[Lab 10,979]

  On 13/11/2011 at 15:14, alan626 said:

if u only need 3 u keep the first 3 born simple

You say simple and i suppose to some people it is. Doesnt make up for the fact that possibly you could be culling one of the best pups.

[danw 1,748]

  On 13/11/2011 at 15:09, boyo said:

danw i do keep a fair dog so when i breed one of mine i dont have trouble selling them when i advertised the pups that were not spoken for or sold i could have sold another six if i had had them and had people asking months later about them. tbh if i had to think about killing any healthy pups i bred i wouldnt bother breeding a litter and we can all beat about the bush fannying it up calling it culling but what it boils down to is killing a perfectly healthy pup that the person has bred.and me personally i wouldnt feel right doing that but at the end of the day thats only my personal opinion and like arseholes we have all got one .opinions that is lol.

 

I see it different but respect your opinion

[Lab 10,979]

  On 13/11/2011 at 15:16, danw said:

  On 13/11/2011 at 15:04, lab-tastic said:

  On 13/11/2011 at 14:57, danw said:

  On 13/11/2011 at 14:44, boyo said:

dont know what happened to above post lol. dan w ime 57 had lurchers all my life and bred quite a few litters but only when i want a new dog for myself and without sounding off yes i can do a litter very very good.and although i havnt got all the answers i know the differance between doing a litter properly and not doing it properly . what are you saying because ime not a prolific breeder and pushing puppies out year in year out i dont know hoew to rear a litter of lurcher pups properly. and i stick by my statement if you ddo the bitch and litter properly and put the time andexpense in they can all be done and look well.

 

 

NO I didn't say you dont' know how to rear a good pup but if you only rear for your self why bring off a litter so large?

 

I have to replace at least 4-5 dogs every year to maintain the 3 of us at a consistent level meaning I need to have at least 1 litter a year I will not let the line be f****d by anyone so will not let anyone other than close family and a couple of select keeper mates take one so why keep big litters to me it is far better for the dam and pups to cull down to what we need replaced and no more.Please note these are spaniels and not lurchers (I buy lurchers in) but to be honest should it have been lurchers I would still cull the same there are enough out there already being passed from door to door without adding to it

Its a very interesting topic but do you never feel like you could potentially be culling the best dog in the litter mate?. We all know 'nobody' can look at newly born pups and determine what the pups will turn out like work wise. I'd have a problem culling myself so i'm glad that once my old bitch is gone i wont have(never say never.. ) another bitch in my kennels. I've just got to hope that my dogs working abilities shine in the field and studding him to a good bitch hopefully wont be a problem...

 

 

Yeah I have thought that in the past I wouldn't pretend you can tell at day old by any standard but then can you at 8 weeks I know what I like and anything that doesn't fit goes, I suppose perhaps I see the whole deal somewhat differently my dogs are kept as a means to an end they do a job nothing else they are not pets and not treated as such they get the best of everything thats a must to keep them working day in day out but there is no compassion involved.

Nope you cant tell at 8 weeks either.........but there is a chance you'll see that dog/bitch working in the future and think to yourself "f**k i should have kept that dog/bitch back!!".. .....that happens alot!!

My dogs are workers too mate...i dont call them pets but i wont hide the fact i build up a bond with them and will be sad when that one has to be pts. Especially if they grafted for me and gave me many a happy day picking up...

I'll just add i would have no problem in culling a weak or deformed pup.

[undisputed 1,664]

 

 

If you see the difference in a litter of say 6 pups as opposed to 11 has on a bitch and the litter then you would know that food aint gonna make the difference.

 

 

The were 10 in the last litter my bitch had....she was fed twice a day on good quality food. The litter had no adverse affect on her well being.

[boyo 1,398]

dan mine are also kept just for work and also have the best of everything they are worked very hard and if not up to scratch then i dont keep them in fact the pup i reared got seriously injured start of week and i have a massive vets bill to pay but hoping she will fully recover.as she did it trying her guts out for me.as anyone who knows me will tell you i run my dogs hard and often .but feel there should be a bit of compassion involved in something that you have reared and spent time and money rearing up.the easy and cheap option would have been to have her put down but afraid thats not my . style

[danw 1,748]

  On 13/11/2011 at 15:22, lab-tastic said:

  On 13/11/2011 at 15:16, danw said:

  On 13/11/2011 at 15:04, lab-tastic said:

  On 13/11/2011 at 14:57, danw said:

  On 13/11/2011 at 14:44, boyo said:

dont know what happened to above post lol. dan w ime 57 had lurchers all my life and bred quite a few litters but only when i want a new dog for myself and without sounding off yes i can do a litter very very good.and although i havnt got all the answers i know the differance between doing a litter properly and not doing it properly . what are you saying because ime not a prolific breeder and pushing puppies out year in year out i dont know hoew to rear a litter of lurcher pups properly. and i stick by my statement if you ddo the bitch and litter properly and put the time andexpense in they can all be done and look well.

 

 

NO I didn't say you dont' know how to rear a good pup but if you only rear for your self why bring off a litter so large?

 

I have to replace at least 4-5 dogs every year to maintain the 3 of us at a consistent level meaning I need to have at least 1 litter a year I will not let the line be f****d by anyone so will not let anyone other than close family and a couple of select keeper mates take one so why keep big litters to me it is far better for the dam and pups to cull down to what we need replaced and no more.Please note these are spaniels and not lurchers (I buy lurchers in) but to be honest should it have been lurchers I would still cull the same there are enough out there already being passed from door to door without adding to it

Its a very interesting topic but do you never feel like you could potentially be culling the best dog in the litter mate?. We all know 'nobody' can look at newly born pups and determine what the pups will turn out like work wise. I'd have a problem culling myself so i'm glad that once my old bitch is gone i wont have(never say never.. ) another bitch in my kennels. I've just got to hope that my dogs working abilities shine in the field and studding him to a good bitch hopefully wont be a problem...

 

 

Yeah I have thought that in the past I wouldn't pretend you can tell at day old by any standard but then can you at 8 weeks I know what I like and anything that doesn't fit goes, I suppose perhaps I see the whole deal somewhat differently my dogs are kept as a means to an end they do a job nothing else they are not pets and not treated as such they get the best of everything thats a must to keep them working day in day out but there is no compassion involved.

Nope you cant tell at 8 weeks either.........but there is a chance you'll see that dog/bitch working in the future and think to yourself "f**k i should have kept that dog/bitch back!!".. .....that happens alot!!

My dogs are workers too mate...i dont call them pets but i wont hide the fact i build up a bond with them and will be sad when that one has to be pts. Especially if they grafted for me and gave me many a happy day picking up...

I'll just add i would have no problem in culling a weak or deformed pup.

 

 

I know what your saying mate and I could rear and sell the excess pups probably at a tidy profit but then I loose control of the line and to be totally honest I would sooner be thought of as a heartless b*****d than a puppy pedlar.

[danw 1,748]

  On 13/11/2011 at 15:29, boyo said:

dan mine are also kept just for work and also have the best of everything they are worked very hard and if not up to scratch then i dont keep them in fact the pup i reared got seriously injured start of week and i have a massive vets bill to pay but hoping she will fully recover.as she did it trying her guts out for me.as anyone who knows me will tell you i run my dogs hard and often .but feel there should be a bit of compassion involved in something that you have reared and spent time and money rearing up.the easy and cheap option would have been to have her put down but afraid thats not my . style

 

here's the thing though you keep them for work but the reality is that thats your hobby I would not keep 1 spaniel if I didnt' do this job.

[alan626 305]

  On 13/11/2011 at 15:16, lab-tastic said:

  On 13/11/2011 at 15:14, alan626 said:

if u only need 3 u keep the first 3 born simple

You say simple and i suppose to some people it is. Doesnt make up for the fact that possibly you could be culling one of the best pups.

i wouldnt be culling any of them im just answering the question that was asked ,, i would rear the litter and find them all decent homes

[boyo 1,398]

  On 13/11/2011 at 15:34, danw said:

  On 13/11/2011 at 15:29, boyo said:

dan mine are also kept just for work and also have the best of everything they are worked very hard and if not up to scratch then i dont keep them in fact the pup i reared got seriously injured start of week and i have a massive vets bill to pay but hoping she will fully recover.as she did it trying her guts out for me.as anyone who knows me will tell you i run my dogs hard and often .but feel there should be a bit of compassion involved in something that you have reared and spent time and money rearing up.the easy and cheap option would have been to have her put down but afraid thats not my . style

 

here's the thing though you keep them for work but the reality is that thats your hobby I would not keep 1 spaniel if I didnt' do this job.

dan its more a way of life than a hobby with me ive had them since i was born other than for a short time . way back in the seventies i packed a well paid job in and was working them flat out and beleive me there wasnt a running dog in the country that was worked harder than mine during this period.i have worked my dogs all., over the uk and met loads of good freinds through running the dogs,so to me its much more than a hobby. in my eyes anyway.out of interest what do you do keepering i would say at a guess .

[whin 463]

never heard so much nonsense , bred a few lits over the yeasr nevr ever had to cull apup had dead ones perdectly formed just wasnt to be if you keep you dogs [bANNED TEXT] breed [bANNED TEXT], then dogs are fine , i keep mines fit until week of birth and give them the best staqrt in life had smaller pups in alitter but not runts ,just the way they throw , if you keep them in top condition feed them properly , no need to kill and bred of qaulity mand dogs that are evenly matched having litts isnt a big deal