Culling pups

[chartpolski 23,101]

Well Lab, you seem to have a downer on anything I say at the moment, so I won't take anything you say seriously !! LOL !!

 

Cheers.

[Lab 10,979]

Well Lab, you seem to have a downer on anything I say at the moment, so I won't take anything you say seriously !! LOL !!

 

Cheers.

You must have been gibbering shite and i picked up on it then.................. No personal vendettas on here mate.....just thought you made a mistake on this one....

[danw 1,748]

If you see the difference in a litter of say 6 pups as opposed to 11 has on a bitch and the litter then you would know that food aint gonna make the difference.

 

 

The were 10 in the last litter my bitch had....she was fed twice a day on good quality food. The litter had no adverse affect on her well being.

 

Aye and I have a bitch here that has large litters but cannot handle them no mater what but reduce that to 5/6 and she does well and so do the pups to me it is all about recognising the fact that she was struggling and acting on it

 

Then why he hell line the bitch if she can't handle them?

 

Cheers.

 

 

Because she is an excellent bitch with lots of traits that I find desirable and is ideal for continuing the line and with due respect till she had been lined how would you know if she could handle them or not??

 

ERR, with due respect; it was YOU who said she couldn't handle them !!!! re-read your own post !

 

Cheers.

 

 

Okay I will word it differently for YOU how could I have known she couldn't handle a large litter until such time as she had whelped It would be easy to assume that as a first whelping she may struggle but subsequent whelpings could be ok and now knowing that she cant' handle that size of litter how is it detrimental to her if I reduce the size of the litter to a manageable size given I now she can carry them but can't raise them?

 

Well, if she is so good a bitch that you have to keep breeding from her...... crack on mate.

 

Edited to add; you puppy peddling prick !!

......WTF!!! Dan would be the worlds worst puppy peddlar wont he Chart' since he culls half them, keeps the rest or gives to close friends....... Puppy peddlar......ffs :laugh:

 

Well, just by reading his posts........ he seems to say he keeps breeding from a bitch, that can't handle having pups !! Where am I wrong ???

 

 

Not that I have to answer to you but she is now 8 years old had her first litter at 3 second at 5 and her final litter at 7 to keep the line tight it was necessary to go back to her. she is due to retire the end of the season at that point I have a beater already lined up who will work her steady through her retirement

Ohh just so you know I have never taken money for a dog and never would cause they aint for sale.

[chartpolski 23,101]

If you see the difference in a litter of say 6 pups as opposed to 11 has on a bitch and the litter then you would know that food aint gonna make the difference.

 

 

The were 10 in the last litter my bitch had....she was fed twice a day on good quality food. The litter had no adverse affect on her well being.

 

Aye and I have a bitch here that has large litters but cannot handle them no mater what but reduce that to 5/6 and she does well and so do the pups to me it is all about recognising the fact that she was struggling and acting on it

 

Then why he hell line the bitch if she can't handle them?

 

Cheers.

 

 

Because she is an excellent bitch with lots of traits that I find desirable and is ideal for continuing the line and with due respect till she had been lined how would you know if she could handle them or not??

 

ERR, with due respect; it was YOU who said she couldn't handle them !!!! re-read your own post !

 

Cheers.

 

 

Okay I will word it differently for YOU how could I have known she couldn't handle a large litter until such time as she had whelped It would be easy to assume that as a first whelping she may struggle but subsequent whelpings could be ok and now knowing that she cant' handle that size of litter how is it detrimental to her if I reduce the size of the litter to a manageable size given I now she can carry them but can't raise them?

 

Well, if she is so good a bitch that you have to keep breeding from her...... crack on mate.

 

Edited to add; you puppy peddling prick !!

......WTF!!! Dan would be the worlds worst puppy peddlar wont he Chart' since he culls half them, keeps the rest or gives to close friends....... Puppy peddlar......ffs :laugh:

 

Well, just by reading his posts........ he seems to say he keeps breeding from a bitch, that can't handle having pups !! Where am I wrong ???

 

 

Not that I have to answer to you but she is now 8 years old had her first litter at 3 second at 5 and her final litter at 7 to keep the line tight it was necessary to go back to her. she is due to retire the end of the season at that point I have a beater already lined up who will work her steady through her retirement

Ohh just so you know I have never taken money for a dog and never would cause they aint for sale.

 

 

No,you dont have to answer me............ but you were the one who said you kept breeding from a bitch that couldn't, in YOUR words, "handle the pups" !! So, once again......... why keep breeding from her ????

[pipa 299]

:hmm: cull before born how you manage that one :hmm:

 

i re read that and it is worded wrong , i meant cull any what havent been reserved before the litters born ...

why breed then if you aint got know one for them, and how do you know if their weak at an early age?

[danw 1,748]

,you dont have to answer me............ but you were the one who said you kept breeding from a bitch that couldn't, in YOUR words, "handle the pups" !! So, once again......... why keep breeding from her ????

 

 

May be this thread is confusing you but I answered that question in post 96

[B.P.R 2,798]

If the bitch is struggling with a lot of

Pups then you should step in an bottle

Feed some. You essentially put them there. You get out your bed and feed them. If they're not

Deformed or Ill then there's no reason to

Cull. Too Many people throw the towel in

[skycat 6,173]

In case anyone hasn't noticed, the lurcher market is saturated. Even people with well bred litters seem to be struggling to sell them. Personally, if I ever did breed a litter again, I would cull to 4 or 5 pups, or however many had been booked before birth. I've reared litters of 10, 12 with no problem, back in the days before the lurcher market had gone completely mad with so many people breeding.

 

Some bitches can rear a large litter with no problem, others really struggle. If you know a bitch will struggle with a large litter, and you have bred for yourself and close friends, then of course it is better to cull than let the bitch get dragged down with too many pups which you'll be hard pushed to sell anyway. Sounds like common sense to me. Just because a bitch struggles to rear a huge litter isn't a reason not to breed from her. Just my opinion.

[FightTheBan 1,147]

I'm a firm believer in 'whits fur ye will no go by ye'

I.e if it was meant to be, then it will be.

 

I have no issues culling pups.

 

I breed for MY SELF and if there are surpluss they go to CLOSE friends. No one else, not for any amount of money.

 

Call it selfish or whatever but I call it responsible.

 

What makes me laugh about all the nonces on this thread personifying pups as if they are human 'who are you to play god bla bla bla' FFS man up and grow a pair, you are the same people who sell pups to 15 year olds with their trackies tucked into their socks as long as they have £100.

 

You are responsible for the overproduction of 'working lol type' dogs.

 

Peoples attitude towards breeding lurchers/terriers/gundogs make me sick most of the time. Only out to line their pocket.

 

If you cannot afford the cost of rearing pups, then dont breed. But FFS what ever you do dont use the financial hit as an excuse to sell pups to tom dick and harry for as much as you can get.

People who do this are like a cancer to the sport, killing it from the inside.

 

Just my opinion by the way

 

FTB

[bunnys 1,228]

some good honest posts with the welfare of the lurcher has a breed ,there his those which can easily be picked out who are in it for the long haulmainly because they hasve no choice .Genuine die hard enthusiasts who live eat and breathe there animals,keeping and working there animals over decades of time .GOOD LUCK to those who happen to be blessed with this love of hunting ,and like with the stock the wheat from the chaff will fall by the way side good luck to all my fellow hunters. atb bunnys.

[old timer123 367]

I'm a firm believer in 'whits fur ye will no go by ye'

I.e if it was meant to be, then it will be.

 

I have no issues culling pups.

 

I breed for MY SELF and if there are surpluss they go to CLOSE friends. No one else, not for any amount of money.

 

Call it selfish or whatever but I call it responsible.

 

What makes me laugh about all the nonces on this thread personifying pups as if they are human 'who are you to play god bla bla bla' FFS man up and grow a pair, you are the same people who sell pups to 15 year olds with their trackies tucked into their socks as long as they have £100.

 

You are responsible for the overproduction of 'working lol type' dogs.

 

Peoples attitude towards breeding lurchers/terriers/gundogs make me sick most of the time. Only out to line their pocket.

 

If you cannot afford the cost of rearing pups, then dont breed. But FFS what ever you do dont use the financial hit as an excuse to sell pups to tom dick and harry for as much as you can get.

People who do this are like a cancer to the sport, killing it from the inside.

 

Just my opinion by the way

 

FTB

so how is anyone supposed to get hold of a working animal if everyone did what you do if they dont know anyone or havent got freinds in the game???? yes there would be less shit but there would be even a lot lesser good stuff aswell so what about a new comer who hasnt got the connections ????

[whin 463]

the whole reason to breed is to better your stock , dogs , keep some back , sell the rest to genuine guys now i cant see the big issue on that , and you and once you get agood line you keep it going hence the reason you get good coursing dogs terriers , and allround lurchers ,but my first thought is not the money qaulity and as best you can get ,and the rest is knowing the dogs you bred and how they throw,wouldnt dream of cullin g unless a [bANNED TEXT] big litt over nine maybe , but ,6 is anice size but had 9 and they were fine strong feet like spup plates but they got the best , heat lamp lambs milk meat puppy food cleaned twice every day

[whin 463]

those that cull are not always confident in there dogs ,i would say and this between close mates is piss to , as its a big wide world out there so if you dont travel to see good hunting coursing dogs how do you better your stock or dogs very narrow mindness , i believe if you bred a litter sel them to [bANNED TEXT] owners and watch them grow a great site to see pups doing what they are bred for

[Ideation 8,216]

My main issue with culling, is that it is a bit of a gamble.

 

You breed a litter, and chances are, if you put best to best, there will be at least SOME cracking dogs in that litter, but also some not so great and some average, couple of fails etc.

 

So if you cull half the litter at birth, you are taking pot luck that amongst what survives, is the dog you were hoping for.

 

Out of interest, when you are culling at a young age, how do you decide? Enie-meenie-minee-mo? First out? I bet most end up doing it on color or something daft!

[whin 463]

touch wood never had to cull a litter i had on my premisies mate 9 is biggest but wouldnt hesitate if there not [bANNED TEXT]