Number of foxes well done this year due to rifle men!

[tegater 789]

I do both shooting and dog work.

 

But i have to admit the former is incredibly easy in comparisson to the latter. Especially when you have a 4x4, a high powered rifle, a caller and night vision. A child could accomplish good bags.

 

It's your call what you do, but i just dont get how people can actually find sport and enjoyment in pulling a trigger. It's fairly boring.

It's not all 4 x 4. Up here in the pennines there are many places you can't use one for fox control, and then of course my favorite kind of fox work is the ambush across a valley, or moor, after days of ons, working out the best place to be for the shot, taking into account the route the fox will come in, the wind speed and direction, the back stop etc. I love the adrenaline when the grouse start growling or the curlew start going mad at the imminent approach of the vixen into your killing ground.

I love the fact the fox doesn't know the fear of its imminent death. It's just lights out.........and job done.

 

Less enjoyable but equally exciting is lying out all night in near zero temperatures waiting for Charlie to return to a rock den....its home for the day. But again when it all comes together its job done.

[tegater 789]

been on the news today...30 kids under the age of 10 have been issued with shotgun certs in the past 3 years..a bit off topic i know but a scary thought nonetheless ..atb stabba

Why scary, you obviously dont know the law or read it before making a comment. Just because they have a cert. does not allow them to by a shotgun or shoot one unsupervised without adults.

Oh im sorry if you dont agree ....but my personal preference would be not to let a junior have access to a shotgun whether supervised or not...bet most of that age cant even tie there own shoe laces let alone grasp the ramifications of the power a shotgun if used incorrectly....its easy to say supervised this and supervised that...lettin a child under the age of 10 access to a shotgun just beggars belief..infact the law is set to change on this matter and rightly so imo

Stabba. I would rather bring up my child knowing how to handle a firearm safely and correctly, than let them find out the hardway in the company of their mates, with an air rifle they have "borrowed" from somewhere, with no concept of safety. My eldest who is now 10, has been shooting shotgun since he was 7, and is far safer than some adults I know who have been shooting longer than him. Years ago, it would have beggard belief if a lad brought up in the countryside was not taught to shoot at an early age. Don't add to this pc mamby pampy society we are bring up our kids in.

 

how do you supervise such a young kid?

 

what if excitement gets the better of him and he shoots at an unsafe area?

trying to grab the gun off him would surely be dangerous from any position.

You bring them to right from the start, teach them the rules, take the gun of him occasionaly when be first starts to demonstrate what to do, how to negotiate an obstical etc. You do the same as with anything you mentor a child in.

[blan89 159]

been on the news today...30 kids under the age of 10 have been issued with shotgun certs in the past 3 years..a bit off topic i know but a scary thought nonetheless ..atb stabba

Why scary, you obviously dont know the law or read it before making a comment. Just because they have a cert. does not allow them to by a shotgun or shoot one unsupervised without adults.

Oh im sorry if you dont agree ....but my personal preference would be not to let a junior have access to a shotgun whether supervised or not...bet most of that age cant even tie there own shoe laces let alone grasp the ramifications of the power a shotgun if used incorrectly....its easy to say supervised this and supervised that...lettin a child under the age of 10 access to a shotgun just beggars belief..infact the law is set to change on this matter and rightly so imo

Stabba. I would rather bring up my child knowing how to handle a firearm safely and correctly, than let them find out the hardway in the company of their mates, with an air rifle they have "borrowed" from somewhere, with no concept of safety. My eldest who is now 10, has been shooting shotgun since he was 7, and is far safer than some adults I know who have been shooting longer than him. Years ago, it would have beggard belief if a lad brought up in the countryside was not taught to shoot at an early age. Don't add to this pc mamby pampy society we are bring up our kids in.

 

how do you supervise such a young kid?

 

what if excitement gets the better of him and he shoots at an unsafe area?

trying to grab the gun off him would surely be dangerous from any position.

You bring them to right from the start, teach them the rules, take the gun of him occasionaly when be first starts to demonstrate what to do, how to negotiate an obstical etc. You do the same as with anything you mentor a child in.

 

i meant can you safely physically take the weapon from the child very quickly if necessary.

 

Whether or not you can trust any 10 year old with a shotgun is another thing entirely.

[tegater 789]

Coaching is about education, talking and allowing the child to learn. I have never had any reason to physically intervene, with my boys. They know that if they do something they shouldnt, they will be told about it. They know if they start to become dangerous then they will have the gun taken off them.

As a Dad, it is my responsibility to ensure they are never put in a position, where that happens.

 

It supervising them on a piece of elastic.

 

I can understand your concerns, and I dont know your domestic circumstances, but trust me..it works.

[paulus 26]

I do both shooting and dog work.

 

But i have to admit the former is incredibly easy in comparisson to the latter. Especially when you have a 4x4, a high powered rifle, a caller and night vision. A child could accomplish good bags.

 

It's your call what you do, but i just dont get how people can actually find sport and enjoyment in pulling a trigger. It's fairly boring.

It's not all 4 x 4. Up here in the pennines there are many places you can't use one for fox control, and then of course my favorite kind of fox work is the ambush across a valley, or moor, after days of ons, working out the best place to be for the shot, taking into account the route the fox will come in, the wind speed and direction, the back stop etc. I love the adrenaline when the grouse start growling or the curlew start going mad at the imminent approach of the vixen into your killing ground.

I love the fact the fox doesn't know the fear of its imminent death. It's just lights out.........and job done.

 

Less enjoyable but equally exciting is lying out all night in near zero temperatures waiting for Charlie to return to a rock den....its home for the day. But again when it all comes together its job done.

 

its very simple mate despite all your bollocks if a fox is causing a problem it wants sorting however its done, if its done nothing, but happens to be in the wrong place when mr i like to kill foxs comes around then thats just killing for the sake of it.

[Lab 10,979]

I do both shooting and dog work.

 

But i have to admit the former is incredibly easy in comparisson to the latter. Especially when you have a 4x4, a high powered rifle, a caller and night vision. A child could accomplish good bags.

 

It's your call what you do, but i just dont get how people can actually find sport and enjoyment in pulling a trigger. It's fairly boring.

It's not all 4 x 4. Up here in the pennines there are many places you can't use one for fox control, and then of course my favorite kind of fox work is the ambush across a valley, or moor, after days of ons, working out the best place to be for the shot, taking into account the route the fox will come in, the wind speed and direction, the back stop etc. I love the adrenaline when the grouse start growling or the curlew start going mad at the imminent approach of the vixen into your killing ground.

I love the fact the fox doesn't know the fear of its imminent death. It's just lights out.........and job done.

 

Less enjoyable but equally exciting is lying out all night in near zero temperatures waiting for Charlie to return to a rock den....its home for the day. But again when it all comes together its job done.

 

its very simple mate despite all your bollocks if a fox is causing a problem it wants sorting however its done, if its done nothing, but happens to be in the wrong place when mr i like to kill foxs comes around then thats just killing for the sake of it.

And this i take it applies to some shooters and some folk running dogs.....right?...

[blan89 159]

Coaching is about education, talking and allowing the child to learn. I have never had any reason to physically intervene, with my boys. They know that if they do something they shouldnt, they will be told about it. They know if they start to become dangerous then they will have the gun taken off them.

As a Dad, it is my responsibility to ensure they are never put in a position, where that happens.

 

It supervising them on a piece of elastic.

 

I can understand your concerns, and I dont know your domestic circumstances, but trust me..it works.

 

i'm sure your confident in your lads,but i wouldn't trust someone of that age with a shotgun no matter how well i knew them.

 

that's not to say your wrong in doing so,i just wouldn't be willing to take responsibility for another persons actions in those circumstances.

[tegater 789]

Coaching is about education, talking and allowing the child to learn. I have never had any reason to physically intervene, with my boys. They know that if they do something they shouldnt, they will be told about it. They know if they start to become dangerous then they will have the gun taken off them.

As a Dad, it is my responsibility to ensure they are never put in a position, where that happens.

 

It supervising them on a piece of elastic.

 

I can understand your concerns, and I dont know your domestic circumstances, but trust me..it works.

 

i'm sure your confident in your lads,but i wouldn't trust someone of that age with a shotgun no matter how well i knew them.

 

that's not to say your wrong in doing so,i just wouldn't be willing to take responsibility for another persons actions in those circumstances.

Fair play mate.

[tegater 789]

I do both shooting and dog work.

 

But i have to admit the former is incredibly easy in comparisson to the latter. Especially when you have a 4x4, a high powered rifle, a caller and night vision. A child could accomplish good bags.

 

It's your call what you do, but i just dont get how people can actually find sport and enjoyment in pulling a trigger. It's fairly boring.

It's not all 4 x 4. Up here in the pennines there are many places you can't use one for fox control, and then of course my favorite kind of fox work is the ambush across a valley, or moor, after days of ons, working out the best place to be for the shot, taking into account the route the fox will come in, the wind speed and direction, the back stop etc. I love the adrenaline when the grouse start growling or the curlew start going mad at the imminent approach of the vixen into your killing ground.

I love the fact the fox doesn't know the fear of its imminent death. It's just lights out.........and job done.

 

Less enjoyable but equally exciting is lying out all night in near zero temperatures waiting for Charlie to return to a rock den....its home for the day. But again when it all comes together its job done.

 

its very simple mate despite all your bollocks if a fox is causing a problem it wants sorting however its done, if its done nothing, but happens to be in the wrong place when mr i like to kill foxs comes around then thats just killing for the sake of it.

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[Lab 10,979]

Coaching is about education, talking and allowing the child to learn. I have never had any reason to physically intervene, with my boys. They know that if they do something they shouldnt, they will be told about it. They know if they start to become dangerous then they will have the gun taken off them.

As a Dad, it is my responsibility to ensure they are never put in a position, where that happens.

 

It supervising them on a piece of elastic.

 

I can understand your concerns, and I dont know your domestic circumstances, but trust me..it works.

 

i'm sure your confident in your lads,but i wouldn't trust someone of that age with a shotgun no matter how well i knew them.

 

that's not to say your wrong in doing so,i just wouldn't be willing to take responsibility for another persons actions in those circumstances.

I pick up for guns of all ages and some of them i trust alot less than i would a fully supervised 10 year old that has been learned the correct way to use a shotgun.

[graham4877 1,181]

I do both shooting and dog work.

 

But i have to admit the former is incredibly easy in comparisson to the latter. Especially when you have a 4x4, a high powered rifle, a caller and night vision. A child could accomplish good bags.

 

It's your call what you do, but i just dont get how people can actually find sport and enjoyment in pulling a trigger. It's fairly boring.

 

 

i'm the same mate, get bord as f**k with it, so i start shooting long range then after 5 min of that, i'm sicker than sick!

 

I'm not having a dig, or trying to say i'm better in anyway lads, but it's not hard to shoot something, after a day shooting targets you could be out killing!

where is take a dog on and it takes alot of skill/time!

I have never taking the easy way in life, 1st ever lucrher was a saluki x prob's one of the more harder dog's to get right,

I don't think they are now tho......finger crossed t5he one i just got don't make me out to be a c**t....lol

 

Oh and for who ever said they would like it banned... i'l tell you 100000000000000000000%

if they tried that i would be down with the lads marching london!

Edited November 1, 2011 by graham4877

[tegater 789]

I do both shooting and dog work.

 

But i have to admit the former is incredibly easy in comparisson to the latter. Especially when you have a 4x4, a high powered rifle, a caller and night vision. A child could accomplish good bags.

 

It's your call what you do, but i just dont get how people can actually find sport and enjoyment in pulling a trigger. It's fairly boring.

 

 

i'm the same mate, get bord as f**k with it, so i start shooting long range then after 5 min of that, i'm sicker than sick!

 

I'm not having a dig, or trying to say i'm better in anyway lads, but it's not hard to shoot something, after a day shooting targets you could be out killing!

where is take a dog on and it takes alot of skill/time!

I have never taking the easy way in life, 1st ever lucrher was a saluki x prob's one of the more harder dog's to get right,

I don't think they are now tho......finger crossed t5he one i just got don't make me out to be a c**t....lol

 

Oh and for who ever said they would like it banned... i'l tell you 100000000000000000000%

if they tried that i would be down with the lads marching london!

I love seeing a dog work, but with me its mainly terrier.

Rifle may be boring to some, but its a job, end of, its about getting rid of foxes on your permission, resident ones or other!

I live a mile from my main permission and I don't have hens. If I get a fox in my garden, I reach for the camera, not my gun. Hard to believe but true.

[SNAP SHOT 194]

I do both shooting and dog work.

 

But i have to admit the former is incredibly easy in comparisson to the latter. Especially when you have a 4x4, a high powered rifle, a caller and night vision. A child could accomplish good bags.

 

It's your call what you do, but i just dont get how people can actually find sport and enjoyment in pulling a trigger. It's fairly boring.

 

 

i'm the same mate, get bord as f**k with it, so i start shooting long range then after 5 min of that, i'm sicker than sick!

 

I'm not having a dig, or trying to say i'm better in anyway lads, but it's not hard to shoot something, after a day shooting targets you could be out killing!

where is take a dog on and it takes alot of skill/time!

I have never taking the easy way in life, 1st ever lucrher was a saluki x prob's one of the more harder dog's to get right,

I don't think they are now tho......finger crossed t5he one i just got don't make me out to be a c**t....lol

 

Oh and for who ever said they would like it banned... i'l tell you 100000000000000000000%

if they tried that i would be down with the lads marching london!

 

 

Seems you don't shoot alot when you can come on here and say its easy, Its easy at 100 200, but start to push the limits

and you'll see, try uphill downhill shooting, or on a breezy night, Theres more skill in it than you think...

 

There is one deciding factor that no one has mentioned, And thats down to GREED... be it on the side of the rifleman or the dogman,

Unless theres a problem few foxs i never shoot past the middle to end of march.

 

If you cannot keep your head and thin numbers rather than exterminate, then you are only killing your own sport, and not ensuring a healthy population

of your target species,

 

And if fellow hunters cannot see that then they should neither have dog nor gun, unless there is a problem of the needs of the sport must cease and the killing must take place to protect livestock or crops, or from land damage,

 

 

Snap.

[tegater 789]

I do both shooting and dog work.

 

But i have to admit the former is incredibly easy in comparisson to the latter. Especially when you have a 4x4, a high powered rifle, a caller and night vision. A child could accomplish good bags.

 

It's your call what you do, but i just dont get how people can actually find sport and enjoyment in pulling a trigger. It's fairly boring.

 

 

i'm the same mate, get bord as f**k with it, so i start shooting long range then after 5 min of that, i'm sicker than sick!

 

I'm not having a dig, or trying to say i'm better in anyway lads, but it's not hard to shoot something, after a day shooting targets you could be out killing!

where is take a dog on and it takes alot of skill/time!

I have never taking the easy way in life, 1st ever lucrher was a saluki x prob's one of the more harder dog's to get right,

I don't think they are now tho......finger crossed t5he one i just got don't make me out to be a c**t....lol

 

Oh and for who ever said they would like it banned... i'l tell you 100000000000000000000%

if they tried that i would be down with the lads marching london!

 

 

Seems you don't shoot alot when you can come on here and say its easy, Its easy at 100 200, but start to push the limits

and you'll see, try uphill downhill shooting, or on a breezy night, Theres more skill in it than you think...

 

There is one deciding factor that no one has mentioned, And thats down to GREED... be it on the side of the rifleman or the dogman,

Unless theres a problem few foxs i never shoot past the middle to end of march.

 

If you cannot keep your head and thin numbers rather than exterminate, then you are only killing your own sport, and not ensuring a healthy population

of your target species,

 

And if fellow hunters cannot see that then they should neither have dog nor gun, unless there is a problem of the needs of the sport must cease and the killing must take place to protect livestock or crops, or from land damage,

 

 

Snap.

That wont work here though, how do you stop the fox that kills the newborn lambs, the fox that kills the grouse or pheasant sat on her nest, or the fox that kills the day old chicks as they walk fearlessly around their mother. I repeat myself, it is controlled culling, sport doesnt enter into it, but there is no room for a fox on a hill farm. You are not shooting them at the time they do the most damage.

[SNAP SHOT 194]

You are obviously not reading my post then as i stated that if they cause trouble they gotta go,

I do both shooting and dog work.

 

But i have to admit the former is incredibly easy in comparisson to the latter. Especially when you have a 4x4, a high powered rifle, a caller and night vision. A child could accomplish good bags.

 

It's your call what you do, but i just dont get how people can actually find sport and enjoyment in pulling a trigger. It's fairly boring.

 

 

i'm the same mate, get bord as f**k with it, so i start shooting long range then after 5 min of that, i'm sicker than sick!

 

I'm not having a dig, or trying to say i'm better in anyway lads, but it's not hard to shoot something, after a day shooting targets you could be out killing!

where is take a dog on and it takes alot of skill/time!

I have never taking the easy way in life, 1st ever lucrher was a saluki x prob's one of the more harder dog's to get right,

I don't think they are now tho......finger crossed t5he one i just got don't make me out to be a c**t....lol

 

Oh and for who ever said they would like it banned... i'l tell you 100000000000000000000%

if they tried that i would be down with the lads marching london!

 

 

Seems you don't shoot alot when you can come on here and say its easy, Its easy at 100 200, but start to push the limits

and you'll see, try uphill downhill shooting, or on a breezy night, Theres more skill in it than you think...

 

There is one deciding factor that no one has mentioned, And thats down to GREED... be it on the side of the rifleman or the dogman,

Unless theres a problem few foxs i never shoot past the middle to end of march.

 

If you cannot keep your head and thin numbers rather than exterminate, then you are only killing your own sport, and not ensuring a healthy population

of your target species,

 

And if fellow hunters cannot see that then they should neither have dog nor gun, unless there is a problem of the needs of the sport must cease and the killing must take place to protect livestock or crops, or from land damage,

 

 

Snap.

That wont work here though, how do you stop the fox that kills the newborn lambs, the fox that kills the grouse or pheasant sat on her nest, or the fox that kills the day old chicks as they walk fearlessly around their mother. I repeat myself, it is controlled culling, sport doesnt enter into it, but there is no room for a fox on a hill farm. You are not shooting them at the time they do the most damage.

 

 

Hmmmmm seems you only skimmed my post over without reading it properly...

As whats said above means if there is a problem then they gotta go.... simple as...