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[HUnter_zero 58]

Frankly if you have their number plate and you and the Mrs were prepared to make a formal statement as per your forum post. The chaps would lose their FAC.

 

This would be the case even if you were trespassing which is a civil offence, however threatening behaviour whilst armed with a firearm is slightly more of an issue and one that the police would love to take up on your behalf.

 

Much the same thing happened to my Mrs & I a few months back, we were walking our whippet & collie on a recently cut field, when some tit came over and threatened to shoot the dogs. I asked "so what would happen if I were to stand in the way, would you shoot?", he replied yes. So I pulled my phone out, explained that I was about to call the police and state that he had threatened that he would shoot both the dog and me . This chap tried to bluff, until I started to speak to the police, at which point he turned and ran like a bloody whippet. I guess he realised he had committed a criminal offence and had more to lose than either me or the dogs.

 

John

Edited October 25, 2011 by HUnter_zero

[The Duncan 802]

Frankly if you have their number plate and you and the Mrs were prepared to make a formal statement as per your forum post. The chaps would lose their FAC.

 

This would be the case even if you were trespassing which is a civil offence, however threatening behaviour whilst armed with a firearm is slightly more of an issue and one that the police would love to take up on your behalf.

 

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John

I couldn't agree with you more John.

Personally, the phone would have been out of my pocket in a flash calling the old bill, the moment any firearm was waved even slightly in my direction.

Intimidation with a firearm? This tosser should not have an FAC.

 

Duncan.

[HUnter_zero 58]

Frankly if you have their number plate and you and the Mrs were prepared to make a formal statement as per your forum post. The chaps would lose their FAC.

 

This would be the case even if you were trespassing which is a civil offence, however threatening behaviour whilst armed with a firearm is slightly more of an issue and one that the police would love to take up on your behalf.

 

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John

I couldn't agree with you more John.

Personally, the phone would have been out of my pocket in a flash calling the old bill, the moment any firearm was waved even slightly in my direction.

Intimidation with a firearm? This tosser should not have an FAC.

 

Duncan.

 

Would be interesting to read an update on this. I am reading more and more posts across the Internet where people seem to think they can take the law in to their own hands and face off suspected poachers/trespassers whilst waving firearms around.

There is also this misconception about shooting dogs, it's not as simple as "I'm going to shoot your dog because you are playing ball in my field".

I guess it's much the same as contracting food poisoning after a night out, people tend to put up and shut up, instead of sorting it out and reporting it. Until one day the food retailer either kills someone or ends up being closed by the public health department. Same goes for the wannabe vigilantes. One day some one will get hurt.

 

John

[paulus 26]

Frankly if you have their number plate and you and the Mrs were prepared to make a formal statement as per your forum post. The chaps would lose their FAC.

 

This would be the case even if you were trespassing which is a civil offence, however threatening behaviour whilst armed with a firearm is slightly more of an issue and one that the police would love to take up on your behalf.

 

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John

I couldn't agree with you more John.

Personally, the phone would have been out of my pocket in a flash calling the old bill, the moment any firearm was waved even slightly in my direction.

Intimidation with a firearm? This tosser should not have an FAC.

 

Duncan.

 

Would be interesting to read an update on this. I am reading more and more posts across the Internet where people seem to think they can take the law in to their own hands and face off suspected poachers/trespassers whilst waving firearms around.

There is also this misconception about shooting dogs, it's not as simple as "I'm going to shoot your dog because you are playing ball in my field".

I guess it's much the same as contracting food poisoning after a night out, people tend to put up and shut up, instead of sorting it out and reporting it. Until one day the food retailer either kills someone or ends up being closed by the public health department. Same goes for the wannabe vigilantes. One day some one will get hurt.

 

John

people already have been hurt there was a keeper jailed the other year for shooting at a 4 x 4 the round went throught the back of the vehicle throught the seats and into the front seat pasengers back. Only the landowner or his representative can shoot a dog and only then if its proveable that its been worrying/killing stock and all other alternative methods of getting the dog under control have been exhausted. its a minefield as if you shoot one with an fac gun then obviously dog isnt on your ticket etc....

[malc1 544]

hi all thanks for the advice im going to get the reg of the 4x4 the wife saw it today and wasnt sure it was the 4x4 its a blue nissan terrano and i will report it there wasnt any livestock on the land when i was on it ive been told by the farmer i can go on his land even though it is a public footpath so i will let you know what happens if anything

[The Duncan 802]

Crack on mate and atb!

 

Duncan.

[HUnter_zero 58]

there wasnt any livestock on the land when i was on it ive been told by the farmer i can go on his land

 

Makes no odds if there was livestock on the land or if you had permission to be on the land, people still can not threaten you with firearms, it's a criminal offence.

 

Good on you and the Mrs! Keep us updated.

 

John

Edited October 30, 2011 by HUnter_zero

[farmerkev09 105]

shooting someones dog that would just open a hole new can of worms i no i wunt rest if someone shot mine

[bangerstox10 3]

You can shot a dog if it is worrying your livestock but have to shout at the owner 3 times to get the dog under control. If this does not happen then you are within your rights to shoot it. Police only know criminal law not civil law Also this is why your dog should be on a lead on a footpath so it does not go and disturb the wild life.

 

1) The Dogs (Protection of Livestock) Act, 1953.

 

This legislation provides for the punishment of persons whose dogs worry livestock on agricultural land and for connected purposes. Offences can be charged against owners of dogs or persons in charge of dogs, contrary to section 1(1)and (6) of the Dogs (Protection of Livestock) Act 1953.

 

2) The Animals Act, 1971.

 

This legislation to makes provision with respect to the civil liability for damage done by animals and with respect to the protection of livestock from dogs and other connected purposes. Section 9 allows the killing or injuring of dogs which are worrying livestock, in certain circumstances. Sub-sections 9(1), 9(2), 9(3), 9(4) & ((5) explain fully.

 

You legally have to give the dog back to the owner dead, injured or alive

 

After you have shot the offending animal you have to report it to the police within 24hrs for them to take a statement.

 

The key word in this is worrying as your dog can be shot even if it is not attacking e.g. normally sheep are spread out over a field dog enters field sheep go to a tight herd like a ball shape that dog is now classed as worrying the livestock But you would normally observe the actions of the dog and owner before doing anything personally

This came from our friendly rural support policemen in kent

[davedavedave 69]

whereabouts in Shropshire did this happen?