serves the c**nt right

[Malt 379]

you can wish i dont keep animals all you like ratreeper

I know what I believe and I stick by it, I don't think you need to beat a dog and I would always act on it if I saw someone do so, even if I got my head kicked in. If that makes me arrogant then I suppose I will have to live with that because I would never condone something I see as wrong.

 

Greg, let me quote what you said :

 

"i batterd that dog with those dead chickens and i mean batterd,there was nothing left of those chickens,when i,d finnished hitting the dog with them,"

 

To me it sounds like you lost your temper and took it out on the dog. I think that makes you a coward, but it is just my the way I see it when someone hurts an animal or beats a woman. You can justify it all you want that you were discipling and got the results you wanted but that doesn't make it right.

 

Anyway I should stick to what I said and stop arguing this now, it just really fucks me off I can't help commenting.

your f****n right i lost my temper,it ate my f****n chickens,what would you have done,naughty naughty dog,bad boy,

 

If I kept chickens and a dog, I would have made sure it was stock broken. If this was a one-off which does happen then if you are trully in control of your dog you can make it submit with a stern look and body language. If you really need to you can pin it down until it relaxes and fully submits and it will learn it's lesson. You have to be the leader and a good leader stays calm, anger makes you look unstable. Same in the human world actually, would you respect a boss who kicks off in your face or one who is confident and doesn't f**k about? Insighting fear in a dog doesn't always solve a problem, but it can often create a worse one.

 

I don't want to sound like a prick, I just really don't think you should harm a dog. At it's best it is bad training and at it's worse it's as cowardly as beating a woman.

 

Have you got much experience with terriers? It doesn't sound like you do..

[greg64 2,849]

you can wish i dont keep animals all you like ratreeper

I know what I believe and I stick by it, I don't think you need to beat a dog and I would always act on it if I saw someone do so, even if I got my head kicked in. If that makes me arrogant then I suppose I will have to live with that because I would never condone something I see as wrong.

 

Greg, let me quote what you said :

 

"i batterd that dog with those dead chickens and i mean batterd,there was nothing left of those chickens,when i,d finnished hitting the dog with them,"

 

To me it sounds like you lost your temper and took it out on the dog. I think that makes you a coward, but it is just my the way I see it when someone hurts an animal or beats a woman. You can justify it all you want that you were discipling and got the results you wanted but that doesn't make it right.

 

Anyway I should stick to what I said and stop arguing this now, it just really fucks me off I can't help commenting.

your f****n right i lost my temper,it ate my f****n chickens,what would you have done,naughty naughty dog,bad boy,

 

If I kept chickens and a dog, I would have made sure it was stock broken. If this was a one-off which does happen then if you are trully in control of your dog you can make it submit with a stern look and body language. If you really need to you can pin it down until it relaxes and fully submits and it will learn it's lesson. You have to be the leader and a good leader stays calm, anger makes you look unstable. Same in the human world actually, would you respect a boss who kicks off in your face or one who is confident and doesn't f**k about? Insighting fear in a dog doesn't always solve a problem, but it can often create a worse one.

 

I don't want to sound like a prick, I just really don't think you should harm a dog. At it's best it is bad training and at it's worse it's as cowardly as beating a woman.

 

Have you got much experience with terriers? It doesn't sound like you do..

i could make that dog submit with a a stern look and body language,you are f****n hilarious,who are you,dr f****n doolittle ,so putting a dog in its place is akin to being a women beater,give it a rest love , i take it your a women ,i,ll say no more on the subject

[Malt 379]

 

i could make that dog submit with a a stern look and body language,you are f****n hilarious,who are you,dr f****n doolittle ,so putting a dog in its place is akin to being a women beater,give it a rest love , i take it your a women ,i,ll say no more on the subject

Was that aimed at me Greg? I was agreeing with you!

[greg64 2,849]

 

i could make that dog submit with a a stern look and body language,you are f****n hilarious,who are you,dr f****n doolittle ,so putting a dog in its place is akin to being a women beater,give it a rest love , i take it your a women ,i,ll say no more on the subject

Was that aimed at me Greg? I was agreeing with you!

no mate it was,nt, it was aimed at dr ratreeper doolittle lol

Edited October 28, 2011 by greg64

[Ratreeper 441]

Haha no not a woman, don't know what that says about either of us!

 

Like I said I am not a hippy, wild dog packs and wolves aren't exactly cuddling each other. The leader will be pretty aggressive when putting another dog/wolf in its place but it isn't just taking its anger out on it and it stops when it submits. I am not the world best dog trainer, nowhere near but I follow the examples of people who get good results. The calmest packs I have seen are treated with authority and disclipline but always by a calm leader, who would never hurt them.

Just beating a dog because you get angry is completely different, which is why I compare it to beating a woman. I can see we will never agree on this. You can get a dog to submit like I described, hopefully someone reading this will agree with me as you clearly think I am talking bollocks. I don't know why you think you know it all if you can't even stock break a dog to your own chickens or get it to respect you as the alpha, that's rule number 1 ffs.

[greg64 2,849]

well i no what i,m doing this weekend,i,m going to be practicing my paddington hard stare

[Ratreeper 441]

well i no what i,m doing this weekend,i,m going to be practicing my paddington hard stare

 

ha and i'm going to keep my girlfriend away from my xbox by wacking her with it, I tried staring at her but she keeps f*****g touching it

[rob190364 2,594]

The fat retard is probably a member on here. Good on the fella that taped it. All the dickheads that yell and shout about 'grasses' on here make me laugh. Hard c**ts can hit an animal but shit themselves if faced with somebody bigger.

why exactly? what a bizarre assumption! it's nothing to do with hunting whatsoever, a bloke hit his staffy for whining at the door.......what links him to THL? I don't understand.

[chook1 184]

Sorry but disagree with all of you, everyone loose's their temper at times - and no one can ever realy say they have never hit their dog

at least 90% of us have done it at one time or another, but it dosent realy teach a dog anything except fear,

i would sooner work on a problem in hand, rather than beat or pin a dog in to submission and just mask the problem.

 

ratreeper - pinning a dog is just as bad, dogs dont pin each other and neither do wolfs - the alpha myth was debunked a long time ago

a leader should never show any form of agression and that includes pinning.

http://k9domain.org/alpha_theory.aspx

 

I didnt see all that vid - but what i did see was a dog cowering at one point, so more than likily it has been beaten

more than the times shown, with the looks of it, the dog is probably whining to go in the house, it scratch's at the door at one point,

and someone comes out and it gets hit - all's its teaching the dog is to be fearfull and in turn can create an agressive dog

or one that will just cower on sight of people, its not teaching the dog to stop whining or scratching at the door is it.

 

And whats it teaching the child - that beating a dog for no resion at all is aceptable,

whining and scratching at the door to go in is not an acceptable reasion to hit or kick a dog

 

With the mob that attacked him and his home, it shouldnt be condoned,

they should not have done that simple as - there are other ways of sorting things

other than violence.

[rob190364 2,594]

Sorry but disagree with all of you, everyone loose's their temper at times - and no one can ever realy say they have never hit their dog

at least 90% of us have done it at one time or another, but it dosent realy teach a dog anything except fear,

i would sooner work on a problem in hand, rather than beat or pin a dog in to submission and just mask the problem.

 

ratreeper - pinning a dog is just as bad, dogs dont pin each other and neither do wolfs - the alpha myth was debunked a long time ago

a leader should never show any form of agression and that includes pinning.

http://k9domain.org/alpha_theory.aspx

 

I didnt see all that vid - but what i did see was a dog cowering at one point, so more than likily it has been beaten

more than the times shown, with the looks of it, the dog is probably whining to go in the house, it scratch's at the door at one point,

and someone comes out and it gets hit - all's its teaching the dog is to be fearfull and in turn can create an agressive dog

or one that will just cower on sight of people, its not teaching the dog to stop whining or scratching at the door is it.

 

And whats it teaching the child - that beating a dog for no resion at all is aceptable,

whining and scratching at the door to go in is not an acceptable reasion to hit or kick a dog

 

With the mob that attacked him and his home, it shouldnt be condoned,

they should not have done that simple as - there are other ways of sorting things

other than violence.

your theory is bollocks for a start........I don't hit my lurcher but if she's done something wrong and I shout at her or approach her in an assertive way she cowers, as I would imagine 99% of dogs do! if they don't you've got a problem cos it's challenging you!!!

[chook1 184]

Sorry but disagree with all of you, everyone loose's their temper at times - and no one can ever realy say they have never hit their dog

at least 90% of us have done it at one time or another, but it dosent realy teach a dog anything except fear,

i would sooner work on a problem in hand, rather than beat or pin a dog in to submission and just mask the problem.

 

ratreeper - pinning a dog is just as bad, dogs dont pin each other and neither do wolfs - the alpha myth was debunked a long time ago

a leader should never show any form of agression and that includes pinning.

http://k9domain.org/alpha_theory.aspx

 

I didnt see all that vid - but what i did see was a dog cowering at one point, so more than likily it has been beaten

more than the times shown, with the looks of it, the dog is probably whining to go in the house, it scratch's at the door at one point,

and someone comes out and it gets hit - all's its teaching the dog is to be fearfull and in turn can create an agressive dog

or one that will just cower on sight of people, its not teaching the dog to stop whining or scratching at the door is it.

 

And whats it teaching the child - that beating a dog for no resion at all is aceptable,

whining and scratching at the door to go in is not an acceptable reasion to hit or kick a dog

 

With the mob that attacked him and his home, it shouldnt be condoned,

they should not have done that simple as - there are other ways of sorting things

other than violence.

your theory is bollocks for a start........I don't hit my lurcher but if she's done something wrong and I shout at her or approach her in an assertive way she cowers, as I would imagine 99% of dogs do! if they don't you've got a problem cos it's challenging you!!!

 

 

no not one of my dogs cower - ive got 6 hear

and not one cowers if i shout - they stop what they are doing or go off sulking

but certanily none cower and none of them challenge me either,

why would i want my dogs cowering.

 

If your dog is cowering then your domanating it or its a submissive dog anyway.

 

If you look at that vid properly, the second that door opens - the dog runs to the right side of the door and drops almost to the floor cowering,

normal balanced dogs dont do that.

[rob190364 2,594]

Sorry but disagree with all of you, everyone loose's their temper at times - and no one can ever realy say they have never hit their dog

at least 90% of us have done it at one time or another, but it dosent realy teach a dog anything except fear,

i would sooner work on a problem in hand, rather than beat or pin a dog in to submission and just mask the problem.

 

ratreeper - pinning a dog is just as bad, dogs dont pin each other and neither do wolfs - the alpha myth was debunked a long time ago

a leader should never show any form of agression and that includes pinning.

http://k9domain.org/alpha_theory.aspx

 

I didnt see all that vid - but what i did see was a dog cowering at one point, so more than likily it has been beaten

more than the times shown, with the looks of it, the dog is probably whining to go in the house, it scratch's at the door at one point,

and someone comes out and it gets hit - all's its teaching the dog is to be fearfull and in turn can create an agressive dog

or one that will just cower on sight of people, its not teaching the dog to stop whining or scratching at the door is it.

 

And whats it teaching the child - that beating a dog for no resion at all is aceptable,

whining and scratching at the door to go in is not an acceptable reasion to hit or kick a dog

 

With the mob that attacked him and his home, it shouldnt be condoned,

they should not have done that simple as - there are other ways of sorting things

other than violence.

your theory is bollocks for a start........I don't hit my lurcher but if she's done something wrong and I shout at her or approach her in an assertive way she cowers, as I would imagine 99% of dogs do! if they don't you've got a problem cos it's challenging you!!!

 

 

no not one of my dogs cower - ive got 6 hear

and not one cowers if i shout - they stop what they are doing or go off sulking

but certanily none cower and none of them challenge me either,

why would i want my dogs cowering.

 

If your dog is cowering then your domanating it or its a submissive dog anyway.

 

If you look at that vid properly, the second that door opens - the dog runs to the right side of the door and drops almost to the floor cowering,

normal balanced dogs dont do that.

to be honest, watching it again I agree. That's not just dropping down it's shitting itself. I don't agree about the dominance thing being wrong though, dogs are pack animals and packs have a domimant member, which should be you.

 

This is all sounding very familiar!!!! you're not 6pack under another ID by any chance are you???

 

http://www.thehuntinglife.com/forums/topic/219957-rspca-investgate-tv-dog-trainner/page__st__105

[chook1 184]

Sorry but disagree with all of you, everyone loose's their temper at times - and no one can ever realy say they have never hit their dog

at least 90% of us have done it at one time or another, but it dosent realy teach a dog anything except fear,

i would sooner work on a problem in hand, rather than beat or pin a dog in to submission and just mask the problem.

 

ratreeper - pinning a dog is just as bad, dogs dont pin each other and neither do wolfs - the alpha myth was debunked a long time ago

a leader should never show any form of agression and that includes pinning.

http://k9domain.org/alpha_theory.aspx

 

I didnt see all that vid - but what i did see was a dog cowering at one point, so more than likily it has been beaten

more than the times shown, with the looks of it, the dog is probably whining to go in the house, it scratch's at the door at one point,

and someone comes out and it gets hit - all's its teaching the dog is to be fearfull and in turn can create an agressive dog

or one that will just cower on sight of people, its not teaching the dog to stop whining or scratching at the door is it.

 

And whats it teaching the child - that beating a dog for no resion at all is aceptable,

whining and scratching at the door to go in is not an acceptable reasion to hit or kick a dog

 

With the mob that attacked him and his home, it shouldnt be condoned,

they should not have done that simple as - there are other ways of sorting things

other than violence.

your theory is bollocks for a start........I don't hit my lurcher but if she's done something wrong and I shout at her or approach her in an assertive way she cowers, as I would imagine 99% of dogs do! if they don't you've got a problem cos it's challenging you!!!

 

 

no not one of my dogs cower - ive got 6 hear

and not one cowers if i shout - they stop what they are doing or go off sulking

but certanily none cower and none of them challenge me either,

why would i want my dogs cowering.

 

If your dog is cowering then your domanating it or its a submissive dog anyway.

 

If you look at that vid properly, the second that door opens - the dog runs to the right side of the door and drops almost to the floor cowering,

normal balanced dogs dont do that.

to be honest, watching it again I agree. That's not just dropping down it's shitting itself. I don't agree about the dominance thing being wrong though, dogs are pack animals and packs have a domimant member, which should be you.

 

This is all sounding very familiar!!!! you're not 6pack under another ID by any chance are you???

 

http://www.thehuntin...r/page__st__105

 

 

Nope but she is a friend lol

 

Just to add i dont work off dominance - i work off trust and respect,

and consisity (sp)

Edited October 28, 2011 by chook1

[rob190364 2,594]

Sorry but disagree with all of you, everyone loose's their temper at times - and no one can ever realy say they have never hit their dog

at least 90% of us have done it at one time or another, but it dosent realy teach a dog anything except fear,

i would sooner work on a problem in hand, rather than beat or pin a dog in to submission and just mask the problem.

 

ratreeper - pinning a dog is just as bad, dogs dont pin each other and neither do wolfs - the alpha myth was debunked a long time ago

a leader should never show any form of agression and that includes pinning.

http://k9domain.org/alpha_theory.aspx

 

I didnt see all that vid - but what i did see was a dog cowering at one point, so more than likily it has been beaten

more than the times shown, with the looks of it, the dog is probably whining to go in the house, it scratch's at the door at one point,

and someone comes out and it gets hit - all's its teaching the dog is to be fearfull and in turn can create an agressive dog

or one that will just cower on sight of people, its not teaching the dog to stop whining or scratching at the door is it.

 

And whats it teaching the child - that beating a dog for no resion at all is aceptable,

whining and scratching at the door to go in is not an acceptable reasion to hit or kick a dog

 

With the mob that attacked him and his home, it shouldnt be condoned,

they should not have done that simple as - there are other ways of sorting things

other than violence.

your theory is bollocks for a start........I don't hit my lurcher but if she's done something wrong and I shout at her or approach her in an assertive way she cowers, as I would imagine 99% of dogs do! if they don't you've got a problem cos it's challenging you!!!

 

 

no not one of my dogs cower - ive got 6 hear

and not one cowers if i shout - they stop what they are doing or go off sulking

but certanily none cower and none of them challenge me either,

why would i want my dogs cowering.

 

If your dog is cowering then your domanating it or its a submissive dog anyway.

 

If you look at that vid properly, the second that door opens - the dog runs to the right side of the door and drops almost to the floor cowering,

normal balanced dogs dont do that.

to be honest, watching it again I agree. That's not just dropping down it's shitting itself. I don't agree about the dominance thing being wrong though, dogs are pack animals and packs have a domimant member, which should be you.

 

This is all sounding very familiar!!!! you're not 6pack under another ID by any chance are you???

 

http://www.thehuntin...r/page__st__105

 

 

Nope but she is a friend lol

 

Just to add i dont work off dominance - i work off trust and respect,

and consisity (sp)

God, what a nightmare you pair must be!!

 

just to add, you can be the dominant one and still have trust and respect you know. Being the dominant one doesn't mean you have to beat the dog black and blue! it just means the dog knows you're the boss.

 

That's all I'm going to add, the subject does my head in to be honest with all the fanny arsed theories about how the pack rule doesn't apply etc. It's a pack animal therefore the pack rule/pecking order applies, it's as simple as that IMO!

[Ratreeper 441]

Sorry mate but this sounds like a contradiction to me

 

"ratreeper - pinning a dog is just as bad, dogs dont pin each other and neither do wolfs - the alpha myth was debunked a long time ago

a leader should never show any form of agression and that includes pinning."

 

How can there not be an alpha but still be a leader?

 

I agree a dog shouldn't cower, when my rottie did something wrong I would give a stern 'oi' and he would lower his head submissively (not scared) and respectfully walk over to heel. Not being anthropomorphic about it, he wasn't saying sorry he was showing his respect for the leader and his body language would lower. I have seen footage of an omega wolf slouch so it doesn't stand over the alpha, also the alpha will constantly dominate by putting their head over the weaker male. I will read your link, but it sounds like hippy bollocks to me.

 

How is pinning a dog as bad? I am not talking about forcing a dog down, just using commands to get to lie down using slight force until it relaxes and fully submits if it tries to ignore you. I can only recall doing it once with my rottie which is when he damn nearly tore my hutches apart to get at my ferret (in the early days). So I got him to lay on his side and calm down, put the ferret in front of him so he could get familiar and if he showed any aggression I corrected it vocally with a stern 'oi' or a quick poke cesar milan style. He was always respectful and calm after that, no need to beat a dog. Dogs don't hold a grudge for being lower in the pack, they might become aggressive if you hit them.