cartridge size

[b53hunt 15]

what is the largest cartridge you can legally buy for a shotgun with just a shotgun license thanks

[SportingShooter 0]

Not really sure what you mean.

 

Are you talking in terms of length of shell, weight of shot, shot size or largest bore?

[b53hunt 15]

for the 12 g which cartridge is the largest in shot size and weight

[jack68 628]

you can get slugs thats the largest size for wild bore..if thats what you ment..atb

[SportingShooter 0]

for the 12 g which cartridge is the largest in shot size and weight

 

Well you can get solid slugs (one lump of lead, normally rifled) but they can only be purchased using an FAC as they are FAC rated ammunition and have to be fired through an FAC Shotgun.

 

With shot, the largest commercially produced is called "LG" or Large Game, which in a 36gr load is 5 lumps of lead. LG is rarely seen, SG, the next step down, which is 9 lumps is commonly found in most gun shops.

 

Neither have any sort of pattern and i've found to be utterly useless unless you happen to be standing next to the thing you're shooting.

 

As for weight, the heaviest i've seen commercially loaded was 64gr in a 3 1/2" case which is a very heavy load indeed.

[HUnter_zero 58]

Well you can get solid slugs (one lump of lead, normally rifled) but they can only be purchased using an FAC as they are FAC rated ammunition and have to be fired through an FAC Shotgun.

 

Is that right? I was under the impression that "X" bore solid slug can be entered on to an FAC. Hey, all this talk of large bore stuff is a bit worrying............

 

B53hunt; trust me large bore shotgun ammo is not very effective at all, little bit like trying to hit a goose with a .410 seems like a good idea, just don't work very well. Many years ago, a friend and I had a load of SG cartridges given to us, we set up a 50gal steel drum at 60 yards and shot 10 rounds at it, we hit the drum once. If you NEED big bore stuff, do the job properly and apply for an FAC, buy a couple of high seats and sort things out. If I recall you had issues with deer (?), I or many others on here would be only to happy to come over and sort the deer out for you but big bore shotgun stuff isn't that good IMHO.

 

John

[SportingShooter 0]

Well you can get solid slugs (one lump of lead, normally rifled) but they can only be purchased using an FAC as they are FAC rated ammunition and have to be fired through an FAC Shotgun.

 

Is that right? I was under the impression that "X" bore solid slug can be entered on to an FAC. Hey, all this talk of large bore stuff is a bit worrying............

 

B53hunt; trust me large bore shotgun ammo is not very effective at all, little bit like trying to hit a goose with a .410 seems like a good idea, just don't work very well. Many years ago, a friend and I had a load of SG cartridges given to us, we set up a 50gal steel drum at 60 yards and shot 10 rounds at it, we hit the drum once. If you NEED big bore stuff, do the job properly and apply for an FAC, buy a couple of high seats and sort things out. If I recall you had issues with deer (?), I or many others on here would be only to happy to come over and sort the deer out for you but big bore shotgun stuff isn't that good IMHO.

 

John

 

I'm almost certain it is John, problem is, I can't recall where I read it X bore?

 

I agree with the larger shot being useless, couldn't hit a 1m x1m target at 40 yards and it wasn't for lack of trying, if anything for Deer then AAA shot. AAA is actually specified in the legislation I seem to recall.

[markha 99]

LG & SG only good for one thing, blowing door hinges for a method of entry

edited: Always wear goggles

[Born Hunter 17,751]

I would also point out how bloody dangerous SG carts are! I believe each pellet has a greater mass (61 grain?) than that of a .22 rimmy bullet (45grain?) and travel at about the same velocity! When firing these carts you have to think more like you are shooting a rifle than a shotty in terms of safety. They're dangerous and practically useless in this country. Why we need an FAC for a .22 rimmy but can buy SG carts on a shotty cert is beyond me!

[SportingShooter 0]

I would also point out how bloody dangerous SG carts are! I believe each pellet has a greater mass (61 grain?) than that of a .22 rimmy bullet (45grain?) and travel at about the same velocity! When firing these carts you have to think more like you are shooting a rifle than a shotty in terms of safety. They're dangerous and practically useless in this country. Why we need an FAC for a .22 rimmy but can buy SG carts on a shotty cert is beyond me!

 

They are lethal. The shot is 9mm diameter, so really you are firing 9 x 9mm projectiles at not much less than they would be fired out of a pistol.

 

When I fired a few at my pattern target, when I managed to hit it at 30 yards, it was going straight through 4" of hardwood.

[Born Hunter 17,751]

I would also point out how bloody dangerous SG carts are! I believe each pellet has a greater mass (61 grain?) than that of a .22 rimmy bullet (45grain?) and travel at about the same velocity! When firing these carts you have to think more like you are shooting a rifle than a shotty in terms of safety. They're dangerous and practically useless in this country. Why we need an FAC for a .22 rimmy but can buy SG carts on a shotty cert is beyond me!

 

They are lethal. The shot is 9mm diameter, so really you are firing 9 x 9mm projectiles at not much less than they would be fired out of a pistol.

 

When I fired a few at my pattern target, when I managed to hit it at 30 yards, it was going straight through 4" of hardwood.

 

I've messed about with a box before. I bought them for knocking crows nests out with and found them f*****g useless compared to even an ounce of No.6 as the pellets just wiz straight through the nests without really departing any energy to give the necessary 'punch'. It wasnt untill after I realised how dangerous what I had done was! You get lured into a false sense of safety because its a shotgun when you should be thinking its more akin to a rifle.

 

I have also patterned a couple through half choke in my beretta AL390 and it was good enough for fox at 25 yards but powerfull enough to kill a cow I should think! On inspection one of the pellets had torn through 2.5 inches of fence post!

 

The only real use I can think of for them would be following up a wounded large game animal in wooded area or thick brush. Even then I would be inclined to use 50grams of BB for safety reasons.

[SportingShooter 0]

I would also point out how bloody dangerous SG carts are! I believe each pellet has a greater mass (61 grain?) than that of a .22 rimmy bullet (45grain?) and travel at about the same velocity! When firing these carts you have to think more like you are shooting a rifle than a shotty in terms of safety. They're dangerous and practically useless in this country. Why we need an FAC for a .22 rimmy but can buy SG carts on a shotty cert is beyond me!

 

They are lethal. The shot is 9mm diameter, so really you are firing 9 x 9mm projectiles at not much less than they would be fired out of a pistol.

 

When I fired a few at my pattern target, when I managed to hit it at 30 yards, it was going straight through 4" of hardwood.

 

I've messed about with a box before. I bought them for knocking crows nests out with and found them f*****g useless compared to even an ounce of No.6 as the pellets just wiz straight through the nests without really departing any energy to give the necessary 'punch'. It wasnt untill after I realised how dangerous what I had done was! You get lured into a false sense of safety because its a shotgun when you should be thinking its more akin to a rifle.

 

I have also patterned a couple through half choke in my beretta AL390 and it was good enough for fox at 25 yards but powerfull enough to kill a cow I should think! On inspection one of the pellets had torn through 2.5 inches of fence post!

 

The only real use I can think of for them would be following up a wounded large game animal in wooded area or thick brush. Even then I would be inclined to use 50grams of BB for safety reasons.

 

I have a box here of odd shells which I seem to be given by people giving up or that they have found in the loft or whatever. Strangely loads of them are SGs

 

I'd have no hesitation in thinking that they could kill the heaviest bull if they landed in the right place but for wounded large game or foxes, heavy BB or AAA will do me.

[b53hunt 15]

thanks for the replies guys its given me alot to think about

[HUnter_zero 58]

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Is that right? I was under the impression that "X" bore solid slug can be entered on to an FAC.

John

 

I'm almost certain it is John, problem is, I can't recall where I read it X bore?

 

You might well be right buddy. However, I am % sure that we can have solid slugs on our FAC (with good reason) and shoot from a standard shotgun held on a SGC. The separation classification for FAC classed shotguns and non-FAC shotguns being only the magazine capacity and not the projectile classification.

 

Solid slugs are bloody dangerous, close range the power is extremely high being able to crack engine blocks with relative ease. I witnessed tests, one brick course and one cinder block course with cavity insulation, a solid slug penetrated both courses.

 

"Rifled" slugs are fairly accurate out to 60 yards.

 

John