Shiftyhun 1 Posted October 20, 2011 Report Share Posted October 20, 2011 If u think an air rifle n not enough powerfull, pls watch these vids: www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLwX9DxICR8 or www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qp3nwFFSBTA&feature=fvwrel If it doesen't opens, type "fox hunting air rifle" If U still doesen't believe me, type " hog hunting air rifle" to youtube. Quote Link to post
nod 285 Posted October 20, 2011 Report Share Posted October 20, 2011 they are not sub 12ft lb air rifles they are fac, bit different Quote Link to post
jazz_11 5 Posted October 20, 2011 Report Share Posted October 20, 2011 If u think an air rifle n not enough powerfull, pls watch these vids: www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLwX9DxICR8 or www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qp3nwFFSBTA&feature=fvwrel If it doesen't opens, type "fox hunting air rifle" If U still doesen't believe me, type " hog hunting air rifle" to youtube. the mentality of some people Quote Link to post
Shiftyhun 1 Posted October 21, 2011 Report Share Posted October 21, 2011 I never said, they are sub. 12 fpe airguns, but these kills are not made from 10 cm, but from 20-50m I think. I saw people shhoting foxes from 20-30 cm with a (!) sub. 7.5J (!) airgun, and the fox drops instantly and immediatly. If u never tried dispatching a fox with an airgun, pls don't try to argue about "why it is unethical, to kill a fox with an air rifle"! If anyone thinks 0.001 second is too long suffering for an animal, then (it is yus my oppinion, but) f...k off! The minimal power, neseceary to kill a fox is about 0.12 on the Taylor KO value. A .177 airgun, witch is about 11.5 fpe procuces 0.12 from 35m, and 0.16 from 5 m. If u want to comlaim, then do it at this "Taylor". If U doesen't believe me, download ChairgunPro and try it. Quote Link to post
danw 1,748 Posted October 21, 2011 Report Share Posted October 21, 2011 I never said, they are sub. 12 fpe airguns, but these kills are not made from 10 cm, but from 20-50m I think. I saw people shhoting foxes from 20-30 cm with a (!) sub. 7.5J (!) airgun, and the fox drops instantly and immediatly. If u never tried dispatching a fox with an airgun, pls don't try to argue about "why it is unethical, to kill a fox with an air rifle"! If anyone thinks 0.001 second is too long suffering for an animal, then (it is yus my oppinion, but) f...k off! The minimal power, neseceary to kill a fox is about 0.12 on the Taylor KO value. A .177 airgun, witch is about 11.5 fpe procuces 0.12 from 35m, and 0.16 from 5 m. If u want to comlaim, then do it at this "Taylor". If U doesen't believe me, download ChairgunPro and try it. It is widely known that the taylor ko value is bollocks as shown This is the formula: Bullet-diameter x Bullet-weight x Velocity / 7000 = T.K.O. My POV is that the T.K.O. value is just plain wrong as a measure of "lethality." For instance, we are given the TKO of the .454 bullet is 34 and that of the 30-06 bullet is 21.2. Let's now calculate the TKO of a thrown 2200 grain baseball of 2.875 inches at 147 fps (about 100 mph as thrown by a pro pitcher) 147 x 2200 x 2.875 / 7000 = 132.825 T.K.O. So is a thrown baseball going to be about 4 times more "lethal" than a .454 bullet and over 6 times moreso than a .30-06????? Quote Link to post
Shiftyhun 1 Posted October 22, 2011 Report Share Posted October 22, 2011 No one threw a baseball to my head so far, so I can't realy take point. As I calculated, 2200 grain is about 15dgk, it is possibly not as powerful as a .30-06, but can surely kill a rabbit. Quote Link to post
fat man 4,741 Posted October 22, 2011 Report Share Posted October 22, 2011 You should have just got on with it and said nothing,what people dont know wont hurt them,and if your cage cannot be seen by the neighbours how is anybody in athourity goin to see or know its there. Quote Link to post
stubby 175 Posted October 24, 2011 Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 . . Think about when you catch your fox, he will distressed and moving about like crazy - how are you meant to get a decent shot? You certainly wont be able to put the weapon close up to his head just to him being frantic. you must get diffferent foxes where you live then, as all the foxes that I trap and cull, lay down in the cage like a cat or dog would awaiting release, Ive never had one acting the way you describe Quote Link to post
Qbgrey 4,096 Posted October 24, 2011 Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 . . Think about when you catch your fox, he will distressed and moving about like crazy - how are you meant to get a decent shot? You certainly wont be able to put the weapon close up to his head just to him being frantic. you must get diffferent foxes where you live then, as all the foxes that I trap and cull, lay down in the cage like a cat or dog would awaiting release, Ive never had one acting the way you describe spot on stubby,a caged fox just lays thier,many years ago i caught a fox in a trap and for some reason i had no time to drive it my land a shotgun it,so i put a old airgun in its ear and it dropped stone dead,now i dont recomend it but if the angle is right it dont suffer.prob get in trouble using a firearm in the garden.double or treble strand elec fence may be the better option. Quote Link to post
Shiftyhun 1 Posted October 25, 2011 Report Share Posted October 25, 2011 . . Think about when you catch your fox, he will distressed and moving about like crazy - how are you meant to get a decent shot? You certainly wont be able to put the weapon close up to his head just to him being frantic. you must get diffferent foxes where you live then, as all the foxes that I trap and cull, lay down in the cage like a cat or dog would awaiting release, Ive never had one acting the way you describe spot on stubby,a caged fox just lays thier,many years ago i caught a fox in a trap and for some reason i had no time to drive it my land a shotgun it,so i put a old airgun in its ear and it dropped stone dead,now i dont recomend it but if the angle is right it dont suffer.prob get in trouble using a firearm in the garden.double or treble strand elec fence may be the better option. I agree. I doesen't know too mutch about English laws, and, to be honest, I doesen't care about them (beacuse I'm not english), nor the Hungaryan ones (beacuse I'm not a communist), so I have my own laws. In my oppinion, any ethical weapons are legal. "Every people should have their own oppinions, but the man, who arrogantly believes that, the local law can say the diference between ethical and unethical, is not a humane beeing anymore." I hope u can understood my translate Quote Link to post
Squirrel_Basher 17,100 Posted October 25, 2011 Report Share Posted October 25, 2011 Get yourself a dog and stop moaning.Just trap the feckers and despatch with the airgun .Used to shoot loads where i worked with a webley hurricane pistol in traps and on the snare line .Airgun in the right hands is as deadly as a .22 live ,fact . 2 Quote Link to post
Night Hunter 109 Posted October 25, 2011 Report Share Posted October 25, 2011 perhaps if you give a rough location someone who has the means of dispatch may offer a free cull sevice. Quote Link to post
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