Giving up is coming close

[MissRhianL 70]

Back to basics, and on a lead, stock training is a 1st with any working dog, he senses hes got the upper hand with you

its not about him knowin that hes having the upper hand with me, many dogs i know ppl have tried breakin them to stock an it just cant be done wit some dogs unfortunately. Ppl make it sound so easy typing tellin ppl what to do but sorry puttin it into practise is another matter, we have all been there but some ppl r too proud to say that their dog has faults an im more than happy to tell ppl mine as some ppl can relate to the same problems that im having. Ppl will try several methods before they break which one works for their dog, but it dont mean that 1 thing he tried an succeeded in will work for every other dog. In the day the dogs recall is about % needs more improving but should come over time but night time its a different story. I apprechiate all the comments to this post its just tryin to figure out what can be done to break the habits

[Malt 379]

Back to basics, and on a lead, stock training is a 1st with any working dog, he senses hes got the upper hand with you

its not about him knowin that hes having the upper hand with me, many dogs i know ppl have tried breakin them to stock an it just cant be done wit some dogs unfortunately. Ppl make it sound so easy typing tellin ppl what to do but sorry puttin it into practise is another matter, we have all been there but some ppl r too proud to say that their dog has faults an im more than happy to tell ppl mine as some ppl can relate to the same problems that im having. Ppl will try several methods before they break which one works for their dog, but it dont mean that 1 thing he tried an succeeded in will work for every other dog. In the day the dogs recall is about % needs more improving but should come over time but night time its a different story. I apprechiate all the comments to this post its just tryin to figure out what can be done to break the habits

 

I don't get your post. You're asking for advice then getting defensive when people are offering their opinions..

 

No need for the text talk either...

[skycat 6,173]

Why don't you contact Jim Greenwood: if anyone can sort the dog out he can: http://www.jandjgreenwood.co.uk/

 

Not only is Jim a good dog trainer, he is also a lurcher man who works his dogs in the field, and he understands better than most the issues that people can have with dogs which need retraining.

[whin 463]

doesnt sound a lost cause a lot of welsh miners in the strike would had loved a god mutton chomper 5 out 5 single handed 70 pound a carcase lol

[graham4877 1,181]

Back to basics, and on a lead, stock training is a 1st with any working dog, he senses hes got the upper hand with you

its not about him knowin that hes having the upper hand with me, many dogs i know ppl have tried breakin them to stock an it just cant be done wit some dogs unfortunately. Ppl make it sound so easy typing tellin ppl what to do but sorry puttin it into practise is another matter, we have all been there but some ppl r too proud to say that their dog has faults an im more than happy to tell ppl mine as some ppl can relate to the same problems that im having. Ppl will try several methods before they break which one works for their dog, but it dont mean that 1 thing he tried an succeeded in will work for every other dog. In the day the dogs recall is about % needs more improving but should come over time but night time its a different story. I apprechiate all the comments to this post its just tryin to figure out what can be done to break the habits

 

 

 

Ppl's trying to help you and your getting very defensive, knowone's calling you or the dog they just trying to help, if you don't want it then

Take the dog out in the back yard and give it a subsonic, or let it go and kill some sheep!

[ftm 3,357]

i agree with the post .about him getting the upper hand with you ,just start right back to square one basic training reward him with treats ignore him when he ignores you,dogs arent thick they soon learn about thehand that feeds them just dont give up good luck girl

[terra x 0]

i agree back to basics there a strong breed even a 3/4 bred dont let it take the p##s dont give up if you like the dog atb with it

[morton 5,368]

If the dog cannot be broken to stock and it likes to wander out of control,then as a responsible owner id pts.

[boyo 1,398]

and living in wales theres 2 big problems 1 is sheep and 2 if your caught with a shock collar your in deep shit . as their banned.

[the big chief 3,099]

and living in wales theres 2 big problems 1 is sheep and 2 if your caught with a shock collar your in deep shit . as their banned.

OH SHIT forgot they wher band

[littlefish 585]

How long have you had the dog?

[alan626 305]

if the dog doesent lisen to u kick the heart out of him he will soon learn only joking back to basics mate keep walking him trough fields of sheep on a lead then when u can trust him then worry about recall

[predatorman 54]

try to guarantee a run on your quarry when you slip the dog. the dog needs to see what its supposed to chase so he builds a working relationship with you. if it is'nt getting a chase every time it'l just bugger off and find its own sport. end of run, lamp off until he's back. i would'nt run near livestock until its got the return sorted out. atb

[MissRhianL 70]

For who asked iv had him 6wks. I take him out walkin around sheep on the lead he dont look at them or pull for them soon as hes off he sees one hes gone, i call him an completely ignores me so after the 1st time he did that, he doesnt go off the lead around sheep an most certainly wont run him in fields where there are sheep too. It is a pain in the ass but i cant chance him. Yday was a bit improvement wit his recall an had him walkin by my side without the lead, but it seems hes a completely diff dog in the night. I hope i can get him to break out of it but i think its gonna be a long journey but i hope its gonna be a good one wit results!

[skycat 6,173]

If you've only had the dog 6 weeks, and he's had numerous owners before you got him, don't you think that your'e running before you can walk? It can take months and months to build a real bond with a dog, especially one that has obviously never been trained properly. Look at it from the dog's point of view. Humans are untrustworthy, they are nothing to him: they come and go. Only the prey is there, always, in front of the dog, waiting to be run and caught.. It is the only thing he can connect to. Without a real connection to a human, the dog is just like a wild predator, it does what it wants, not what you want.

 

But because the dog is a domestic creature, and he's been brought up by humans, he isn't scared or them, or aggressive. Even if he realises what you want him to do, because he has never had the chance to form a strong bond with one person, his drive and instinct over rides the commands you give him. You are just the thing on the end of the lead, the person who takes him to where the prey is, after that, his drive and instincts take over. You are not important. The only way you can get the dog on side is to bond with him, take him back to basics, train him the way YOU want him to do things. All this takes a lot of time and commitment on your part.........like I said earlier, months and months with some dogs. During this time you shouldn't be hunting him, lamping or anything. Until that dog listens to everything you tell him, in any situation, he will do what he wants when out hunting. The drive is more important than anything.