The real deal

[jimfin 0]

 

heres a sika stag i got single handed with 3/4 grey/bull bitch, mother to the pups i put up on previous posts

thats a transit size van so you can tell the size of him.he was lovely eating

[juckler123 707]

Cheers DUCKWING there is definitely a size difference and the heads look different to ive had plenty of experience with fallow same as yourself i was taking em when i was still at school or that was where i was supposed to be . Ive seen fallow stags snap three strands of brand new barded wire on the run never seen a dog pull one of them singlehanded never mind a red seen plenty try and always another dog was slipped in to stop em.

Whin wise words mate nothing worse than butchering in the field to much evidence and as for them big uns taking the dogs a fair old way in the daytime been there and if the dog not backtrack and its killed what a waste .And i totally agree with your thoughts on a bigger dog something with the power might stand a chance on a big red but till someone tries to breed such an animal over here i guess we will never know.

good to speculate though

[Guest dig deep]

Dog on

 

left saluki,bull,greyhound 28in, bitch bull,greyhound 25in. Red stag very fecking heavy!

good post fellas. ive been out with the dog on the left and it is some size, never saw it run on the day but it looked like it could pull anything. my lurcher pulled a roe that day but i dont reckon he could pull a red :whistle:

[J Darcy 5,871]

great pic lads..... theres a right set of rogues on there!!!!!!!!!!!

[Guest Frank]

The small bambies taste better anyways.

 

Interesting pics them.

 

Frank.

[subaruwilly 8]

good post fellas. ive been out with the dog on the left and it is some size, never saw it run on the day but it looked like it could pull anything. my lurcher pulled a roe that day but i dont reckon he could pull a red :whistle:

Master was a really good dog in his time, i believe the old boy is retired now though :thumbs-up:

[Guest wex]

Quite right boys, its the dogs who have got the bottle. We just loose the lead, but i must say it is quite an experience riding a bucking bronco . The stag in the photo was an awsome creature, and it took a lot out of myself, the wildman and the dogs. And in answer to the lads who say they are more trouble than they are worth. There is a modicom of truth in that statement, but it was something that we hadn't caught with our dogs. So we had crack at it and pulled it off or rather the dogs did, and like other memorable hunts. That particular one is etched in the memory for eternity. I am in slight agreement with Duckwing when he said that deer aren't anything to get too carried away with. I admire a good Fox dog far more than a dog thats decent on the deer. An awful lot of decent deer dogs dont like "ivory". yours in sport WEX

[jacob 28]

its the dog with the bottle its not the man who holds the slip ...

thinking about it ,thats probably true if youre not that worried about the dog

[leec 132]

ive took a few decent sized deer from the new forest all fallow some single some double but them red are somthing else ive been in one or to places and run 3 dogs on 1 to get him over and then it wasnt easy there not exactly hard to catch but its getting them over once there caught there no joke an not much sport need a serious market to mess about with them more hassle then they are worth

[whin 463]

wex give me a decent deer dog that throats the deer not an arse ripper , gives you a saleble catch or good edible , catch , i made a good earner out of veni for a decade or more and hares , thye caught several foxes, to me meat on the table or shillings , i like terreir work with the foxes and a good chase but , ive saw good veni dogs kill foxes ,but to me a lurcher was and always will be put food on the table and then if they kill foxy fare play , we dont get many foxes east of me, but west to edinburgh their bags of them , what do you do kill them cant sell the skins cant eat them a big seventy pound lurcher who is well schooled will kill them . or a forty pound lurcher , you go home with fech all on the table , or a bit of meat to give the dog , to me a good clean roe and hare killer i would have all day long and if the do the lot ,great ive got one in the kennel six and feched , but a great bitch .localy to me roe hare rabbit and well if you get afox you get him no big deal all the best

[Guest waldorf]

Edited March 24, 2007 by waldorf

[Guest smoothrun]

New forest deer may be bigger but not fitter than the scottish reds. Anybody experience both and how do they differ?

[whin 463]

smooth ive hunted reds down in east anglia they are no were is fit of flighty as some of the deer in the higher regions , not the ones that hang about roads through hunger or plain stupidity . there a place up in the hill were the slip was threee hundred yards on one what achase to many peat hags and rough ground but great sport , we caught fech all but we never had the right tools for the job at the time to small not enough leg to get over the heather , time moves on and we went up with a diff type of jukel we caught one but was a marathon for the dogs , these are flighty deer not tame park deer or woodland deer who come out at night and flick a beam on and they stand looking at you , these have been ran with cur sor whatever so they new what a dog was all the best

[J Darcy 5,871]

wex give me a decent deer dog that throats the deer not an arse ripper , gives you a saleble catch or good edible , catch , i made a good earner out of veni for a decade or more and hares , thye caught several foxes, to me meat on the table or shillings , i like terreir work with the foxes and a good chase but , ive saw good veni dogs kill foxes ,but to me a lurcher was and always will be put food on the table and then if they kill foxy fare play , we dont get many foxes east of me, but west to edinburgh their bags of them , what do you do kill them cant sell the skins cant eat them a big seventy pound lurcher who is well schooled will kill them . or a forty pound lurcher , you go home with fech all on the table , or a bit of meat to give the dog , to me a good clean roe and hare killer i would have all day long and if the do the lot ,great ive got one in the kennel six and feched , but a great bitch .localy to me roe hare rabbit and well if you get afox you get him no big deal all the best

When big fallow/reds are talked about the dog has got to have a "catch as can" hold just to try and slow the deer down (unless it bounced off a fence). people talk about it like its a walk in the park. killing the huge, powerful, heavy critters aint that easy. not for one dog. not easy for two sometimes either! i would like to see the dog that can "Throat" a red or mature fallow buck without slowing it down first.

i have run english reds and they are huge, fast, heavy. the stag ran off with my 70lb dog like it wasnt even there.

[Lurcherboy 0]

wex give me a decent deer dog that throats the deer not an arse ripper , gives you a saleble catch or good edible , catch , i made a good earner out of veni for a decade or more and hares , thye caught several foxes, to me meat on the table or shillings , i like terreir work with the foxes and a good chase but , ive saw good veni dogs kill foxes ,but to me a lurcher was and always will be put food on the table and then if they kill foxy fare play , we dont get many foxes east of me, but west to edinburgh their bags of them , what do you do kill them cant sell the skins cant eat them a big seventy pound lurcher who is well schooled will kill them . or a forty pound lurcher , you go home with fech all on the table , or a bit of meat to give the dog , to me a good clean roe and hare killer i would have all day long and if the do the lot ,great ive got one in the kennel six and feched , but a great bitch .localy to me roe hare rabbit and well if you get afox you get him no big deal all the best

 

 

 

u must miss alot of deer if you wait on the perfect throat hold evey time . personaly i like them stopped as soon as the dog gets the chance to strike. and theirs no way with fallow or red that you are gony get them dropped by the throat u been reading to many plummer books i think

Edited March 24, 2007 by Lurcherboy