Swampy 147 Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 when its a clear cut case like hyndley/tobin/black/huntlly.then they should be jailed and thrown into main stream prison.if thats a death sentence to them so be it.i just dont think the state should be killing people.someone who hasnt actually physically abused a child,but lets say downloaded child porn,then if they knew they wuld be jailed and mixing with every day criminals.i think they would refrain from downloading that filth.thing is they know on the whole they are protected,and lets be honest,i shudder to think the kind of chats those c**ts have inside.take away thier sense of security and i bet you would see a decline in this filthy behaviour. it could be argued that they have physically abused a child, indirectly. If there wasn't a market for it that abuse wouldn't have happened in the first place. they could very well say that.and i wouldnt actually disagree with that point. I don't think someone who has downloaded child porn should be killed, but they should definitely be castrated. The fact is your sexuality is in your genes, if you're attracted to kids then you always will be and you will never be safe around kids......so the only alternative to permanent imprisonment or death is to remove your sexual urges. It'd be like if all of a sudden they now made it illegal for blokes to have sex with women (or blokes in Judges case), that desire wouldn't go away because it's illegal, it would always be there and the temptation would never go away....unless you lost your spuds! Bollox. Micky "blowing bubbles" Jackson was chemically castrated and it didn't stop him........................Or did it?! Swampy Moonwalking and ninging Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FightTheBan 1,147 Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 when its a clear cut case like hyndley/tobin/black/huntlly.then they should be jailed and thrown into main stream prison.if thats a death sentence to them so be it.i just dont think the state should be killing people.someone who hasnt actually physically abused a child,but lets say downloaded child porn,then if they knew they wuld be jailed and mixing with every day criminals.i think they would refrain from downloading that filth.thing is they know on the whole they are protected,and lets be honest,i shudder to think the kind of chats those c**ts have inside.take away thier sense of security and i bet you would see a decline in this filthy behaviour. it could be argued that they have physically abused a child, indirectly. If there wasn't a market for it that abuse wouldn't have happened in the first place. they could very well say that.and i wouldnt actually disagree with that point. I don't think someone who has downloaded child porn should be killed, but they should definitely be castrated. The fact is your sexuality is in your genes, if you're attracted to kids then you always will be and you will never be safe around kids......so the only alternative to permanent imprisonment or death is to remove your sexual urges. It'd be like if all of a sudden they now made it illegal for blokes to have sex with women (or blokes in Judges case), that desire wouldn't go away because it's illegal, it would always be there and the temptation would never go away....unless you lost your spuds! I know exactly what they do with people who '' download'' child porn, they stick then in prison for a bit then they let them come back home , then find them a job & when the locals smash his windows the law take that very seriously , in fact MORE seriously than the child porn , i know all this because HE lives over the road from me , yes a convicted criminal who served time for having '' indecent'' images of kids on his pc & whats ironic is he was a SCREW at a young offenders place That must be very upsetting for a mother Why have people not burnt his house to the ground? It has happened around here a few times. FTB Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FightTheBan 1,147 Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 i think there was more evidence than the heresay of two 13yrolds Agreed. And he had previous for it. FTB Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rob190364 2,594 Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 when its a clear cut case like hyndley/tobin/black/huntlly.then they should be jailed and thrown into main stream prison.if thats a death sentence to them so be it.i just dont think the state should be killing people.someone who hasnt actually physically abused a child,but lets say downloaded child porn,then if they knew they wuld be jailed and mixing with every day criminals.i think they would refrain from downloading that filth.thing is they know on the whole they are protected,and lets be honest,i shudder to think the kind of chats those c**ts have inside.take away thier sense of security and i bet you would see a decline in this filthy behaviour. it could be argued that they have physically abused a child, indirectly. If there wasn't a market for it that abuse wouldn't have happened in the first place. they could very well say that.and i wouldnt actually disagree with that point. I don't think someone who has downloaded child porn should be killed, but they should definitely be castrated. The fact is your sexuality is in your genes, if you're attracted to kids then you always will be and you will never be safe around kids......so the only alternative to permanent imprisonment or death is to remove your sexual urges. It'd be like if all of a sudden they now made it illegal for blokes to have sex with women (or blokes in Judges case), that desire wouldn't go away because it's illegal, it would always be there and the temptation would never go away....unless you lost your spuds! Bollox. Micky "blowing bubbles" Jackson was chemically castrated and it didn't stop him........................Or did it?! Swampy Moonwalking and ninging quite a statement for someone so hell bent on needing 100% evidence....don't recall anyone coming up with hard evidence against Michael Jackson?? or did they? PS. I didn't know he was chemically castrated? is that true or another tabloid story? (I genuinely don't know) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Swampy 147 Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 i think there was more evidence than the heresay of two 13yrolds Quite possibly. And there is definately more to the story than any of us have read in the tabloids. I'm not saying he was innocent. I really hope now he wasn't! I'm just making the point that non of us here are qualified to make judgements re the punishment metted out. I for one think that for him to be disembowelled in a cell by two characters of dubious backgrounds is not the way a civilised society should behave or allow And certainly NOT something that we should be applauding. I forget who said it ( Homer, Aristotle or Plato) " a society should be judged by the way they treat their criminals (prisoners)".........Wise words. Rgds Swampy philosophical ning Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FightTheBan 1,147 Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 i think there was more evidence than the heresay of two 13yrolds Quite possibly. And there is definately more to the story than any of us have read in the tabloids. I'm not saying he was innocent. I really hope now he wasn't! I'm just making the point that non of us here are qualified to make judgements re the punishment metted out. I for one think that for him to be disembowelled in a cell by two characters of dubious backgrounds is not the way a civilised society should behave or allow And certainly NOT something that we should be applauding. I forget who said it ( Homer, Aristotle or Plato) " a society should be judged by the way they treat their criminals (prisoners)".........Wise words. Rgds Swampy philosophical ning So what do you think of a society who gives 4 years in a 'luxury' prison for someone who has ruined the life of at least on little girl and potentially many more? FTB 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mackem 27,345 Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 I forget who said it ( Homer Simpson? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TOMO 26,641 Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 lol,,, to be fair, he is a bit of a philospher Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Swampy 147 Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 i think there was more evidence than the heresay of two 13yrolds Quite possibly. And there is definately more to the story than any of us have read in the tabloids. I'm not saying he was innocent. I really hope now he wasn't! I'm just making the point that non of us here are qualified to make judgements re the punishment metted out. I for one think that for him to be disembowelled in a cell by two characters of dubious backgrounds is not the way a civilised society should behave or allow And certainly NOT something that we should be applauding. I forget who said it ( Homer, Aristotle or Plato) " a society should be judged by the way they treat their criminals (prisoners)".........Wise words. Rgds Swampy philosophical ning So what do you think of a society who gives 4 years in a 'luxury' prison for someone who has ruined the life of at least on little girl and potentially many more? FTB Not a society that I'd be particularly proud of! However these characters are a product of our society and as a society we have to take responsibility for them.......In simplistic terms, Its our fault. We need to change society and you can only change society by being a part of it. There are no easy answers. if there were we'd all be living in Nirvana. Killing people for crimes does not solve the problem it just brushes it under the carpet. It was once a capital punishment for hunting deer...................It didn't stop it though. Stangely, it was once legal to marry a 13 yo.. Society changed that...........NOT the death sentence. rgds Swampy All for a hung parliament ning Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kay 3,709 Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 when its a clear cut case like hyndley/tobin/black/huntlly.then they should be jailed and thrown into main stream prison.if thats a death sentence to them so be it.i just dont think the state should be killing people.someone who hasnt actually physically abused a child,but lets say downloaded child porn,then if they knew they wuld be jailed and mixing with every day criminals.i think they would refrain from downloading that filth.thing is they know on the whole they are protected,and lets be honest,i shudder to think the kind of chats those c**ts have inside.take away thier sense of security and i bet you would see a decline in this filthy behaviour. it could be argued that they have physically abused a child, indirectly. If there wasn't a market for it that abuse wouldn't have happened in the first place. they could very well say that.and i wouldnt actually disagree with that point. I don't think someone who has downloaded child porn should be killed, but they should definitely be castrated. The fact is your sexuality is in your genes, if you're attracted to kids then you always will be and you will never be safe around kids......so the only alternative to permanent imprisonment or death is to remove your sexual urges. It'd be like if all of a sudden they now made it illegal for blokes to have sex with women (or blokes in Judges case), that desire wouldn't go away because it's illegal, it would always be there and the temptation would never go away....unless you lost your spuds! I know exactly what they do with people who '' download'' child porn, they stick then in prison for a bit then they let them come back home , then find them a job & when the locals smash his windows the law take that very seriously , in fact MORE seriously than the child porn , i know all this because HE lives over the road from me , yes a convicted criminal who served time for having '' indecent'' images of kids on his pc & whats ironic is he was a SCREW at a young offenders place That must be very upsetting for a mother Why have people not burnt his house to the ground? It has happened around here a few times. FTB To be honest I have had one '' to do'' with him , something I have never talked about publicly before , all this happened about 10 years ago , the local free rag had it on the front page about this bloke Keith Locke & that all his vast pc equipment had been confiscated in an early morning raid , apparently they used one of them '' front door keys'' they use to gain entry Cutting a long story very short he was convicted of having a whole load of indecent images on several pc's & was put on the peado register, I cant remember how long he was send down for but including remand he was missing for about 12 months When it became apparent he had been released the house was damaged regularly , doors & windows put thorough, graffiti all over the place that kind of thing , i live in a cul de sack & he lives in the last house by a gully to the main road , so kids would come up the gully & sling eggs at his windows almost daily & leg it down the gully basically he had the f****n audacity to knock on my door 2 years ago new years eve & proceed to tell me that my eldest lad was one of them that was damaging his property , as my lad hadn't lived here for almost 8 & that I had no idea where the lad was , for a scrawny little twat he had an attitude , red rag to a bull folks like that to me . he claimed that there had been half a dozon '' youths'' buying eggs from the co op & my son was on there cctv , he had got the police to get them to run it back to pick out the youths , so i managed to get in touch with my lads dad & he said that the night in question the lad , his dad & step mother had been in the local club & that the place was heaving & said if the wanker wants to pursue it the police can interview the 150 witnesses in the club on that night I was savage at this point , 1 because i stopped my ex from caving his head in & 2 because I had doubted my son because he was a little shit & yes he had got into scrapes & i had the police here a fair few times for minor things , even to this day i got no apology from that wanker And even scarier is HE HAS A BEARD Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Swampy 147 Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 when its a clear cut case like hyndley/tobin/black/huntlly.then they should be jailed and thrown into main stream prison.if thats a death sentence to them so be it.i just dont think the state should be killing people.someone who hasnt actually physically abused a child,but lets say downloaded child porn,then if they knew they wuld be jailed and mixing with every day criminals.i think they would refrain from downloading that filth.thing is they know on the whole they are protected,and lets be honest,i shudder to think the kind of chats those c**ts have inside.take away thier sense of security and i bet you would see a decline in this filthy behaviour. it could be argued that they have physically abused a child, indirectly. If there wasn't a market for it that abuse wouldn't have happened in the first place. they could very well say that.and i wouldnt actually disagree with that point. I don't think someone who has downloaded child porn should be killed, but they should definitely be castrated. The fact is your sexuality is in your genes, if you're attracted to kids then you always will be and you will never be safe around kids......so the only alternative to permanent imprisonment or death is to remove your sexual urges. It'd be like if all of a sudden they now made it illegal for blokes to have sex with women (or blokes in Judges case), that desire wouldn't go away because it's illegal, it would always be there and the temptation would never go away....unless you lost your spuds! Bollox. Micky "blowing bubbles" Jackson was chemically castrated and it didn't stop him........................Or did it?! Swampy Moonwalking and ninging quite a statement for someone so hell bent on needing 100% evidence....don't recall anyone coming up with hard evidence against Michael Jackson?? or did they? PS. I didn't know he was chemically castrated? is that true or another tabloid story? (I genuinely don't know) I understand that it was a voluntary action. It helped his case to be dropped.. As for "hard evidence against MJ"..........please insert joke here"! Swampy thriller ning Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FightTheBan 1,147 Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 i think there was more evidence than the heresay of two 13yrolds Quite possibly. And there is definately more to the story than any of us have read in the tabloids. I'm not saying he was innocent. I really hope now he wasn't! I'm just making the point that non of us here are qualified to make judgements re the punishment metted out. I for one think that for him to be disembowelled in a cell by two characters of dubious backgrounds is not the way a civilised society should behave or allow And certainly NOT something that we should be applauding. I forget who said it ( Homer, Aristotle or Plato) " a society should be judged by the way they treat their criminals (prisoners)".........Wise words. Rgds Swampy philosophical ning So what do you think of a society who gives 4 years in a 'luxury' prison for someone who has ruined the life of at least on little girl and potentially many more? FTB Not a society that I'd be particularly proud of! However these characters are a product of our society and as a society we have to take responsibility for them.......In simplistic terms, Its our fault. We need to change society and you can only change society by being a part of it. There are no easy answers. if there were we'd all be living in Nirvana. Killing people for crimes does not solve the problem it just brushes it under the carpet. It was once a capital punishment for hunting deer...................It didn't stop it though. Stangely, it was once legal to marry a 13 yo.. Society changed that...........NOT the death sentence. rgds Swampy All for a hung parliament ning Dont agree with that at all, but I am not bright enough to start a debate on the ethical treatment of peadophiles with you, so I will leave it there. FTB Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lab 10,979 Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 I'm so relieved that the majority of posters aren't running the country! Sense is in short supply. The folk that say "string them up" have a very blinkered view of life and all its complexities. Whilst I shall not lament the loss of this guys life and may view it as justice through the back door The actions of the perpetrators cannot and should not be condoned. Only in the news today.......Amanda Knox, a nurse getting her case overturned, jeez the news is littered with unjust decisions. Killing someone is a pretty final sentence. the guys that did this I Suspect aren't the most intelligent of our species and yet they thought that they new best how to deal with someone. Who gave them the right to be judge, jury AND executioner? News such as this should never be let out to the general public as the general public in most cases are mob rule orientated and refelct the views of the tabloids who only write what provokes and stirs anger. I suspect that many who condone whats happened, like to show their allegiance to the mob by joining in, for the calls of "kill em all". In my view that makes them no better than the guy who got killed . No doubt I shall now receive a torrent of abuse. Rgds Swampy Balanced ning you think normal everyday people who think that convicted murders should be killed are no better than a paedophile???? you are f'ckin wierd!!!! Normal! Who you trying to fool? How do you catagorise the level of severity of a crime. Who are you to decide a sentence on what has been written in the tabloid press? Re readmy post. There is a lot of verbal gesticulating by posters who have minimal knowledge of the situation. I for one would not want to put my name at the bottom of a death sentence! And if I wanted to provoke even more controversy.........................he raped two 13 year old girls the details of which we do not know. He is dead. The "eye for an eye" mob seemed to have over stepped the mark don't you think? I wonder what the view would be if it had been one of their children who had been disembowelled by two low lifes? Like I said at the beginning of my post. Thank God that some of the posters aren't running the country. Their balanced reasoning leaves a lot to be desired. It would be a very scary place to live! what if it had been your daughter that had been raped swampy???, Then I hope that I would have the strength of will not to follow my emotions and exact revenge in a manner that would be illegal.....however I do not pretend that I have that much strenght of character. Would it help my daughter? Doubtful. Would it appease my own personal outrage? I don't know but i doubt it. It is a very emotive subject and one that should be decided by others who are not driven by emotion and personal satisfaction/gratification. Which is why we have the courts which are appointed by governments who are elected by the people in a democratic fashion. Do you want to live in a country with similar laws of retribution as Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran and Saudi to name but a few? I'm sorry if my view offends you as it is not intended to offend. However it is my view and I will stand by it. I will not be a sheep ! rgds Swampy ninging for a better country If my 13 year old daughter was raped and the rapist got 4 years, all faith in the legal system would go out of the window and I would sort it myself which ever way I saw fit, not some judge that is so leniant! that's assuming the details in the story are correct. Whether that would be PC or not I don't give a shit, whether it means I was breaking the law or whether my actions were fuelled by emotion, again I wouldn't give a shit. I don't think I'd have the capability to disembowel someone, but I would sure as hell make sure he didn't do it again. Your stance is understandable. And one that i would be hard pressed not to follow. I do know that my daughter would rather have me at home looking after her and her family than languishing in jail for a crime that has done nothing to help her Well if the justice system did there job properley then the victims family wouldn't have to take drastic measures. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FightTheBan 1,147 Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 when its a clear cut case like hyndley/tobin/black/huntlly.then they should be jailed and thrown into main stream prison.if thats a death sentence to them so be it.i just dont think the state should be killing people.someone who hasnt actually physically abused a child,but lets say downloaded child porn,then if they knew they wuld be jailed and mixing with every day criminals.i think they would refrain from downloading that filth.thing is they know on the whole they are protected,and lets be honest,i shudder to think the kind of chats those c**ts have inside.take away thier sense of security and i bet you would see a decline in this filthy behaviour. it could be argued that they have physically abused a child, indirectly. If there wasn't a market for it that abuse wouldn't have happened in the first place. they could very well say that.and i wouldnt actually disagree with that point. I don't think someone who has downloaded child porn should be killed, but they should definitely be castrated. The fact is your sexuality is in your genes, if you're attracted to kids then you always will be and you will never be safe around kids......so the only alternative to permanent imprisonment or death is to remove your sexual urges. It'd be like if all of a sudden they now made it illegal for blokes to have sex with women (or blokes in Judges case), that desire wouldn't go away because it's illegal, it would always be there and the temptation would never go away....unless you lost your spuds! I know exactly what they do with people who '' download'' child porn, they stick then in prison for a bit then they let them come back home , then find them a job & when the locals smash his windows the law take that very seriously , in fact MORE seriously than the child porn , i know all this because HE lives over the road from me , yes a convicted criminal who served time for having '' indecent'' images of kids on his pc & whats ironic is he was a SCREW at a young offenders place That must be very upsetting for a mother Why have people not burnt his house to the ground? It has happened around here a few times. FTB To be honest I have had one '' to do'' with him , something I have never talked about publicly before , all this happened about 10 years ago , the local free rag had it on the front page about this bloke Keith Locke & that all his vast pc equipment had been confiscated in an early morning raid , apparently they used one of them '' front door keys'' they use to gain entry Cutting a long story very short he was convicted of having a whole load of indecent images on several pc's & was put on the peado register, I cant remember how long he was send down for but including remand he was missing for about 12 months When it became apparent he had been released the house was damaged regularly , doors & windows put thorough, graffiti all over the place that kind of thing , i live in a cul de sack & he lives in the last house by a gully to the main road , so kids would come up the gully & sling eggs at his windows almost daily & leg it down the gully basically he had the f****n audacity to knock on my door 2 years ago new years eve & proceed to tell me that my eldest lad was one of them that was damaging his property , as my lad hadn't lived here for almost 8 & that I had no idea where the lad was , for a scrawny little twat he had an attitude , red rag to a bull folks like that to me . he claimed that there had been half a dozon '' youths'' buying eggs from the co op & my son was on there cctv , he had got the police to get them to run it back to pick out the youths , so i managed to get in touch with my lads dad & he said that the night in question the lad , his dad & step mother had been in the local club & that the place was heaving & said if the wanker wants to pursue it the police can interview the 150 witnesses in the club on that night I was savage at this point , 1 because i stopped my ex from caving his head in & 2 because I had doubted my son because he was a little shit & yes he had got into scrapes & i had the police here a fair few times for minor things , even to this day i got no apology from that wanker And even scarier is HE HAS A BEARD I knew it Hopefully one day someone will do the right thing and plug him Kay, then you can have a bit of peace of mind. FTB Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kay 3,709 Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 when its a clear cut case like hyndley/tobin/black/huntlly.then they should be jailed and thrown into main stream prison.if thats a death sentence to them so be it.i just dont think the state should be killing people.someone who hasnt actually physically abused a child,but lets say downloaded child porn,then if they knew they wuld be jailed and mixing with every day criminals.i think they would refrain from downloading that filth.thing is they know on the whole they are protected,and lets be honest,i shudder to think the kind of chats those c**ts have inside.take away thier sense of security and i bet you would see a decline in this filthy behaviour. it could be argued that they have physically abused a child, indirectly. If there wasn't a market for it that abuse wouldn't have happened in the first place. they could very well say that.and i wouldnt actually disagree with that point. I don't think someone who has downloaded child porn should be killed, but they should definitely be castrated. The fact is your sexuality is in your genes, if you're attracted to kids then you always will be and you will never be safe around kids......so the only alternative to permanent imprisonment or death is to remove your sexual urges. It'd be like if all of a sudden they now made it illegal for blokes to have sex with women (or blokes in Judges case), that desire wouldn't go away because it's illegal, it would always be there and the temptation would never go away....unless you lost your spuds! I know exactly what they do with people who '' download'' child porn, they stick then in prison for a bit then they let them come back home , then find them a job & when the locals smash his windows the law take that very seriously , in fact MORE seriously than the child porn , i know all this because HE lives over the road from me , yes a convicted criminal who served time for having '' indecent'' images of kids on his pc & whats ironic is he was a SCREW at a young offenders place That must be very upsetting for a mother Why have people not burnt his house to the ground? It has happened around here a few times. FTB To be honest I have had one '' to do'' with him , something I have never talked about publicly before , all this happened about 10 years ago , the local free rag had it on the front page about this bloke Keith Locke & that all his vast pc equipment had been confiscated in an early morning raid , apparently they used one of them '' front door keys'' they use to gain entry Cutting a long story very short he was convicted of having a whole load of indecent images on several pc's & was put on the peado register, I cant remember how long he was send down for but including remand he was missing for about 12 months When it became apparent he had been released the house was damaged regularly , doors & windows put thorough, graffiti all over the place that kind of thing , i live in a cul de sack & he lives in the last house by a gully to the main road , so kids would come up the gully & sling eggs at his windows almost daily & leg it down the gully basically he had the f****n audacity to knock on my door 2 years ago new years eve & proceed to tell me that my eldest lad was one of them that was damaging his property , as my lad hadn't lived here for almost 8 & that I had no idea where the lad was , for a scrawny little twat he had an attitude , red rag to a bull folks like that to me . he claimed that there had been half a dozon '' youths'' buying eggs from the co op & my son was on there cctv , he had got the police to get them to run it back to pick out the youths , so i managed to get in touch with my lads dad & he said that the night in question the lad , his dad & step mother had been in the local club & that the place was heaving & said if the wanker wants to pursue it the police can interview the 150 witnesses in the club on that night I was savage at this point , 1 because i stopped my ex from caving his head in & 2 because I had doubted my son because he was a little shit & yes he had got into scrapes & i had the police here a fair few times for minor things , even to this day i got no apology from that wanker And even scarier is HE HAS A BEARD I knew it Hopefully one day someone will do the right thing and plug him Kay, then you can have a bit of peace of mind. FTB To be honest he is a pathetic excuse of a human , he is nervy & shifty , i walk past his house at least 4 times a day & to be truthful he is already a prisoner in his own home, he dont even get in his car on the front its pulled up the drive as near to the house as he can get , he is a scared man , you can see it in his eyes , i get more pleasure out of knowing he is scared , i guess all folks are different , but mind games is the way to crucify blokes like him Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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