just sum olp pic's of working plummers

[omegathelast 160]

This sport is less without Plummer. He was charismatic and yes invited cotroversy. His legacy will never be repeated, a fact many will not like or accept but a fact nonetheless. He loved winding the macho element of the sport up, quite deliberate and hopelessley one sided given his superior intellect. Many tried to emulate his writing acheivments and indeed his style but failed miserably.

 

Whether you think he succeded or not he strived to creat a strain Terrier to work and he wasnt the least bit interested in showing, unlike many of the 'digging heroes' who in the late 80's and 90's were quietly busy outcrossing Russels with unproven show orientated Lakelands, Lakelands with typey non-working show bred and KC Lakelands with the single aim of creating standardised dogs that won shows and sold pups. Some people, including myself, were not fooled by the fell boots and tartan shirts.

 

I simply cannot understand the animosity other than to suggest people felt and feel challenged by his academic approach to the sport. In other words if you misunderstand something and therefore feel inadequate, attack it. There is no other rational explanation.

 

Nice dog by the way.

[_dc_ 19]

no earthwork for mine but he catches regular in cover.

it really looks like its a grafter and has done a hard days work

 

Ha, did I not state in the first post no earthwork????

[fellman 116]

This sport is less without Plummer. He was charismatic and yes invited cotroversy. His legacy will never be repeated, a fact many will not like or accept but a fact nonetheless. He loved winding the macho element of the sport up, quite deliberate and hopelessley one sided given his superior intellect. Many tried to emulate his writing acheivments and indeed his style but failed miserably.

 

Whether you think he succeded or not he strived to creat a strain Terrier to work and he wasnt the least bit interested in showing, unlike many of the 'digging heroes' who in the late 80's and 90's were quietly busy outcrossing Russels with unproven show orientated Lakelands, Lakelands with typey non-working show bred and KC Lakelands with the single aim of creating standardised dogs that won shows and sold pups. Some people, including myself, were not fooled by the fell boots and tartan shirts.

 

I simply cannot understand the animosity other than to suggest people felt and feel challenged by his academic approach to the sport. In other words if you misunderstand something and therefore feel inadequate, attack it. There is no other rational explanation.

 

Nice dog by the way.

superior intelect..............................f*****g hell are you his son/widow???????? man was clever alright i have no doubts and he could write books again no doubt

 

but his kennel managment and personal habits left a lot to be desired,perhaps this is the rational expanation your looking for ?!

oh yeah and try not to make the guy your hero....makes you look like a love sick 13 year old.........yis fellman

[vduben 55]

This sport is less without Plummer. He was charismatic and yes invited cotroversy. His legacy will never be repeated, a fact many will not like or accept but a fact nonetheless. He loved winding the macho element of the sport up, quite deliberate and hopelessley one sided given his superior intellect. Many tried to emulate his writing acheivments and indeed his style but failed miserably.

 

Whether you think he succeded or not he strived to creat a strain Terrier to work and he wasnt the least bit interested in showing, unlike many of the 'digging heroes' who in the late 80's and 90's were quietly busy outcrossing Russels with unproven show orientated Lakelands, Lakelands with typey non-working show bred and KC Lakelands with the single aim of creating standardised dogs that won shows and sold pups. Some people, including myself, were not fooled by the fell boots and tartan shirts.

 

I simply cannot understand the animosity other than to suggest people felt and feel challenged by his academic approach to the sport. In other words if you misunderstand something and therefore feel inadequate, attack it. There is no other rational explanation.

 

Nice dog by the way.

so all his storys were his own? i think not, fair enough they probably made good reading but to steal another mans hunting story, to me, is sad.

[stormyboy 1,352]

The man made his living from writing.I've heard about some of the 'stories' supposedly 'borrowed'. Maybe he should be forgiven for using artistic licence. Some can tell a story in an entertaining and often humorous way and some cant.............

[jeppi 49]

no earthwork for mine but he catches regular in cover.

it really looks like its a grafter and has done a hard days work

what you want it to look like f**k me all scared up haha

[wirral countryman 2,110]

Its pretty bad form to dirty a dead mans name,he may have had bad habits regarding the kennel management of his dogs but then so did a lot of so called "FAMOUS" terriermen,back in the 60's,70's not many had the kind of kennels we see now and I've seen them first hand,not heard about them,as regards him stealing other stories then why not ?? the man could write a story that was both entertaining and educational,he certainly put collie/greyhounds,jrt's,fell terrier's and plummer's on the radar of a lot of folk who knew nothing of the countryside but enjoyed a good read and found a different way of life,like him or hate him there were documentaries and films made of his life that set him up to be knocked down by people continually challenging his chosen way of life,he may of not been the best in the field but he had a vast knowledge of genetics and breeding of all types of hunting dogs,not many people have a dog named after them.

Anyway,back to the thread on working plummer's,those that know me will be aware of my having them or their various F1 and F2 crosses since 1980,so mine is knowledge gained in the field and not what I've heard or made up,along the way I've had other terrier's as well along with my lurchers,every time a thread is put up on plummer's we have to tolerate the same old fools ridiculing a dog they obviously have never owned or had any experience with,it seems trendy now to have a pop at the likes of nuttall,gould,chapman,etc to try and gain some form of recognition for themselves,respect is earned in the field not by criticising another mans choice of terrier or way of working,when you've devoted a lifetime to working,improving and keeping accurate breeding accounts and can boast a similar standing in the terrier world then you may have the experience to make a serious comment.Plummer set out to make a terrier with a set of standards that bred true to type which he achieved,it was the fools that took over the breed that overseen its demise as a serious earthdog but that seems to be changing now with a hardcore of lads now looking to put back some of the working standards that seemed to be forgot,certain lines are better for earthwork,whilst others are show ponies that will never be capable of any serious work.I have a line of non-registered plummer's that I work everyday in some capacity and they are as good as anything else I've kept,they are intelligent,have a great nose and are a good all round terrier that listen to every command,they are not just a dog for digging although they are adept at it,you will not see a better dog for bushing rabbits and ratting ,they will live in without mess and are a good family dog,I've just buried my old dog "DANNY" in my garden this last week and he killed all manner of vermin,he excelled at fox and many will tell you that came out and seen him work that he was as good a digging dog as my old fell and lakies were,WM

[stormyboy 1,352]

Sorry to hear about Danny wirralman,its a gutter when you lose them.

 

Regarding Brian Plummer,there are plenty that will rubbish him,it seems to go with the territory with success. A lot of 'names' in the working terrier/lurcher world are subjected to the same treatment. Come to think of it it seems to be a peculiarly British trait in most walks of life-folk in general react to success in others with jealousy and contempt.

No,Plummer was far from perfect,but no one can deny he left quite a legacy.. The 'knockers' might ask themselves what they themselves have actually achieved?

[vduben 55]

i dont bad mouth the likes of harcombe, darcy, goulds, parks wheeler..............but plummer was in a league of his own

[Cleanspade 3,322]

plummer is marmite . there are no shades of grey its either black or or white. some folk have very good reasons for disliking him. personally have no feelings for or against him. however i have a dog here that has his name. and i wouldnt part with it

 

 

 

 

 

 

sassy with one of my russells

[Cleanspade 3,322]

Its pretty bad form to dirty a dead mans name,he may have had bad habits regarding the kennel management of his dogs but then so did a lot of so called "FAMOUS" terriermen,back in the 60's,70's not many had the kind of kennels we see now and I've seen them first hand,not heard about them,as regards him stealing other stories then why not ?? the man could write a story that was both entertaining and educational,he certainly put collie/greyhounds,jrt's,fell terrier's and plummer's on the radar of a lot of folk who knew nothing of the countryside but enjoyed a good read and found a different way of life,like him or hate him there were documentaries and films made of his life that set him up to be knocked down by people continually challenging his chosen way of life,he may of not been the best in the field but he had a vast knowledge of genetics and breeding of all types of hunting dogs,not many people have a dog named after them.

Anyway,back to the thread on working plummer's,those that know me will be aware of my having them or their various F1 and F2 crosses since 1980,so mine is knowledge gained in the field and not what I've heard or made up,along the way I've had other terrier's as well along with my lurchers,every time a thread is put up on plummer's we have to tolerate the same old fools ridiculing a dog they obviously have never owned or had any experience with,it seems trendy now to have a pop at the likes of nuttall,gould,chapman,etc to try and gain some form of recognition for themselves,respect is earned in the field not by criticising another mans choice of terrier or way of working,when you've devoted a lifetime to working,improving and keeping accurate breeding accounts and can boast a similar standing in the terrier world then you may have the experience to make a serious comment.Plummer set out to make a terrier with a set of standards that bred true to type which he achieved,it was the fools that took over the breed that overseen its demise as a serious earthdog but that seems to be changing now with a hardcore of lads now looking to put back some of the working standards that seemed to be forgot,certain lines are better for earthwork,whilst others are show ponies that will never be capable of any serious work.I have a line of non-registered plummer's that I work everyday in some capacity and they are as good as anything else I've kept,they are intelligent,have a great nose and are a good all round terrier that listen to every command,they are not just a dog for digging although they are adept at it,you will not see a better dog for bushing rabbits and ratting ,they will live in without mess and are a good family dog,I've just buried my old dog "DANNY" in my garden this last week and he killed all manner of vermin,he excelled at fox and many will tell you that came out and seen him work that he was as good a digging dog as my old fell and lakies were,WM

 

WM we dont see eye to eye on some things but i am genuinely sorry to hear you have lost Danny. your affection for him came through in your posts

 

RIP. Danny.

[wirral countryman 2,110]

Thanks to Stormyboy and Cleanspade for the kind words about my old dog "DANNY" he is sorely missed by all the family but the other dogs will get more chances to excell now,the pups off my last litter will get the chance to thrive a bit hopefully,many thanks,WM

[omegathelast 160]

Sorry to hear about Danny. I agree with everything you have said above. Hopefully I will get my hands on a working line Plummer at some point.

[goldfinch2007 2,332]

r.i.p danny keep at them wirrel

[james t 36]

got one of them plummer documentries here he digs a fox saying its been killing chickens . then he says dont bother backfilling an then lets the fox go in the next field :icon_eek: