Draw dogs

[Raymond 618]

 

 

if any drawing dog is screaming his head off he is simply a bad drawing dog ,imho a drawing dog should be silent

 

You are getting confused between Trial dogs and drawing dogs.

 

Geronimo made noise on occasion , but was runner up, Dog of the Year in '71,'72.'73 and dog of the year in '74. You must keep some dogs if he wouldn't meet your standard for a drawing dog?

Total silence was a way of separating great dogs on any given day in just 6 minutes, a time quick enough to run through every dog in the competition. But not a real test of a dog, gameness or it's real ability as a Drawing Dog in the countryside where it mattered.

 

Don't let rules drawn up by the kennel club dictate to you or anyone what a good working dog is.

Bryan

Six minutes my friend is a long time to be dancing in the dark with the stripey fellow up the shore.If that is not a real test of a dogs gameness i dont know what is(except the obvious).A drawing dog in the country side has a very simple job to do stick in his head and pull out whatever is in front of him(now adays fox)This should be a simple job for most cur dogs who have the slightest bit of power and i would not give much street cred to a dog who specializes in this task.Even in Countrys where badger digging is allowed to open a hole and let in a draw dog is no test of the dog again most cur dogs with a bit of power should be able to pull him out on the sod(no test)The test for the dog is to let him up a proper shore with the lights turned out.I wonder how many would stay there(very few i suspect)As for making noise there are two different kinds of noise the obvious one barking and sqealing(he is afraid of what is in front of him)The second kind of noise is a working noise when some dogs are mixing and pulling in the shore you would hear a snort or a noise come out the side of his mouth(not to be confused with barking)but it often was by inexperienced judges or politics(yes that went on to)Bottom line most draw dogs now adays (not all)are not worth a wank except for the ones kept by the people(as someone else said)who specialize in it again they know who they are.

all that shit is at the root of all the restrictions on people today its part of the past where it should be

I feel it was badger baiting not digging that made it look worse than it is.

[sounder 9]

but if someone comes on a say you have to do it one way or you not a terrierman well then i am not one or want to be i just work my dog the way i want , end of

sounder

 

Who said that? I can't find the post, Thanks.

Bryan

 

neil cooney, on 05 October 2011 - 04:37 PM, said:

 

Like I said before if you can't take a fox out of a dig whilst he's looking straight at you (terrier took away) then you shouldn't even be out trying to work a terrier.

Anyone can put a collar on a terrier.

A 5 year old child could operate a locator.

Most able men can use a shovel to some degree.

It's knowing what to do at the end that takes a terrierman.

If some one want's to work a strong dog at the end because he thinks that's a strongdogs job and it will better the breed then that's his own buissness.

But if someone sticks a 70 lb lurcher or a 40 lb strong dog in to get the game out because he might get bitten then he's a coward in my opinion and shouldn't be at this game.

What, it's ok for the terrier to get bitten, but f****d if I'll risk it.

A coward.

The best solution at the end of a dig is a firearm but a lot of us after the hunt/dig like to see our game run away (one of the beautys of terrierwork IMO compared to other fieldsports) and the quickest and most humane way on terrier and game is to use your hands.

IMO if you can't then your only someone who keeps terriers and not a terrierman, JMHO.

 

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this is what i am on about bryan

the quickest and most humane way on terrier and game is to use your hands.

IMO if you can't then your only someone who keeps terriers and not a terrierman,

so if you use a lurcher your not , fine by me,i really don't give a f**k,

[artful212 394]

Personally if I went for a hunt with a man that said his lurcher was killing foxs and we dug one and he requested to let his lurcher draw it out ! He'd be very disappointed because that wouldn't be happening. I'd be testing his dog to see if it's as good as he says and it certainly wouldn't be by drawing it. They're called running dogs for a reason.

dont think you'll be out with me cause my lurchers are with me every time im out hunting

mudd dog i never said a fox was a test of a lurcher in a hole, if they could not work a hole or run them night and day they be gone , also i can lamp rabbit with my lurchers and the bitch will bring back live to hand , i don't need a rabbit dog a wheaten or bull , and a lurcher for running them , i have it all in one dog why because i work it that way i know what i have in my yard thats all i need to know or prove to anyone each to there own ,

sounder

[liamdelaney 2,586]

Laim, 6 minutes is no test for any dog imo.

Believe me Dev it was not as simple as it sounds if it was every dog would qualify.he was doing full battle head on for that time if he stopped at all he was lifted and he also took a lot of punishment.Some dogs like to catch and pull other dogs(the kind i liked)just jumped into the pot and no pulling just fight(a lot of Cuilleog dogs done that and dogs from Laois)they just wanted to fight fight fight so they got a lot of war wounds.Somebody said on here a while ago trial dogs did not have to be fit they most certainly did if he was not fit he would lay back a bit when getting tired and would be lifted.I know plenty of hard dogs stay to ground for hours(had plenty of them)but if he was mixing like that to ground for hours he would be dead(nose gone bottom jaw gone to the bone or else would have to be put down.Ahard dog certainly mixes under ground but not to the same extent as a game dog he will pull back a bit if he is getting ate and wait his chance again a trial dog did not get that luxury.As Jimmy Shop said plenty of people gave there dogs a lot more than six minutes in there own shore.We used to try the dogs that liked to pull in a shore with a very tight bend so when his arse hit the bend it was not easy get around with his mouth full a good few failed.Liam To the people laughing and with the wise cracks these men a lot of them dead and gone were good honest working class people who knew there dogs inside out and bowed to nobody ye are not fit to hold there coat at a dig.

[micheal rennicks 17]

lads been reading this for long time and in my opinion taking something from its natural habitat and subjecting it to abuse thats that what it was,was a lot of the reason terriermen and i use this word lightly got a bad name.shores strongdogs where is this in the terriermans manual.not an anti but everyman to his own.dev how many feet would you dig in 6 minutes.

[micheal rennicks 17]

Laim, 6 minutes is no test for any dog imo.

Believe me Dev it was not as simple as it sounds if it was every dog would qualify.he was doing full battle head on for that time if he stopped at all he was lifted and he also took a lot of punishment.Some dogs like to catch and pull other dogs(the kind i liked)just jumped into the pot and no pulling just fight(a lot of Cuilleog dogs done that and dogs from Laois)they just wanted to fight fight fight so they got a lot of war wounds.Somebody said on here a while ago trial dogs did not have to be fit they most certainly did if he was not fit he would lay back a bit when getting tired and would be lifted.I know plenty of hard dogs stay to ground for hours(had plenty of them)but if he was mixing like that to ground for hours he would be dead(nose gone bottom jaw gone to the bone or else would have to be put down.Ahard dog certainly mixes under ground but not to the same extent as a game dog he will pull back a bit if he is getting ate and wait his chance again a trial dog did not get that luxury.As Jimmy Shop said plenty of people gave there dogs a lot more than six minutes in there own shore.We used to try the dogs that liked to pull in a shore with a very tight bend so when his arse hit the bend it was not easy get around with his mouth full a good few failed.Liam To the people laughing and with the wise cracks these men a lot of them dead and gone were good honest working class people who knew there dogs inside out and bowed to nobody ye are not fit to hold there coat at a dig.

a hard dog and a game dog.do you be in the earth with your dogs liam to see whats happening.

[liamdelaney 2,586]

Laim, 6 minutes is no test for any dog imo.

Believe me Dev it was not as simple as it sounds if it was every dog would qualify.he was doing full battle head on for that time if he stopped at all he was lifted and he also took a lot of punishment.Some dogs like to catch and pull other dogs(the kind i liked)just jumped into the pot and no pulling just fight(a lot of Cuilleog dogs done that and dogs from Laois)they just wanted to fight fight fight so they got a lot of war wounds.Somebody said on here a while ago trial dogs did not have to be fit they most certainly did if he was not fit he would lay back a bit when getting tired and would be lifted.I know plenty of hard dogs stay to ground for hours(had plenty of them)but if he was mixing like that to ground for hours he would be dead(nose gone bottom jaw gone to the bone or else would have to be put down.Ahard dog certainly mixes under ground but not to the same extent as a game dog he will pull back a bit if he is getting ate and wait his chance again a trial dog did not get that luxury.As Jimmy Shop said plenty of people gave there dogs a lot more than six minutes in there own shore.We used to try the dogs that liked to pull in a shore with a very tight bend so when his arse hit the bend it was not easy get around with his mouth full a good few failed.Liam To the people laughing and with the wise cracks these men a lot of them dead and gone were good honest working class people who knew there dogs inside out and bowed to nobody ye are not fit to hold there coat at a dig.

a hard dog and a game dog.do you be in the earth with your dogs liam to see whats happening.

If you want to ask me a constructive question i will try my best to give you an honest answer.I dont answer sarcasm.

[micheal rennicks 17]

ok how can you be so sure what the f..k goes on under the ground is that constructive enough.

[fat man 4,741]

Were the shores not constructed in such a way that a judge could see 1st hand how a dog was working the querry,how else did they judge them.

[liamdelaney 2,586]

ok how can you be so sure what the f..k goes on under the ground is that constructive enough.

I dont answer

ok how can you be so sure what the f..k goes on under the ground is that constructive enough.

 

ok how can you be so sure what the f..k goes on under the ground is that constructive enough.

I dont answer sarcasm or people with no manners who use that kind of language when they want you to educate them.

[micheal rennicks 17]

ok how can you be so sure what the f..k goes on under the ground is that constructive enough.

I dont answer

ok how can you be so sure what the f..k goes on under the ground is that constructive enough.

 

ok how can you be so sure what the f..k goes on under the ground is that constructive enough.

I dont answer sarcasm or people with no manners who use that kind of language when they want you to educate them.

a cop out if ever i seen one,ok liam please educate me.

[liamdelaney 2,586]

ok how can you be so sure what the f..k goes on under the ground is that constructive enough.

I dont answer

ok how can you be so sure what the f..k goes on under the ground is that constructive enough.

 

ok how can you be so sure what the f..k goes on under the ground is that constructive enough.

I dont answer sarcasm or people with no manners who use that kind of language when they want you to educate them.

a cop out if ever i seen one,ok liam please educate me.

Go learn for yourself like i did Sir Oracle.

[micheal rennicks 17]

your saying a lot pig but your saying really nothing at the same time worth a toss.a hard dog and a game dog i try this one more time explain.

[liamdelaney 2,586]

your saying a lot pig but your saying really nothing at the same time worth a toss.a hard dog and a game dog i try this one more time explain.

Sir oracle is not a reference to a pig uneducated one it is a character from the merchant of Venice Quote I am Sir Oracle and when i ape my lips let no dog bark end of quote So you see i am educating you.

[micheal rennicks 17]

your saying a lot pig but your saying really nothing at the same time worth a toss.a hard dog and a game dog i try this one more time explain.

Sir oracle is not a reference to a pig uneducated one it is a character from the merchant of Venice Quote I am Sir Oracle and when i ape my lips let no dog bark end of quote So you see i am educating you.

f..k me i was just calling you a pig grunter what ever you think and you go all william shakespeare on me.ok explain the shit you just spewed there because my question seems to have you baffled.