Draw dogs

[VOON 1,317]

im guessing that these trials played a part in providing good, hard tested blood as a base for some of the terriers and lurchers in are fields today.

 

I don't know about the lurchers, but the trials were not a good test of a sounder (baying terrier)

Terriers were given certificates at trials that we knew the same dogs were useless in the country.

 

For the strong dogs, Some shores were so big that a sheepdog could get up them.

They never had the complex nature or corners that a natural earth had.

At best they were a minimum test that a dog had technique.

i.e strength,silence,drive.

But the real test of strong dogs was in the pit.

 

This required a different type of strong dog.

I heard of a good staff that had proven himself where it counted.

I believe this dog ended up in America.

When he saw quarry for the first time, he tried to ride it.

I am not sure if a pit dog is the best bullX to bring into a terrier line.

 

IMO the trials were the best idea at that time to see a number of working terriers perform

in one place. No better idea came along to replace them.

 

What do we have today, Working Terrier Shows. Not a good alternative really.

 

Best to get out in the country.

JMO

 

 

Why so? Which bullX would you think is the best to bring in to a terrier line?

 

Voon

[p3d 879]

im guessing that these trials played a part in providing good, hard tested blood as a base for some of the terriers and lurchers in are fields today.

 

I don't know about the lurchers, but the trials were not a good test of a sounder (baying terrier)

Terriers were given certificates at trials that we knew the same dogs were useless in the country.

 

For the strong dogs, Some shores were so big that a sheepdog could get up them.

They never had the complex nature or corners that a natural earth had.

At best they were a minimum test that a dog had technique.

i.e strength,silence,drive.

But the real test of strong dogs was in the pit.

 

This required a different type of strong dog.

I heard of a good staff that had proven himself where it counted.

I believe this dog ended up in America.

When he saw quarry for the first time, he tried to ride it.

I am not sure if a pit dog is the best bullX to bring into a terrier line.

 

IMO the trials were the best idea at that time to see a number of working terriers perform

in one place. No better idea came along to replace them.

 

What do we have today, Working Terrier Shows. Not a good alternative really.

 

Best to get out in the country.

JMO

 

 

Why so? Which bullX would you think is the best to bring in to a terrier line?

 

Voon

 

Voon,

Today I believe there is very little need to bring Bullx into any terrier line. (there is enough there already)

It was different before the Black smooth dogs appeared on the scene.

The period before the trials were disbanded,I think every kennel had some Bull brought into it.

The working Jack Russels I knew where on the small, light side. Ugly little feckers bow legged, prick ears, fox type jaws.

Some of the Bullx dogs I saw work were half or quarter crosses. This increased head size, bone, jaw strength, etc.

The difficulty was keeping the size down.

To answer your question, in my opinion the choice would be dictated by size,form and temperament.

Size and form; would go hand in hand. The picture below would be my preference.

Below 25lb or from a line that would include smaller staffs.

Temperament; A dog that would be useful in the country.(This would rule out a pit dog)

A dog that would walk along with other terriers. If it could use its nose and mark an earth, great.

As a pup if it showed any inclination to work cover, better again. An intelligent dog.

The red dog below was a half cross, the white dog was a quarter.

 

Draw dogs were used because the sounders were of the baying type, before locators.

When you broke through, the sounder was lifted. Tongs or a draw dog were used to bag the quarry.

 

ATB

P3D

[hunt and fish 35]

Is that we white dog ebt?

[p3d 879]

Is that we white dog ebt?

 

Yes, 1/4 EBT. just put his pic up to show the type. He was not the best.

I preferred the Staff Bullx myself.

[hunt and fish 35]

Is that we white dog ebt?

 

Yes, 1/4 EBT. just put his pic up to show the type. He was not the best.

I preferred the Staff Bullx myself.

 

Have the same cross myself mate.

[liamdelaney 2,586]

Laim, 6 minutes is no test for any dog imo.

Believe me Dev it was not as simple as it sounds if it was every dog would qualify.he was doing full battle head on for that time if he stopped at all he was lifted and he also took a lot of punishment.Some dogs like to catch and pull other dogs(the kind i liked)just jumped into the pot and no pulling just fight(a lot of Cuilleog dogs done that and dogs from Laois)they just wanted to fight fight fight so they got a lot of war wounds.Somebody said on here a while ago trial dogs did not have to be fit they most certainly did if he was not fit he would lay back a bit when getting tired and would be lifted.I know plenty of hard dogs stay to ground for hours(had plenty of them)but if he was mixing like that to ground for hours he would be dead(nose gone bottom jaw gone to the bone or else would have to be put down.Ahard dog certainly mixes under ground but not to the same extent as a game dog he will pull back a bit if he is getting ate and wait his chance again a trial dog did not get that luxury.As Jimmy Shop said plenty of people gave there dogs a lot more than six minutes in there own shore.We used to try the dogs that liked to pull in a shore with a very tight bend so when his arse hit the bend it was not easy get around with his mouth full a good few failed.Liam To the people laughing and with the wise cracks these men a lot of them dead and gone were good honest working class people who knew there dogs inside out and bowed to nobody ye are not fit to hold there coat at a dig.

a hard dog and a game dog.do you be in the earth with your dogs liam to see whats happening.

No i dont be in the earth with the dog i am way to big the closest i ever came to that was i worked as a miner many years ago.Now to your question(which is pretty well known by any dog man worth his salt)A hard dog is a terrier which goes to ground any rushes in and mixes although he is getting punishment he still mixes to much for his own good in the long term Now a game dog he is a different breed alltogether like chalk and cheese.A game dog (the good ones)will face any foe and fight him to the death regardless of the pain or the tenacity of his foe if he lost his front legs he will still try to get to his apponent and kill him or die in the process.I hope you are happy with my explanation and i hope in some small way this will help you in your quest to be a terrier man. PS do you have a terrier yourself? If not i would strongly advise you dont go for the game dog they are not for the novice. Yours in sport Liam.

[mudd dog 128]

Would a game dog not be too game in the short term then Liam ? I read your post over a few times. Hard dog mixes, takes punishment too much for its own good in the long term.. Game dog would fight any foe even loose its front legs in the proceeds, fight to the death. that's a load of bollocks or just badly worded on your behalf ?? Wtf. Either way both types are too game/hard for there own good. Same shit different day. Lol

[stevie g 2005 125]

Would a game dog not be too game in the short term then Liam ? I read your post over a few times. Hard dog mixes, takes punishment too much for its own good in the long term.. Game dog would fight any foe even loose its front legs in the proceeds, fight to the death. that's a load of bollocks or just badly worded on your behalf ?? Wtf. Either way both types are too game/hard for there own good. Same shit different day. Lol

 

hes a one of these dreamers mudd dog i read a post of his that he had 90 hard digs with one off his terriers in a season and that was not the handy ones he had if ur doing a bit mate u would know a dog thats had 90 digs in season is doing well but he keep hard dogs and i dont care want that spoofer says 90 hard digs with a dog in a season i cant see it but i live in real real world

[sounder79 80]

Would a game dog not be too game in the short term then Liam ? I read your post over a few times. Hard dog mixes, takes punishment too much for its own good in the long term.. Game dog would fight any foe even loose its front legs in the proceeds, fight to the death. that's a load of bollocks or just badly worded on your behalf ?? Wtf. Either way both types are too game/hard for there own good. Same shit different day. Lol

 

hes a one of these dreamers mudd dog i read a post of his that he had 90 hard digs with one off his terriers in a season and that was not the handy ones he had if ur doing a bit mate u would know a dog thats had 90 digs in season is doing well but he keep hard dogs and i dont care want that spoofer says 90 hard digs with a dog in a season i cant see it but i live in real real world

mr delaney now has forgot more about dogs than the two of yee will ever know

[mudd dog 128]

Here we go again. Thats a random one. Lol

[mudd dog 128]

Save your breath. You'll need it for your inflatable girlfriend later on. Lol

[brenner 773]

Would a game dog not be too game in the short term then Liam ? I read your post over a few times. Hard dog mixes, takes punishment too much for its own good in the long term.. Game dog would fight any foe even loose its front legs in the proceeds, fight to the death. that's a load of bollocks or just badly worded on your behalf ?? Wtf. Either way both types are too game/hard for there own good. Same shit different day. Lol

mudd dog , i cant pretend to have an oppinion that is worth anything on the trials dogs, i wasnt there, maybe your in these dogs as many years as liam and have the same amount of experience under your belt that you can draw your knowledge from. but as far as game dogs being too game for their own good, im not sure if that is a mistake in wording on your part. if not i think your missing the point of testing a dogs gamness and as liam said already, they tested these dogs harder on their own time then they were tested under trial rules. anyone that has an interest in game dogs in general will know that its not the most uncommon thing in the world for a match dog to loose the use of his front legs and still slide and tumble himself across towards his apponent to finish what he started, it has been well documented in the past

[liamdelaney 2,586]

Would a game dog not be too game in the short term then Liam ? I read your post over a few times. Hard dog mixes, takes punishment too much for its own good in the long term.. Game dog would fight any foe even loose its front legs in the proceeds, fight to the death. that's a load of bollocks or just badly worded on your behalf ?? Wtf. Either way both types are too game/hard for there own good. Same shit different day. Lol

 

hes a one of these dreamers mudd dog i read a post of his that he had 90 hard digs with one off his terriers in a season and that was not the handy ones he had if ur doing a bit mate u would know a dog thats had 90 digs in season is doing well but he keep hard dogs and i dont care want that spoofer says 90 hard digs with a dog in a season i cant see it but i live in real real world

Mudd dog i dont know what ye call a game dog up your way but down here a game dog is the lad who goes in the pit and fights til the death or is broken off(yes that went on to)Steve 2005 (one of the men i was referring to who laughs and sneers)I remember that post its over two years ago(I dont post much on here because of people like you thats how i can remember them all)I did not say one of my dogs dug 90 a year i said two of my dogs dug 90 a year these are the two dogs i was referring to at that time in my life we dug every day.Why do you find this unusual plenty of men still do this to some of us digging is a passion not a passtime.As for inflatable dolls dont knock it until you have tried it!!!

[liamdelaney 2,586]

Would a game dog not be too game in the short term then Liam ? I read your post over a few times. Hard dog mixes, takes punishment too much for its own good in the long term.. Game dog would fight any foe even loose its front legs in the proceeds, fight to the death. that's a load of bollocks or just badly worded on your behalf ?? Wtf. Either way both types are too game/hard for there own good. Same shit different day. Lol

 

hes a one of these dreamers mudd dog i read a post of his that he had 90 hard digs with one off his terriers in a season and that was not the handy ones he had if ur doing a bit mate u would know a dog thats had 90 digs in season is doing well but he keep hard dogs and i dont care want that spoofer says 90 hard digs with a dog in a season i cant see it but i live in real real world

Mudd dog i dont know what ye call a game dog up your way but down here a game dog is the lad who goes in the pit and fights til the death or is broken off(yes that went on to)Steve 2005 (one of the men i was referring to who laughs and sneers)I remember that post its over two years ago(I dont post much on here because of people like you thats how i can remember them all)I did not say one of my dogs dug 90 a year i said two of my dogs dug 90 a year these are the two dogs i was referring to at that time in my life we dug every day.Why do you find this unusual plenty of men still do this to some of us digging is a passion not a passtime.As for inflatable dolls dont knock it until you have tried it!!!

Forgot to add 90 each a year.

[stop.end 4,079]

Would a game dog not be too game in the short term then Liam ? I read your post over a few times. Hard dog mixes, takes punishment too much for its own good in the long term.. Game dog would fight any foe even loose its front legs in the proceeds, fight to the death. that's a load of bollocks or just badly worded on your behalf ?? Wtf. Either way both types are too game/hard for there own good. Same shit different day. Lol

 

hes a one of these dreamers mudd dog i read a post of his that he had 90 hard digs with one off his terriers in a season and that was not the handy ones he had if ur doing a bit mate u would know a dog thats had 90 digs in season is doing well but he keep hard dogs and i dont care want that spoofer says 90 hard digs with a dog in a season i cant see it but i live in real real world

mr delaney now has forgot more about dogs than the two of yee will ever know

mr delaney and fatman have lying orgys together ffs........ now as for fatman this topic was started by a man who has a bullx of some staffy show line as his avitar picture ffs...id love to see that dog in your avitar pic up a tight end fatman lmao id say he would be signing like pavorotti ffs.....