Draw dogs

[liamdelaney 2,586]

your saying a lot pig but your saying really nothing at the same time worth a toss.a hard dog and a game dog i try this one more time explain.

Sir oracle is not a reference to a pig uneducated one it is a character from the merchant of Venice Quote I am Sir Oracle and when i ape my lips let no dog bark end of quote So you see i am educating you.

f..k me i was just calling you a pig grunter what ever you think and you go all william shakespeare on me.ok explain the shit you just spewed there because my question seems to have you baffled.

Go learn that for yourself as well the same as i did.

[micheal rennicks 17]

your saying a lot pig but your saying really nothing at the same time worth a toss.a hard dog and a game dog i try this one more time explain.

Sir oracle is not a reference to a pig uneducated one it is a character from the merchant of Venice Quote I am Sir Oracle and when i ape my lips let no dog bark end of quote So you see i am educating you.

f..k me i was just calling you a pig grunter what ever you think and you go all william shakespeare on me.ok explain the shit you just spewed there because my question seems to have you baffled.

Go learn that for yourself as well the same as i did.

who'll protect the innocent from the wicked side of society while rumours raise the eyebrows which rip and tear and scold at me,your guilty drug your everything what is this,this original sin.

[liamdelaney 2,586]

your saying a lot pig but your saying really nothing at the same time worth a toss.a hard dog and a game dog i try this one more time explain.

Sir oracle is not a reference to a pig uneducated one it is a character from the merchant of Venice Quote I am Sir Oracle and when i ape my lips let no dog bark end of quote So you see i am educating you.

f..k me i was just calling you a pig grunter what ever you think and you go all william shakespeare on me.ok explain the shit you just spewed there because my question seems to have you baffled.

Go learn that for yourself as well the same as i did.

who'll protect the innocent from the wicked side of society while rumours raise the eyebrows which rip and tear and scold at me,your guilty drug your everything what is this,this original sin.

I am glad we agree on something.

[brenner 773]

im guessing that these trials played a part in providing good, hard tested blood as a base for some of the terriers and lurchers in are fields today.

[p3d 879]

im guessing that these trials played a part in providing good, hard tested blood as a base for some of the terriers and lurchers in are fields today.

 

I don't know about the lurchers, but the trials were not a good test of a sounder (baying terrier)

Terriers were given certificates at trials that we knew the same dogs were useless in the country.

 

For the strong dogs, Some shores were so big that a sheepdog could get up them.

They never had the complex nature or corners that a natural earth had.

At best they were a minimum test that a dog had technique.

i.e strength,silence,drive.

But the real test of strong dogs was in the pit.

 

This required a different type of strong dog.

I heard of a good staff that had proven himself where it counted.

I believe this dog ended up in America.

When he saw quarry for the first time, he tried to ride it.

I am not sure if a pit dog is the best bullX to bring into a terrier line.

 

IMO the trials were the best idea at that time to see a number of working terriers perform

in one place. No better idea came along to replace them.

 

What do we have today, Working Terrier Shows. Not a good alternative really.

 

Best to get out in the country.

JMO

[brenner 773]

appolagies, i should have said the blood might have been used as a usefull injection, rather than a base for some terriers/ lurchers

[smasher 1,055]

Liam, just wondering where you stand on the original question,post 1.this is not a loaded question,just would be good to hear some ones veiws on the subject, whos worked dogs from days gone by to now,

[brenner 773]

i was only a twinkle in me daddies eye when these trials were goin on so il have t take your word for it pd3.

[danny300 2,240]

im guessing that these trials played a part in providing good, hard tested blood as a base for some of the terriers and lurchers in are fields today.

 

I don't know about the lurchers, but the trials were not a good test of a sounder (baying terrier)

Terriers were given certificates at trials that we knew the same dogs were useless in the country.

 

For the strong dogs, Some shores were so big that a sheepdog could get up them.

They never had the complex nature or corners that a natural earth had.

At best they were a minimum test that a dog had technique.

i.e strength,silence,drive.

But the real test of strong dogs was in the pit.

 

This required a different type of strong dog.

I heard of a good staff that had proven himself where it counted.

I believe this dog ended up in America.

When he saw quarry for the first time, he tried to ride it.

I am not sure if a pit dog is the best bullX to bring into a terrier line.

 

IMO the trials were the best idea at that time to see a number of working terriers perform

in one place. No better idea came along to replace them.

 

What do we have today, Working Terrier Shows. Not a good alternative really.

 

Best to get out in the country.

JMO

think your wrong about the sounders i seen a dog called bubbles from portadown being dug out many a time and he was still being dug out at 14 and i had a pup of him and he was the same stay all day and would mix it up when you broke in. danny

[p3d 879]

im guessing that these trials played a part in providing good, hard tested blood as a base for some of the terriers and lurchers in are fields today.

 

I don't know about the lurchers, but the trials were not a good test of a sounder (baying terrier)

Terriers were given certificates at trials that we knew the same dogs were useless in the country.

 

For the strong dogs, Some shores were so big that a sheepdog could get up them.

They never had the complex nature or corners that a natural earth had.

At best they were a minimum test that a dog had technique.

i.e strength,silence,drive.

But the real test of strong dogs was in the pit.

 

This required a different type of strong dog.

I heard of a good staff that had proven himself where it counted.

I believe this dog ended up in America.

When he saw quarry for the first time, he tried to ride it.

I am not sure if a pit dog is the best bullX to bring into a terrier line.

 

IMO the trials were the best idea at that time to see a number of working terriers perform

in one place. No better idea came along to replace them.

 

What do we have today, Working Terrier Shows. Not a good alternative really.

 

Best to get out in the country.

JMO

think your wrong about the sounders i seen a dog called bubbles from portadown being dug out many a time and he was still being dug out at 14 and i had a pup of him and he was the same stay all day and would mix it up when you broke in. danny

 

Danny, I don't doubt that Bubbles would stay in the country,

and that he would stay baying in a shore for a number of minutes at a trial.

But there were sounders who would only look good at the trial.

The trial certificate was not enough to prove a sounder would do his job.

ATB

[Waz 4,249]

Im wondering if comparisons could be made to modern day trials (jagd terrier trials spring to mind) and the difference of a days digging proper. ie: some dogs would look great for however long with a crowd round them in an artificial, but the same dog having to find in natural enviroment with different levels and getting the runaround??? Fair play to the owners who were doing the both. Not too far away from me some clubs have artificial days, 1 day I will go and have a look.

[sounder79 80]

 

 

if any drawing dog is screaming his head off he is simply a bad drawing dog ,imho a drawing dog should be silent

 

You are getting confused between Trial dogs and drawing dogs.

 

Geronimo made noise on occasion , but was runner up, Dog of the Year in '71,'72.'73 and dog of the year in '74. You must keep some dogs if he wouldn't meet your standard for a drawing dog?

Total silence was a way of separating great dogs on any given day in just 6 minutes, a time quick enough to run through every dog in the competition. But not a real test of a dog, gameness or it's real ability as a Drawing Dog in the countryside where it mattered.

 

Don't let rules drawn up by the kennel club dictate to you or anyone what a good working dog is.

Bryan

bryan who owned geronimo i have heard of him but cant think who told me about him danny

haif cork

[sounder79 80]

Laim, 6 minutes is no test for any dog imo.

Believe me Dev it was not as simple as it sounds if it was every dog would qualify.he was doing full battle head on for that time if he stopped at all he was lifted and he also took a lot of punishment.Some dogs like to catch and pull other dogs(the kind i liked)just jumped into the pot and no pulling just fight(a lot of Cuilleog dogs done that and dogs from Laois)they just wanted to fight fight fight so they got a lot of war wounds.Somebody said on here a while ago trial dogs did not have to be fit they most certainly did if he was not fit he would lay back a bit when getting tired and would be lifted.I know plenty of hard dogs stay to ground for hours(had plenty of them)but if he was mixing like that to ground for hours he would be dead(nose gone bottom jaw gone to the bone or else would have to be put down.Ahard dog certainly mixes under ground but not to the same extent as a game dog he will pull back a bit if he is getting ate and wait his chance again a trial dog did not get that luxury.As Jimmy Shop said plenty of people gave there dogs a lot more than six minutes in there own shore.We used to try the dogs that liked to pull in a shore with a very tight bend so when his arse hit the bend it was not easy get around with his mouth full a good few failed.Liam To the people laughing and with the wise cracks these men a lot of them dead and gone were good honest working class people who knew there dogs inside out and bowed to nobody ye are not fit to hold there coat at a dig.

good post liam ,you know your stuff.the ones that fought in the pocket didnt want to come out

[mudd dog 128]

Trials in my opinion only suited heavy dogs. !! I seen alot of decent terriers being dug in the field to provide game for the trials. The same dogs never qualified for a certificate on the day because there style didn't suit the tight rules layed out, like going to grips for too long. More fox dogs got Certs, though if you were depending on them same dogs to provide you with the quarry for a trial you'd be waiting for a long time.. Just my opinion

[Waz 4,249]

Trials in my opinion only suited heavy dogs. !! I seen alot of decent terriers being dug in the field to provide game for the trials. The same dogs never qualified for a certificate on the day because there style didn't suit the tight rules layed out, like going to grips for too long. More fox dogs got Certs, though if you were depending on them same dogs to provide you with the quarry for a trial you'd be waiting for a long time.. Just my opinion

 

Thats what I was trying to say Mudd