Draw dogs

[Squirrel_Basher 17,100]

Having seen a few myself ,it has never really sat well with me and does not show the quarry the respect it deserves .In my book if something deserves to die then quick is the word ,something that is often talked about with strong dogs but rarely if ever seen .I have no problem with the idea but reality its always far from ideal .

[Guest dee mac]

Having seen a few myself ,it has never really sat well with me and does not show the quarry the respect it deserves .In my book if something deserves to die then quick is the word ,something that is often talked about with strong dogs but rarely if ever seen .I have no problem with the idea but reality its always far from ideal .

i dont think the strong dogs were required too dispatch quarry back in the days they were worked properly .i think it was more a test of ability too do a the job they were asked too do and were judged on there performances over the course of a season plus way back i think you could not attain ikc paper work unless the sire and dam had proved themselves in the field which is very admirable pity a few of todays breeders of all working dogs did nt think like this !

[Squirrel_Basher 17,100]

I know what quarry you refer to mate but its a long time since we were allowed to do that over here.The draw dog in this country ,preban of course was used to draw a fox and kill it and i think thats what the original poster was referring to .Always seemed a bit messy to me and not why i was out in the first place .I like things done in as humane way as possible and having dug to a terrier i dont think its fair to quarry to be subjected to any more and a gun is the right thing in my book .Not judging anyone but that side always seems to attract the wrong sort .

[Guest dee mac]

I know what quarry you refer to mate but its a long time since we were allowed to do that over here.The draw dog in this country ,preban of course was used to draw a fox and kill it and i think thats what the original poster was referring to .Always seemed a bit messy to me and not why i was out in the first place .I like things done in as humane way as possible and having dug to a terrier i dont think its fair to quarry to be subjected to any more and a gun is the right thing in my book .Not judging anyone but that side always seems to attract the wrong sort .

totally agree if quarry is to be dispatched it should be done quickly and cleanly and a gun ticks all the boxes i dont like lurchers never did but have seen a few handy ones ie marking etc and your right about the wrong sort totally agree its all about respect at end of day as with out the quarry too hunt then theres no need for the dogs

[go2ground 152]

what you using rc1 cant tell in pics is it a cur or hound?

 

 

Here is a better picture of her she is half airedale and half pit...I have hunted with her and she is a good one...

 

[jimmys shop 182]

The stiff competition of the trials meant there was a high standard in the so called good ol' days.

Nowadays if a so called strong dog pulls one out at the end (after travelling all of 18 inches) while screaming his head off he soon get his legendary status.

The fact there's so called great wheatens in England say's it all. There's probably more wheatens now than ever before (because of the peddlers) but when they were fairly rare between the days of the trials ending and the wheaten becoming fashionable there were probably better wheatens because those that stuck with them worked them correctly to the correct standard.

There's still a few men keeping them right and you don't see them advertised.

Then there's those who run a flapper, qualify everything, stick a piece of paper on the dog and bingo, the price goes up by £200 and the new owner goes home with another legend.

 

I'd be embarrassed if every time I dug to a terrier I needed a strong dog to get the quarry out. I'd also be embarrassed if I thought the end of a dig was how to work a strong dog.

After all dogs were first used for drawing because of bad sounders.

Also IMO strong dogs are bad PR for the terrier game and should be left in the hands of those that know how to keep them right. They know who they are.

 

 

Good straight forward honest account neil and as you know ,there is guys who don,t need to name drop and would

rather remain quiet about their experiences with the strong dogs over a lengthy period of time , and hopefully

with a bit of luck will be able to educate their grandkids if they show interest in the game .

[lurcher330 2,297]

 

 

if any drawing dog is screaming his head off he is simply a bad drawing dog ,imho a drawing dog should be silent

 

You are getting confused between Trial dogs and drawing dogs.

 

Geronimo made noise on occasion , but was runner up, Dog of the Year in '71,'72.'73 and dog of the year in '74. You must keep some dogs if he wouldn't meet your standard for a drawing dog?

Total silence was a way of separating great dogs on any given day in just 6 minutes, a time quick enough to run through every dog in the competition. But not a real test of a dog, gameness or it's real ability as a Drawing Dog in the countryside where it mattered.

 

Don't let rules drawn up by the kennel club dictate to you or anyone what a good working dog is.

Bryan

nothing to do with trails just that a noisey drawing dog can get you into trouble and if a dog is barking he doesn't have a grip on his quarry

[dev 226]

Lurcher330 I'm fairly sure he dosent mean the dog was barking, a drawing dog who barks at his quarry needs a piece of lead between the ears

[neil cooney 10,416]

When I first got into the terriers nearly every club or gang had their own shore and usually it was in someones back garden.

We'd go out of a Sunday morning and bag one or two and for a couple of hours we'd school sounders and strongdogs and then in the evening the quarry would be brought back to where we dug them and released. IMO they didn't suffer to much and were always shown respect and were NEVER worked above the sod.

This was the way a lot of lads done it and some lads even had shores of fully regulated size. LOL, some lads even had the shore blended perfectly into the lawn so that you wouldn't see it unless you knew what you were looking for.

It wasn't uncommon to see 20 lads in a mans back garden in those days and it was a great way of schooling them for the real deal, the trials.

The one we used must have been a lot bigger than regulation size because I remember one day putting a fox in it and after a couple of Jack Russells were worked and lifted we let a full greyhound in. She went in and met her fox, she stood up and there was sods and plywood flying everywhere. The fox bolted and the greyhound bitch coursed and killed him in a neighbours garden.

The greyhounds name was "Millenium Rose" and she belonged to a member of here.

That was nearly 30 years ago and that's the way a lot of folk did things.

Personally I prefare todays methods and could you imagine being caught with one in a sack nowadays ??????

But I think this proves that even away from the trials that the strongdog was worked properly and not always at the end which seems to be todays test.

As much as I love the Wheaten I rather see 50 of them struggling to survive in the hands of good men than 5000 of them in the hands of messers.

 

Edited to say, when I say I prefare todays methods I mean with terriers only and not a strong dog in sight.

Edited October 4, 2011 by neil cooney

[micheal rennicks 17]

Lurcher330 I'm fairly sure he dosent mean the dog was barking, a drawing dog who barks at his quarry needs a piece of lead between the ears

ya love the old lead dude.just shoot them good man.

[forest of dean redneck 11,551]

what you using rc1 cant tell in pics is it a cur or hound?

 

 

Here is a better picture of her she is half airedale and half pit...I have hunted with her and she is a good one...

 

thats better ,

very serious looking bitch

[course 1 11]

cant beat watching a good strong dog draw his quarry well. QUALITY

[liamdelaney 2,586]

cant beat watching a good strong dog draw his quarry well. QUALITY

What would you consider drawing its quarry well.?

Edited October 4, 2011 by liamdelaney

[lurcher330 2,297]

Lurcher330 I'm fairly sure he dosent mean the dog was barking, a drawing dog who barks at his quarry needs a piece of lead between the ears

I know that Dev but i have seen some half arsed draw dogs bay their quarry for 5 mins before going into grips and then scream like a bannshie while drawing.

[danny300 2,240]

ive been on many a hunt years ago and seen many a wheaten and staff tied up and sitting there nice and quiet and when it was his turn just went and done what he had to do and some of these dogs had won a trail or two