Draw dogs

[Mustard. 83]

Empty your inbox Neil

[lurcher330 2,300]

I like working a hard terrier but sounders are worth there weight in gold if you want to get a lot of digging done and you haven't got room to keep more than a couple of dogs and if you are out to keep a farmer happy a drawing dog will get the job done for you because we all wouldn't qualify for a gun license

Edited October 2, 2011 by lurcher330

[Alli 923]

The stiff competition of the trials meant there was a high standard in the so called good ol' days.

Nowadays if a so called strong dog pulls one out at the end (after travelling all of 18 inches) while screaming his head off he soon get his legendary status.

The fact there's so called great wheatens in England say's it all. There's probably more wheatens now than ever before (because of the peddlers) but when they were fairly rare between the days of the trials ending and the wheaten becoming fashionable there were probably better wheatens because those that stuck with them worked them correctly to the correct standard.

There's still a few men keeping them right and you don't see them advertised.

Then there's those who run a flapper, qualify everything, stick a piece of paper on the dog and bingo, the price goes up by £200 and the new owner goes home with another legend.

 

I'd be embarrassed if every time I dug to a terrier I needed a strong dog to get the quarry out. I'd also be embarrassed if I thought the end of a dig was how to work a strong dog.

After all dogs were first used for drawing because of bad sounders.

Also IMO strong dogs are bad PR for the terrier game and should be left in the hands of those that know how to keep them right. They know who they are.

A VERY HONEST REPLY, AND VERY INTRESTING.

[mudd dog 128]

The stiff competition of the trials meant there was a high standard in the so called good ol' days.

Nowadays if a so called strong dog pulls one out at the end (after travelling all of 18 inches) while

screaming his head off he soon get his

legendary status.

The fact there's so called great wheatens inEngland say's it all. There's probably more

wheatens now than ever before (because of the

peddlers) but when they were fairly rare

between the days of the trials ending and the

wheaten becoming fashionable there were

probably better wheatens because those that

stuck with them worked them correctly to the

correct standard.

There's still a few men keeping them right and

you don't see them advertised.

Then there's those who run a flapper, qualify everything, stick a piece of paper on the dog and bingo, the price goes up by £200 and the new owner goes home with another legend.

 

I'd be embarrassed if every time I dug to a terrier I needed a strong dog to get the quarry out. I'd also be embarrassed if I thought the end of a dig was how to work a strong dog.

After all dogs were first used for drawing because of bad sounders.

Also IMO strong dogs are bad PR for the terrier game and should be left in the hands of those that know how to keep them right. They know who they are.

Good post

[Mustard. 83]

http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/297757_224149850977340_120291918029801_652250_484029379_n.jpg are you up to your triks again fatman

[mudd dog 128]

Pmsl that's a cracker

[danny300 2,240]

plus neil you would test a staff the same as a wheaton there both drawing dogs

I disagree Danny.

how neil i was not at the trails i was to young but i hunted with a lot of fellas that were there and a staff got the same time as a wheaton it was down to the dog if he made a noise he was lifted so how am i wrong danny

[lurcher330 2,300]

The stiff competition of the trials meant there was a high standard in the so called good ol' days.

Nowadays if a so called strong dog pulls one out at the end (after travelling all of 18 inches) while screaming his head off he soon get his legendary status.

The fact there's so called great wheatens in England say's it all. There's probably more wheatens now than ever before (because of the peddlers) but when they were fairly rare between the days of the trials ending and the wheaten becoming fashionable there were probably better wheatens because those that stuck with them worked them correctly to the correct standard.

There's still a few men keeping them right and you don't see them advertised.

Then there's those who run a flapper, qualify everything, stick a piece of paper on the dog and bingo, the price goes up by £200 and the new owner goes home with another legend.

 

I'd be embarrassed if every time I dug to a terrier I needed a strong dog to get the quarry out. I'd also be embarrassed if I thought the end of a dig was how to work a strong dog.

After all dogs were first used for drawing because of bad sounders.

Also IMO strong dogs are bad PR for the terrier game and should be left in the hands of those that know how to keep them right. They know who they are.

Nowadays if a so called strong dog pulls one out at the end (after travelling all of 18 inches) while screaming his head off he soon get his legendary status.

if any drawing dog is screaming his head off he is simply a bad drawing dog ,imho a drawing dog should be silent

[danny300 2,240]

well said lurcher 330 just goes to show what some people think what way to work them. they no jack sh.t

danny

[stevie g 2005 125]

Have to agree with you Mustard, running dogs should do what it say's on the tin, run.

Anyone who thinks that the end of a dig is some sort of test is fooling themselves and if someone who works a terrier can't get in there and take them out by hand then they shouldn't have terriers in the first place.

There's probably less than a handfull of men left who know how to test a wheaten nowadays (I didn't mention staffs because their test is different).

JMHO.

ur a master of all trades hounds terriers and wheatens would u be one of them hand full of men that know how to test a wheaton then neil or just another spoof that likes the sound of his own voice

The same as you Stevie, the second one.

 

no mate i dont think i know everything but i know this i know a bullshitter when i hear one

 

I don't think I'm your mate.

i dont think i will loss much sleep

[scent 509]

some people just like to use wheatens when digging i suppose.Why judge them ,its their choice to use them

[Waz 4,265]

some people just like to use wheatens when digging i suppose.Why judge them ,its their choice to use them

 

Scent just summed it up for me.

[jigsaw 11,866]

you lot better start praying the lads keep testing their strong dogs or the bull/lurcher and wheaten/lurchers will be a thing of the past,long live the irish strong dogs

[neil cooney 10,416]

Long live him indeed Jigsaw and it would be a sad day when there's plenty around but no good ones.

Breedings should always be done to make a breed better than it already is.

Is that being done by everyone who breeds a heavy dog nowadays ????

[Bryan 1,362]

 

 

if any drawing dog is screaming his head off he is simply a bad drawing dog ,imho a drawing dog should be silent

 

You are getting confused between Trial dogs and drawing dogs.

 

Geronimo made noise on occasion , but was runner up, Dog of the Year in '71,'72.'73 and dog of the year in '74. You must keep some dogs if he wouldn't meet your standard for a drawing dog?

Total silence was a way of separating great dogs on any given day in just 6 minutes, a time quick enough to run through every dog in the competition. But not a real test of a dog, gameness or it's real ability as a Drawing Dog in the countryside where it mattered.

 

Don't let rules drawn up by the kennel club dictate to you or anyone what a good working dog is.

Bryan