Squirrel_Basher 17,100 Posted October 3, 2011 Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 FFS dont muzzle her .Nothing to do with the breed ,any bitch can be like this.She will not savage the pups at all .Some bitches are good at keeping pups in line and thats what she is doing .They are subordinate to her and she eats first .Seperating them will only enforce this fact and she will get worse .Leave her to it mate , she wont harm them .The squealing you heard was natural for a pup that is chastised and did not harm the pup at all .Too many people on here giving out advice that frankly is a load of bollocks and would be out of place even in a plummer book . 1 Quote Link to post
bunnys 1,228 Posted October 3, 2011 Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 fox droppermay be right here but on the other hand she may need peace and quiet out of the way so she can gewt on with reariong the welps ,its quite rare for a bitch to be naughty with her own at such an early period .seems like a possesive type .atb bunnys. Quote Link to post
digger. 615 Posted October 3, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 she seems to be ok with them now i changed feeding her near them and iv been cooking her meat outdoors so no smell of food when she is near them they are 11 days old today.thanks for the advice all the same lads Quote Link to post
skycat 6,173 Posted October 3, 2011 Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 FFS dont muzzle her .Nothing to do with the breed ,any bitch can be like this.She will not savage the pups at all .Some bitches are good at keeping pups in line and thats what she is doing .They are subordinate to her and she eats first .Seperating them will only enforce this fact and she will get worse .Leave her to it mate , she wont harm them .The squealing you heard was natural for a pup that is chastised and did not harm the pup at all .Too many people on here giving out advice that frankly is a load of bollocks and would be out of place even in a plummer book . I disagree entirely with what you say. For a start, pups of under 2 weeks old, eyes still shut, shouldn't even be seen as a threat by the bitch. Her maternal instincts should tell her that she doesn't need to see such tiny pups as a threat. I have known, fortunately not owned, bitches which were so warped in their heads that they would and did kill their own pups for venturing near the food. That is not normal at all, for any breed. Most of my bitches actually stand back and stop eating when their pups approach the food. When the pups are much older, from 6-8 weeks of age, then yes, I agree the bitch may need to chastise them. If a bitch is growling at tiny pups then there is a chance she might hurt or kill them. I've actually seen a bitch rip open a pup which laid near a bone which had been left in the bed: tain't normal at all. That bitch had to be taken off the pups, and only allowed back in to feed them and clean them up several times a day: she couldn't be trusted to be left with them for any length of time. This was a Greyhound bitch. Her pups all developed normally, and I bred from one of the daughters, who was the best and most patient dam you could wish for: readily giving up her food for her pups, and even regurgitating meat for them once they were old enough to eat solids. 1 Quote Link to post
Rabbiting man 1,191 Posted October 3, 2011 Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 Mate im not been funny reading that I can see now why you are Irish Quote Link to post
LUMPHAMMER 324 Posted October 3, 2011 Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 FFS dont muzzle her .Nothing to do with the breed ,any bitch can be like this.She will not savage the pups at all .Some bitches are good at keeping pups in line and thats what she is doing .They are subordinate to her and she eats first .Seperating them will only enforce this fact and she will get worse .Leave her to it mate , she wont harm them .The squealing you heard was natural for a pup that is chastised and did not harm the pup at all .Too many people on here giving out advice that frankly is a load of bollocks and would be out of place even in a plummer book . Hahaha a fcuking ''Plummer book'' :laugh: Quote Link to post
dev 227 Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 What do you mean by that rabbiting man? You got something against the irish? Quote Link to post
digger. 615 Posted October 4, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 enlighten me. if your not being funny explain rabbiting man. Quote Link to post
Carraghs Gem 1,675 Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 wtf rabbiting man? Quote Link to post
Squirrel_Basher 17,100 Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 FFS dont muzzle her .Nothing to do with the breed ,any bitch can be like this.She will not savage the pups at all .Some bitches are good at keeping pups in line and thats what she is doing .They are subordinate to her and she eats first .Seperating them will only enforce this fact and she will get worse .Leave her to it mate , she wont harm them .The squealing you heard was natural for a pup that is chastised and did not harm the pup at all .Too many people on here giving out advice that frankly is a load of bollocks and would be out of place even in a plummer book . I disagree entirely with what you say. For a start, pups of under 2 weeks old, eyes still shut, shouldn't even be seen as a threat by the bitch. Her maternal instincts should tell her that she doesn't need to see such tiny pups as a threat. I have known, fortunately not owned, bitches which were so warped in their heads that they would and did kill their own pups for venturing near the food. That is not normal at all, for any breed. Most of my bitches actually stand back and stop eating when their pups approach the food. When the pups are much older, from 6-8 weeks of age, then yes, I agree the bitch may need to chastise them. If a bitch is growling at tiny pups then there is a chance she might hurt or kill them. I've actually seen a bitch rip open a pup which laid near a bone which had been left in the bed: tain't normal at all. That bitch had to be taken off the pups, and only allowed back in to feed them and clean them up several times a day: she couldn't be trusted to be left with them for any length of time. This was a Greyhound bitch. Her pups all developed normally, and I bred from one of the daughters, who was the best and most patient dam you could wish for: readily giving up her food for her pups, and even regurgitating meat for them once they were old enough to eat solids. I bow down to your superior knowledge of mass puppy rearing lady.Ive never come across it and for the layman , there is very rarely any need to worry about pups getting killed directly by the bitch ,squashed yes but thats another thing altogether .One thing is for sure ,if i saw a bitch of mine with that sort of aggression she would get a bullet there and then ,regardless of breeding ,as i certainly wouldnt want to perpetuate that trait . Quote Link to post
Rabbiting man 1,191 Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 I was waiting for it LOL dont take it to heart lads i.ve got f all against you Irish i.ve got very good friends & family members that are Irish it's a joke on my part & yes you breed some of the best Greyhounds around Quote Link to post
skycat 6,173 Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 Like I said, I've never had it in my own bitches and the few litters I've bred over the years, but I did see it in a well run Greyhound kennels, and was told of it happening from other breeders over the years. I don't think it is necessarily something which would automatically be inherited by the pups: more likely a case of the bitch's mind being warped over a lifetime of incorrect treatment, lack of food, security etc. Though nature doesn't mess up sometimes and bad wire an animal just like in humans. 1 Quote Link to post
Irish Lurcher 1,013 Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 I know the problem tom tom, its fucken nuts the bitch, she is a good worker all right, but a c**t of a fighting bitch that will attack anything that moves, including ur leg, I know,lol.. Am not one bit surprized at her growling at pups, thats how mad she is, just be careful with her and the pups. Quote Link to post
Irish Lurcher 1,013 Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 I was waiting for it LOL dont take it to heart lads i.ve got f all against you Irish i.ve got very good friends & family members that are Irish it's a joke on my part & yes you breed some of the best Greyhounds around lol :laugh: Quote Link to post
x38 179 Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 im not knocking you mate but from experience with a simular 3/8 5/8 bitch, it takes all the fun out of working a dog, always wondering who`s coming round the corner, do they have a dog, whots in the next but one field when you slip on the lamp. no wont do that again Its a terrier he is on about not a lurcher,and if they are brought on from a pup in the right manner {stock broken,well socialised and manners put on them they are no different to any other breed}I have a staffxpatt dog that is one of the calmest dogs i ever had about the place,but a demon at his work. woops still stand by whot i said though if it was a lurcher and back under your rock........... :laugh: Quote Link to post
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