timid spaniel puppy

[eddie3 9]

could a timid cocker spaniel pup with good parentage of five months old turn in to a good working dog ?

[biglee 1 3]

it sure could eddie just have to be carfull how ur going about traning it harsh scalding cud ruin it what do u mean by timid ?

[gadge 2]

Plenty praise and reward

[eddie3 9]

timid - the pup is great around my other dogs inside or out , but on its own very timid (tail between it,s legs , erratic walking on lead, unsocialised ) should i persevere with the pup ?

[forest of dean redneck 11,686]

is it highly strung instead of timid

is it a dog?

[Nik_B 3,790]

My dog Lab was like that and still is sometimes usually out on the street or near busy roads. When he is away from those sort of places he is like a different dog all together and very bold.

 

Don't force it in to situations where it will make things worse

[Bradford Lad 74]

As above mate, plenty of praising and reasurance, always end every training session with a win for the pup.

[timber 90]

timid - the pup is great around my other dogs inside or out , but on its own very timid (tail between it,s legs , erratic walking on lead, unsocialised ) should i persevere with the pup ?

unsociialised ? how old was the pup when you got it ? plenty time to build the pups confidence if your prepared to put the work in , should i persevere , well why wouldn't you it's only five months old , what are your expectations of a pup of that age ?

[eli 0]

give him plentey of 1/1 had a nervey pup jumpt at owt just did loads of lead work up and down busy roads let him see as much as poss if he jumps and pulls sit him give him a fuss and walk on it tuck months but now i have a cracking shooting dog full of life so yes it will train but may take a bit longer

[ftm 3,357]

persevere and it will come good atb billy

[skycat 6,173]

I can't remember how many times I've said this: (not having a go at you at all, but it is a problem which keeps cropping up)

 

If a pup hasn't been socialised at the correct time: ( from the nest to around 12-14 weeks old) it will find it genuinely hard to adjust to new things. The reason being that as a pup's brain develops, there are specific 'windows' in time where learning can happen. To put the science into this statement............pups are born with immature brains. This is necessary so they can develop their bodies in the safety of the nest. Wouldn't be much point in having a fully functioning brain whilst the eyes, ears and body are still in a state of development.

A pup which is left in a kennel with its litter mates might appear completely normal so long as it stays in that environment, but if you take it out of all that is familiar to it, the deficits show, as you are finding out. The reason is as follows: a pup's brain, as it develops, makes electrical connection between the brain cells.. If its environment doesn't contain enough stimulation, the connections are limited. It doesn't need a vast intelligence to walk to the food bowl or play with its litter mates. Rats and mice can do all that! That is fine if the dog stays in that environment all its life. But causes big problems to the person who takes on that pup at around 5 months of age, especially if the dog is placed in a demanding home: in other words, a working home where the dog has to cope with all sorts of work situations, social situations: in your case: the shooting field, new dogs, strange people, noise etc etc

 

The brain in an unsocialised pup has literally not made enough connections between the brain cells for the pup to be able to learn at the right speed when it is older. It is, if you like, less intelligent than the pup which has been well socialised and made lots of brain cell connections before it was 14 weeks old.

 

A pup is already transmitting adult brain waves by 8 weeks of age! ~At this age it is like a sponge: soaking up everything it sees and hears around it. The things it sees and experiences at around this age will stay with it for life, which is why it is so important to expose pups to as many different sights and sounds as possible whilst they are still with the breeder, before they ever go to their new homes.

 

The unsocialised pup has trouble adjusting to and understanding any new thing, and if it has only been surrounded by other dogs, it finds it hard to cope without them. Finds it hard to trust a human, bond with a human. It may well learn to bond with one particular person, but still fear strangers, for the rest of its life. The effect of leaving a pup stuck in a kennel is really that severe.

 

Here's an interesting tale from someone who understands the issue. I know that they're talking about agility dogs, but whatever type of work the dog does, the effect of lack of socialisation is the same.

 

http://www.skc.org.sg/files/education/PuppyTraining.PDF

[timber 90]

I can't remember how many times I've said this: (not having a go at you at all, but it is a problem which keeps cropping up)

 

If a pup hasn't been socialised at the correct time: ( from the nest to around 12-14 weeks old) it will find it genuinely hard to adjust to new things. The reason being that as a pup's brain develops, there are specific 'windows' in time where learning can happen. To put the science into this statement............pups are born with immature brains. This is necessary so they can develop their bodies in the safety of the nest. Wouldn't be much point in having a fully functioning brain whilst the eyes, ears and body are still in a state of development.

A pup which is left in a kennel with its litter mates might appear completely normal so long as it stays in that environment, but if you take it out of all that is familiar to it, the deficits show, as you are finding out. The reason is as follows: a pup's brain, as it develops, makes electrical connection between the brain cells.. If its environment doesn't contain enough stimulation, the connections are limited. It doesn't need a vast intelligence to walk to the food bowl or play with its litter mates. Rats and mice can do all that! That is fine if the dog stays in that environment all its life. But causes big problems to the person who takes on that pup at around 5 months of age, especially if the dog is placed in a demanding home: in other words, a working home where the dog has to cope with all sorts of work situations, social situations: in your case: the shooting field, new dogs, strange people, noise etc etc

 

The brain in an unsocialised pup has literally not made enough connections between the brain cells for the pup to be able to learn at the right speed when it is older. It is, if you like, less intelligent than the pup which has been well socialised and made lots of brain cell connections before it was 14 weeks old.

 

A pup is already transmitting adult brain waves by 8 weeks of age! ~At this age it is like a sponge: soaking up everything it sees and hears around it. The things it sees and experiences at around this age will stay with it for life, which is why it is so important to expose pups to as many different sights and sounds as possible whilst they are still with the breeder, before they ever go to their new homes.

 

The unsocialised pup has trouble adjusting to and understanding any new thing, and if it has only been surrounded by other dogs, it finds it hard to cope without them. Finds it hard to trust a human, bond with a human. It may well learn to bond with one particular person, but still fear strangers, for the rest of its life. The effect of leaving a pup stuck in a kennel is really that severe.

 

Here's an interesting tale from someone who understands the issue. I know that they're talking about agility dogs, but whatever type of work the dog does, the effect of lack of socialisation is the same.

 

http://www.skc.org.s...ppyTraining.PDF excellent post of course you owe it to the pup to "persevere" otherwise it will be another that ends up on the scrap heap through no fault of it's own

[Nik_B 3,790]

I can't remember how many times I've said this: (not having a go at you at all, but it is a problem which keeps cropping up)

 

If a pup hasn't been socialised at the correct time: ( from the nest to around 12-14 weeks old) it will find it genuinely hard to adjust to new things. The reason being that as a pup's brain develops, there are specific 'windows' in time where learning can happen. To put the science into this statement............pups are born with immature brains. This is necessary so they can develop their bodies in the safety of the nest. Wouldn't be much point in having a fully functioning brain whilst the eyes, ears and body are still in a state of development.

A pup which is left in a kennel with its litter mates might appear completely normal so long as it stays in that environment, but if you take it out of all that is familiar to it, the deficits show, as you are finding out. The reason is as follows: a pup's brain, as it develops, makes electrical connection between the brain cells.. If its environment doesn't contain enough stimulation, the connections are limited. It doesn't need a vast intelligence to walk to the food bowl or play with its litter mates. Rats and mice can do all that! That is fine if the dog stays in that environment all its life. But causes big problems to the person who takes on that pup at around 5 months of age, especially if the dog is placed in a demanding home: in other words, a working home where the dog has to cope with all sorts of work situations, social situations: in your case: the shooting field, new dogs, strange people, noise etc etc

 

The brain in an unsocialised pup has literally not made enough connections between the brain cells for the pup to be able to learn at the right speed when it is older. It is, if you like, less intelligent than the pup which has been well socialised and made lots of brain cell connections before it was 14 weeks old.

 

A pup is already transmitting adult brain waves by 8 weeks of age! ~At this age it is like a sponge: soaking up everything it sees and hears around it. The things it sees and experiences at around this age will stay with it for life, which is why it is so important to expose pups to as many different sights and sounds as possible whilst they are still with the breeder, before they ever go to their new homes.

 

The unsocialised pup has trouble adjusting to and understanding any new thing, and if it has only been surrounded by other dogs, it finds it hard to cope without them. Finds it hard to trust a human, bond with a human. It may well learn to bond with one particular person, but still fear strangers, for the rest of its life. The effect of leaving a pup stuck in a kennel is really that severe.

 

Here's an interesting tale from someone who understands the issue. I know that they're talking about agility dogs, but whatever type of work the dog does, the effect of lack of socialisation is the same.

 

http://www.skc.org.s...ppyTraining.PDF

 

I took my dog on when he was a bit older than 4 months and there is some traits I recognise in my own dog. AS he wasn't vaccinated we had to keep him in a further 5 or 6 weeks and so he didn't meet the real world till much older. It makes me a bit sad when I read this and see where he lacks in socialisation around lots of people or on the street. I'd done everything I could and he is much better but like that article its been a very long road and quite honestly not much fun either.

 

Skycat Your posts are great

[saxonmaster 74]

I can't remember how many times I've said this: (not having a go at you at all, but it is a problem which keeps cropping up)

 

If a pup hasn't been socialised at the correct time: ( from the nest to around 12-14 weeks old) it will find it genuinely hard to adjust to new things. The reason being that as a pup's brain develops, there are specific 'windows' in time where learning can happen. To put the science into this statement............pups are born with immature brains. This is necessary so they can develop their bodies in the safety of the nest. Wouldn't be much point in having a fully functioning brain whilst the eyes, ears and body are still in a state of development.

A pup which is left in a kennel with its litter mates might appear completely normal so long as it stays in that environment, but if you take it out of all that is familiar to it, the deficits show, as you are finding out. The reason is as follows: a pup's brain, as it develops, makes electrical connection between the brain cells.. If its environment doesn't contain enough stimulation, the connections are limited. It doesn't need a vast intelligence to walk to the food bowl or play with its litter mates. Rats and mice can do all that! That is fine if the dog stays in that environment all its life. But causes big problems to the person who takes on that pup at around 5 months of age, especially if the dog is placed in a demanding home: in other words, a working home where the dog has to cope with all sorts of work situations, social situations: in your case: the shooting field, new dogs, strange people, noise etc etc

 

The brain in an unsocialised pup has literally not made enough connections between the brain cells for the pup to be able to learn at the right speed when it is older. It is, if you like, less intelligent than the pup which has been well socialised and made lots of brain cell connections before it was 14 weeks old.

 

A pup is already transmitting adult brain waves by 8 weeks of age! ~At this age it is like a sponge: soaking up everything it sees and hears around it. The things it sees and experiences at around this age will stay with it for life, which is why it is so important to expose pups to as many different sights and sounds as possible whilst they are still with the breeder, before they ever go to their new homes.

 

The unsocialised pup has trouble adjusting to and understanding any new thing, and if it has only been surrounded by other dogs, it finds it hard to cope without them. Finds it hard to trust a human, bond with a human. It may well learn to bond with one particular person, but still fear strangers, for the rest of its life. The effect of leaving a pup stuck in a kennel is really that severe.

 

Here's an interesting tale from someone who understands the issue. I know that they're talking about agility dogs, but whatever type of work the dog does, the effect of lack of socialisation is the same.

 

http://www.skc.org.s...ppyTraining.PDF

 

good post mate i have a lurcher got him at 4 months and was scared of his own shadow when i got him home but i worked bloody hard with him and he is 95% better but thats taken me nearly 20 months to get where i am now with him but i always have to watch him as now and again he will go backwards but i have learnt to see the warning signs and step in before anything can happen. When out in the field he is 100% probably because he is focused on working but its things like strangers, cars, anything new like when i brought a new car he wouldnt come nowhere near it and so on but as i said its got so much better and i have to be honest would i have got him knowing this before hand then i would say no but now i have him i wouldnt get rid of him for anything he a great friend i take him everywhere and a great worker. i wouldnt rush him mate small steps short training sessions plenty of praise always finish on a good note thats all you can do mate maybe take him to a gun training club mate see if that helps. good luck anyway mate

[skycat 6,173]

I forgot to say that there are some pups which just seem to sail through life no matter how deprived they might have been initially. A lot depends on the pup's individual temperament, and how the new owner treats them: treat an unsocialised pup the same as you would an 8 week old pup, but remember that it will find it a lot harder to understand and cope with new things. You need to be calm and patient at all times, and try and put yourself in the pup's place. Try and see the world as the pup does: a big scary place full of noise and things it can't figure out. Getting a good bond between you and the pup is the first thing. Get it to see you as its protector in all things, then gradually encourage it to gain confidence through games which build up its curiosity and get it achieving small things. So back to the tug of war training: makes a dog feel really good about itself: tough guy, grabbing on to something, hanging on, interacting with YOU. Don't expect this to happen overnight though!

 

I'll put some things to read in the articles section.