fireball fps

[zx10mike 137]

hi guys now that my .17 is grouping i can work on knowing the bullet path at range.my pet load is slow but accurate.this morning i shot a few rounds and the speed difference was

 

3534 fps

3580 fps

3556 fps

3555 fps

3567 fps

 

is this good ? should it be better? i have no idea.just needed the fps for the ballistic calculater.

[jamie g 17]

hi guys now that my .17 is grouping i can work on knowing the bullet path at range.my pet load is slow but accurate.this morning i shot a few rounds and the speed difference was

 

3534 fps

3580 fps

3556 fps

3555 fps

3567 fps

 

is this good ? should it be better? i have no idea.just needed the fps for the ballistic calculater.

 

 

take the average then put that into your ballistic data for a drop chart

[coldweld 65]

I have not crono'd mine yet . But according to quickload it should be about 3765 fps .

 

I will post the true fps as soon as my mate brings his crono out. What have you shot with your fireball ? I have had 9 foxes in two months, i shot 3 Saturday night , Longest shot Sat was 181 paces Vixen neck shot.

Not used the 22-250 since i got the .17 Fireball up and running.

[zx10mike 137]

mt best shot to date was a crow about 240 yds becouse i had the grouping problem i have only just run my new pet load through the crono. i know to take an average and its groupuing nice but just wanted peoples opinions on the difference in speed . should they be all within 10 fps of each other ect.i personally think its ok but the only way i learn what is good and bad is often by comparing notes with you guys.there are a few chaps on here that allways answer and there help is much appreciated you guys bieng two of them thanks for your thoughts again.

[pigeon poo 3]

the shot was 253 yards mike i remember ranging it for you

[coldweld 65]

Make that 10 in two months got another vixen last night .

[zx10mike 137]

stopped hunting with it whilst i had the problems with accuracy but the confidence i had in the begining is back and if i miss its me not the gun .cant ask any more than that.i'm a bunny basher myself and only shoot the occasional fox as numbers round by me are well controlled.pigeon poo shot a fox with it last week but he squeeked it in to about 120 yds or so, i meen 780 yds sorry pigeon.i'm out with it now and hope to do some longer range stuff this weekend.fingers crossed.

[Deker 3,478]

Guys

 

I don't have, and don't know a great deal about the 17 CF.

 

You have to help me out here, despite your possible first reactions I am not trying to take the piss, but why bother?

 

The 17 are reasonably fast, the .243 (for instance) is conceivably faster, hits harder and is arguably much more versatile, and by all accounts doesn't cost any more!

 

So, what does the 17 have going for it? :hmm:

Edited October 5, 2011 by Deker

[mark@mbb 31]

I home load my 17 rem and it works out about 20p per round and the accuracy is unbelieveable to 350 / 400 yds i have a 6 x 24 x 56 zeiis scope on top

 

Mark

[Deker 3,478]

I home load my 17 rem and it works out about 20p per round and the accuracy is unbelieveable to 350 / 400 yds i have a 6 x 24 x 56 zeiis scope on top

 

Mark

 

Look, I don't know and I don't reload, I know **** all first hand about the 17 centrefires really, but from what I hear that is unbelievable.

 

Help me out, a breakdown of that would be interesting, forget all the background equipment required lets just settle for the basic cartridge costs

 

Case

Head

Powder

Primer

 

You can do all that for 20p a round? :hmm:

[jamie g 17]

deker i know light bullets in a 243 are fast but i dont know of many doing over 4000 fps. the 20 vmax in a 17 can easy do that. also a 17 rem with 25 vmax's can do that.

 

there bullets are perfect for rabbting and foxes also. i wouldn't like to use a 243 on rabbits all the time what is the point ? not only are you burning a hell of alot more powder.

in the 243 but you also get more recoil, and the safety side of the little 20 grain pills in the 17 are alot better.

 

yes you still have to be careful but they very rarely exit. and are ideal on some shoot where ground might be a little to iffy in places for a 243.

 

 

when i kept seeing info from people on the 17 on the forums how good they are for a all round light weight rabbit and fox gun. i did like the idea of one.

i then had the chance of a cheap new barrel blank. so set about getting one done.

 

i had the tikka action sat in my cabinet at home in 222 and fancied a change. now i reach for the 17 alot its a joy to shoot.

i can honestly say i cant think of a better all round calibre for fox and other vermin up to normal lamping ranges.

Edited October 5, 2011 by jamie g

[Deker 3,478]

deker i know light bullets in a 243 are fast but i dont know of many doing over 4000 fps. the 20 vmax in a 17 can easy do that. also a 17 rem with 25 vmax's can do that.

 

there bullets are perfect for rabbting and foxes also. i wouldn't like to use a 243 on rabbits all the time what is the point ? not only are you burning a hell of alot more powder.

in the 243 but you also get more recoil, and the safety side of the little 20 grain pills in the 17 are alot better.

 

yes you still have to be careful but they very rarely exit. and are ideal on some shoot where ground might be a little to iffy in places for a 243.

 

 

when i kept seeing info from people on the 17 on the forums how good they are for a all round light weight rabbit and fox gun. i did like the idea of one.

i then had the chance of a cheap new barrel blank. so set about getting one done.

 

i had the tikka action sat in my cabinet at home in 222 and fancied a change. now i reach for the 17 alot its a joy to shoot.

i can honestly say i cant think of a better all round calibre for fox and other vermin up to normal lamping ranges.

 

 

Cheers for this, and I make the point again I ask out of curiosity, I'm not having a go at the 17, just trying to understand.

 

You are certainly limited on .243 ammo choice at 4000 ft sec, but it can be done, I have used it, excellent and of course frangible!

 

Much 17 doesn't make it that fast anyway as attested in previous posts here. How much for 17 ammo? MORE than .243 commonly if you can find it I understand.

 

Help me out with this reloading question as well from a couple of posts back, which someone hasn't responded to, is this me going mad or is someone GENUINELY suggesting they can reload 17 for 20p, hows that work, are they stealing all the parts :laugh:

 

Just what is the point of the 17cf for rabbits, is it a technical exercise to see how far away you can shoot one, I don't get it, I can take them easily out to 150 yards with a HMR and frankly feel I am taking the ****, I should be able to get closer not further away.

 

Looking at the 17CF I can see little practical point in comparison with the mass of other calibres available, perhaps a bit of (Expensive) fun from time to time.

 

Cheers!

[jamie g 17]

deker i know light bullets in a 243 are fast but i dont know of many doing over 4000 fps. the 20 vmax in a 17 can easy do that. also a 17 rem with 25 vmax's can do that.

 

there bullets are perfect for rabbting and foxes also. i wouldn't like to use a 243 on rabbits all the time what is the point ? not only are you burning a hell of alot more powder.

in the 243 but you also get more recoil, and the safety side of the little 20 grain pills in the 17 are alot better.

 

yes you still have to be careful but they very rarely exit. and are ideal on some shoot where ground might be a little to iffy in places for a 243.

 

 

when i kept seeing info from people on the 17 on the forums how good they are for a all round light weight rabbit and fox gun. i did like the idea of one.

i then had the chance of a cheap new barrel blank. so set about getting one done.

 

i had the tikka action sat in my cabinet at home in 222 and fancied a change. now i reach for the 17 alot its a joy to shoot.

i can honestly say i cant think of a better all round calibre for fox and other vermin up to normal lamping ranges.

 

 

Cheers for this, and I make the point again I ask out of curiosity, I'm not having a go at the 17, just trying to understand.

 

You are certainly limited on .243 ammo choice at 4000 ft sec, but it can be done, I have used it, excellent and of course frangible!

 

Much 17 doesn't make it that fast anyway as attested in previous posts here. How much for 17 ammo? MORE than .243 commonly if you can find it I understand.

 

Help me out with this reloading question as well from a couple of posts back, which someone hasn't responded to, is this me going mad or is someone GENUINELY suggesting they can reload 17 for 20p, hows that work, are they stealing all the parts :laugh:

 

Just what is the point of the 17cf for rabbits, is it a technical exercise to see how far away you can shoot one, I don't get it, I can take them easily out to 150 yards with a HMR and frankly feel I am taking the ****, I should be able to get closer not further away.

 

Looking at the 17CF I can see little practical point in comparison with the mass of other calibres available, perhaps a bit of (Expensive) fun from time to time.

 

Cheers!

 

deker my barrel on the fireball is 23 inches over the chrno it is going over 4000 fps average. this isnt even flat out. but why go up the powder charge when accuracy is there and and 4000 fps is enough i think.

 

as for factory ammo and cost. i don't know as i reload for my cf rifles. and if your worried about cost then cf shooting isnt for everyone. i would think you shoot a hell of alot more rounds then i do. so i guess the cost doesn't affect me as much.

 

your right about the rabbits. most rabbits are shot under 150 yards so a hmr would do that. but if you reload for other rifles. you might as well reload for a 17 cf. you have more ftlb at hand if you see foxy then to.

 

a hmr body shooting foxes isnt something i liked doing. so limit it tohead shots when i had a hmr.

Edited October 6, 2011 by jamie g

[Deker 3,478]

deker i know light bullets in a 243 are fast but i dont know of many doing over 4000 fps. the 20 vmax in a 17 can easy do that. also a 17 rem with 25 vmax's can do that.

 

there bullets are perfect for rabbting and foxes also. i wouldn't like to use a 243 on rabbits all the time what is the point ? not only are you burning a hell of alot more powder.

in the 243 but you also get more recoil, and the safety side of the little 20 grain pills in the 17 are alot better.

 

yes you still have to be careful but they very rarely exit. and are ideal on some shoot where ground might be a little to iffy in places for a 243.

 

 

when i kept seeing info from people on the 17 on the forums how good they are for a all round light weight rabbit and fox gun. i did like the idea of one.

i then had the chance of a cheap new barrel blank. so set about getting one done.

 

i had the tikka action sat in my cabinet at home in 222 and fancied a change. now i reach for the 17 alot its a joy to shoot.

i can honestly say i cant think of a better all round calibre for fox and other vermin up to normal lamping ranges.

 

 

Cheers for this, and I make the point again I ask out of curiosity, I'm not having a go at the 17, just trying to understand.

 

You are certainly limited on .243 ammo choice at 4000 ft sec, but it can be done, I have used it, excellent and of course frangible!

 

Much 17 doesn't make it that fast anyway as attested in previous posts here. How much for 17 ammo? MORE than .243 commonly if you can find it I understand.

 

Help me out with this reloading question as well from a couple of posts back, which someone hasn't responded to, is this me going mad or is someone GENUINELY suggesting they can reload 17 for 20p, hows that work, are they stealing all the parts :laugh:

 

Just what is the point of the 17cf for rabbits, is it a technical exercise to see how far away you can shoot one, I don't get it, I can take them easily out to 150 yards with a HMR and frankly feel I am taking the ****, I should be able to get closer not further away.

 

Looking at the 17CF I can see little practical point in comparison with the mass of other calibres available, perhaps a bit of (Expensive) fun from time to time.

 

Cheers!

 

deker my barrel on the fireball is 23 inches over the chrno it is going over 4000 fps average. this isnt even flat out. but why go up the powder charge when accuracy is there and and 4000 fps is enough i think.

 

as for factory ammo and cost. i don't know as i reload for my cf rifles. and if your worried about cost then cf shooting isnt for everyone. i would think you shoot a hell of alot more rounds then i do. so i guess the cost doesn't affect me as much.

 

your right about the rabbits. most rabbits are shot under 150 yards so a hmr would do that. but if you reload for other rifles. you might as well reload for a 17 cf. you have more ftlb at hand if you see foxy then to.

 

a hmr body shooting foxes isnt something i liked doing. so limit it tohead shots when i had a hmr.

 

 

3534 fps

3580 fps

3556 fps

3555 fps

3567 fps

 

3765 fps .

 

The above are Figures quoted in other posts above, easily achievable with a .243!

 

These a factory quoted Fireball figures:-

20g 4037ft sec

25g 3789ft sec

30g 3569ft sec

 

Cost isn't an issue for me on the 17 centrefires as I don't have one, and can't see me getting one, but I do understand they are VERY expensive in factory ammo, (if you can find them) and still very expensive to reload, do you or anyone else know what they do cost to reload, I really don't know, but frankly I don't believe you can do it for the 20p previously quoted somewhere above!

 

I just don't get the 17 centrefires!

 

Someone please tell me what they excel at over anything else!

 

And someone Please tell me why we need a 17 Rem and a completely different 17 Rem Fireball (that doesn't have the grunt)....and the assorted other 17 wildcats!

 

Again, let me stress, I'm not having a go, I have Air, FAC Air, .22lr, .17HMR, .22WMR, .223, .243, .308, assorted shotguns..... I simply don't get it, tell me what I have missed, why this selection doesn't hack it and why I should consider a .17Centrefire as well!

 

ATB!

[jamie g 17]

deker those chrono speeds are mikes. he uses different powders to me and has a factory rifle. the only reason i can see ? i get faster speeds is mine is a custom barrel and tighter chamber cut to min sammy spec

 

there is nothing wrong with the calibres you have above i like different rifles.my mates have 223 i went 22/250 they went 204 i went 17 cf, they have 243 and 308 i went with 270.

 

i guess i like speed demons they kill know better, dead is dead. it just gets there a little faster

 

one thing i would say is i wouldnt have hmr,22wmr and a 22lr. yes there different tools in there own right. but do the same sort of things. one 17 cf would clear the hmr and the 22wmr off your ticket.

Edited October 6, 2011 by jamie g