scothunter 12,609 Posted September 27, 2011 Report Share Posted September 27, 2011 answer that one malt lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 48,157 Posted September 27, 2011 Report Share Posted September 27, 2011 @simon btw im not saying ALL are like that btw.there prob some who take it pretty serious,and do live thier lifes accordingly.i just find i can tell the diffrence between right and wrong,whats good for me and what isnt.were all born with it,COMMON SENSE.I dont need a church to tell me this.Aslo my mind evolves according to the times im living in.not stuck in the past with things that have no place in a modern society. Oh I dont know mate, theres a lot to be said for how things were years ago and not a great deal to be said for now Quote Link to post Share on other sites
leegreen 2,222 Posted September 27, 2011 Report Share Posted September 27, 2011 Don't believe in anything like god, it's all medieval mumbo jumbo to me but I wouldn't knock a mans beliefs either. But but I must say putting a .38 to your bonce sounds like you need a good talking too or some Prozac. I've done some things in my time and had a GREAT deal of shit happen to me but put a gun to my head over some puff and some dinks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Malt 379 Posted September 27, 2011 Report Share Posted September 27, 2011 Crikey, this is deep Do any animals love? Or is it instinct or pack structure or something else? maybee,,, but then is that what our love is,, just a pack type instinct??? couriouse point,,, why go to church for a year for a christning,, and im asuming you dont go now??? I think you are right with the first bit mate. I think many anthropologists would argue that love is ultimatly a way of ensuring security through a pack /tribal / community structure etc. ..or maybe love is unique to man because we're the only ones capable of the use of language to describe what would otherwise be nothing more than a raw, primal instinct..? Or is love an emotion only found in humans because we have the ability of a deeper bond due to our superior intelignence, thought process and ability to reason? Possibly, some psychologists argue that every facet of our very consciousness stems from the human ability to form and use an infinitely complex, structured language. They also argue that we derive our own, personal view of the world from the very language we speak, so the next question could be: Does love feel & mean different things to different people from around the world depending on their world view and the different structures of their language? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 48,157 Posted September 27, 2011 Report Share Posted September 27, 2011 Crikey, this is deep Do any animals love? Or is it instinct or pack structure or something else? maybee,,, but then is that what our love is,, just a pack type instinct??? couriouse point,,, why go to church for a year for a christning,, and im asuming you dont go now??? I think you are right with the first bit mate. I think many anthropologists would argue that love is ultimatly a way of ensuring security through a pack /tribal / community structure etc. ..or maybe love is unique to man because we're the only ones capable of the use of language to describe what would otherwise be nothing more than a raw, primal instinct..? Theres no primal instinct to someone pushing someone else out the way of a bus and costing themslves their own life 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scothunter 12,609 Posted September 27, 2011 Report Share Posted September 27, 2011 I agree wilf.take out the crazy far out things in the bible,and modernise it,and actually if we can use the "perfect" world.it would be an ideal planet.however society to a point,deems who we are. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Simoman 110 Posted September 27, 2011 Report Share Posted September 27, 2011 Crikey, this is deep Do any animals love? Or is it instinct or pack structure or something else? maybee,,, but then is that what our love is,, just a pack type instinct??? couriouse point,,, why go to church for a year for a christning,, and im asuming you dont go now??? I think you are right with the first bit mate. I think many anthropologists would argue that love is ultimatly a way of ensuring security through a pack /tribal / community structure etc. ..or maybe love is unique to man because we're the only ones capable of the use of language to describe what would otherwise be nothing more than a raw, primal instinct..? Or is love an emotion only found in humans because we have the ability of a deeper bond due to our superior intelignence, thought process and ability to reason? Possibly, some psychologists argue that the every facet of our very consciousness stems from the human ability to form and use an infinitely complex, structured language. They also argue that we derive our own, personal view of the world from the very language we speak, so the next question could be: Does love feel & mean different things to different people from around the world depending on their world view and the different structures of their language? Well first of all i'd guess all animals dont love and rely on instinct, and that only people have developed deeper emotions including love Good question Mal, my guess would be many people in less developed or more primitive societies would have a more pessimistic outlook of life and death, perhaps love wouldn't be any less, but different and more "realistic"? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
blan89 159 Posted September 27, 2011 Report Share Posted September 27, 2011 Crikey, this is deep Do any animals love? Or is it instinct or pack structure or something else? maybee,,, but then is that what our love is,, just a pack type instinct??? couriouse point,,, why go to church for a year for a christning,, and im asuming you dont go now??? I think you are right with the first bit mate. I think many anthropologists would argue that love is ultimatly a way of ensuring security through a pack /tribal / community structure etc. ..or maybe love is unique to man because we're the only ones capable of the use of language to describe what would otherwise be nothing more than a raw, primal instinct..? Theres no primal instinct to someone pushing someone else out the way of a bus and costing themslves their own life http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altruism about a quarter the way down... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scothunter 12,609 Posted September 27, 2011 Report Share Posted September 27, 2011 have you pair been smoking weed lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
andyfr1968 772 Posted September 27, 2011 Report Share Posted September 27, 2011 Crikey, this is deep Do any animals love? Or is it instinct or pack structure or something else? maybee,,, but then is that what our love is,, just a pack type instinct??? couriouse point,,, why go to church for a year for a christning,, and im asuming you dont go now??? I think you are right with the first bit mate. I think many anthropologists would argue that love is ultimatly a way of ensuring security through a pack /tribal / community structure etc. ..or maybe love is unique to man because we're the only ones capable of the use of language to describe what would otherwise be nothing more than a raw, primal instinct..? Or is love an emotion only found in humans because we have the ability of a deeper bond due to our superior intelignence, thought process and ability to reason? Possibly, some psychologists argue that the every facet of our very consciousness stems from the human ability to form and use an infinitely complex, structured language. They also argue that we derive our own, personal view of the world from the very language we speak, so the next question could be: Does love feel & mean different things to different people from around the world depending on their world view and the different structures of their language? Language can never convay a thing such as love that's so deeply embedded within ourselves without resorting to cliches, how many songs have been sung and poems written and yet none of them truly express love only one individual's interpritation of love and how they felt about it at the time. We're programmed to feel it and give it to those closest to us, to protect and nurcher our children and family. It's a very clever mechanism that nature has given us to preserve. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scothunter 12,609 Posted September 27, 2011 Report Share Posted September 27, 2011 A dog has a devotion to its master.isnt that a form of love Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 48,157 Posted September 27, 2011 Report Share Posted September 27, 2011 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altruism about a quarter the way down... I liked that matey, it gives some interesting theories but they still cant put a definitive reason why can they ............who know, maybe if they cant prove the theory they will have to rely on faith that they are correct Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 48,157 Posted September 27, 2011 Report Share Posted September 27, 2011 We're programmed to feel it and give it to those closest to us, to protect and nurcher our children and family. It's a very clever mechanism that nature has given us to preserve. f*****g everything in sight and hoping most of the offspring survive seems to be doing it for nearly every other animal? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kay 3,709 Posted September 27, 2011 Report Share Posted September 27, 2011 A dog has a devotion to its master.isnt that a form of love I think its a form of love , its unconditional on the dogs part , Elephants form strong family bonds & grieve for dead members of there families, i found watching Elephants cry tears for lost family members choking , very little moves me but that does Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Malt 379 Posted September 27, 2011 Report Share Posted September 27, 2011 Theres no primal instinct to someone pushing someone else out the way of a bus and costing themslves their own life I hear what you're saying Wilf, but them maybe that's a case of someone having the courage to override their primal instinct for self preservation.. I wouldn't have thought that courage was a natural human instinct, more of a concious application of the more natural 'fight or flight' instinct to serve another purpose, based on an individual humans moral way of thinking? Well first of all i'd guess all animals dont love and rely on instinct, and that only people have developed deeper emotions including love Good question Mal, my guess would be many people in less developed or more primitive societies would have a more pessimistic outlook of life and death, perhaps love wouldn't be any less, but different and more "realistic"? I'd agree with your first point. I think people in less developed countries with high mortality rates would probably come to accept loss easier than us. In places like the UK, long lifetimes of settled attachment have been the norm for some time now, but would the love they felt be any weaker or stronger than ours? On balance, I'd agree with your second point too.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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