testimony

[asanley 1,009]

I hope cold ethyl doesn,t read this thread , she,ll open a rescue centre for lost souls !

[scothunter 12,609]

used to love watching christopher hitchins tearing into the american believers lol

[Born Hunter 17,763]

The bible says the world is approx 6,000 years old.however science can quite comfortabily say its at least 200,000 years old.we no for a fact that dinasaurs roamed the earth.yet no mention of this.and i have never had a plausable answer to both these points from any religious person.they seem to skim right over these two major facts.i dont know the teachings of the quoran,be interesting to know how old they think the world is.

 

sorry ill edit that.i mean man on the planet 200,000 years old.the world is way older

 

God has put these untruths to us to 'test' our faith. Science is really the devils work and anyone that embraces progress will face the wrath of the church.

 

Dinosaurs were monsters killed in the great flood, the world is actually flat, the world is the center of God's universe (Galileo was a lying b*****d!) and the Big bang was a devine fart!

 

Faith and religion are two very different things and should'nt be confused.

 

Spot on.

 

We shouldn't allow ourselves to be totally blinded by science either though. Look at what's happened with the neutrinos seeming to travel faster than light at the LHC. If their results are confirmed, then the laws of physics will have to be rewritten and 100 years of theory go out the window..

 

Not saying that's down to religion though!

 

Actually Einstein's special relativity will still be perfectly relavent and aplicable as it is to satalite technology and anything involving high velocities. Don't believe the media hype! This is a massive discovery (if reproduced and verified by the japs and yanks) but it hasnt proven Einstein wrong, it has mearly opened up a new area of physics. Very much like when quantum mechanics was discovered, it didnt prove Newton wrong and wipe the classical physics slate clean. It simply said that "for classical situations our current knowledge and laws are fine however for this special situation it fails and we must re-write our laws".

 

This superluminous neutrino is certainly ground breaking science however due to its zero rest mass special rel doesnt really apply anyway.

 

Difference with science is, if something is proven then it doesnt matter whether it re-writes current laws, we embrace it as progress.

 

[Malt 379]

 

Difference with science is, if something is proven then it doesnt matter whether it re-writes current laws, we embrace it as progress.

 

 

That's kind of the point I was trying to make! It always pays to keep an open mind. If we close our minds to any ideology or start thinking we know all there is to know, we'll all be the poorer for it. I think we should always strive to question the known as well as questioning the unknown. Nothing should ever be 'gospel', untouchable from discussion or debate..

[Born Hunter 17,763]

Also I would like to add that particles with faster than light velocities had been theorised as a result of special relativity. The Tachyon I believe is such a theoretical particle, the theoretical physics of which I do'nt know I'm afraid.

 

Also like to add that there is theoretical physics and then there is cold hard fact proven with experimental physics.

 

[Born Hunter 17,763]

 

Difference with science is, if something is proven then it doesnt matter whether it re-writes current laws, we embrace it as progress.

 

 

That's kind of the point I was trying to make! It always pays to keep an open mind. If we close our minds to any ideology or start thinking we know all there is to know, we'll all be the poorer for it. I think we should always strive to question the known as well as questioning the unknown. Nothing should ever be 'gospel', untouchable from discussion or debate..

 

Absolutely, it's a very poor scientist that believes he knows everything or assumes that his theories are unquestionable. If we discovered a planet where apples dont fall to the ground then the whole of classical physics will be brought back into question!

[Malt 379]

Also I would like to add that particles with faster than light velocities had been theorised as a result of special relativity. The Tachyon I believe is such a theoretical particle, the theoretical physics of which I do'nt know I'm afraid.

 

Also like to add that there is theoretical physics and then there is cold hard fact proven with experimental physics.

 

 

I'm on the very edge of my limited knowledge with all this if I'm honest! My mate's wife is studying astrophysics to degree level, and because I show an interest in the subject & understand slightly more about what she's talking about than everybody else she talks to when we're all doing something together, she tends to open up to me as the drinks go down and I soon get into a conversation that starts to go right over my head! Kind of like this one!

 

Fascinating subject and one I wish I could seriously devote the time to learn.

[Born Hunter 17,763]

Also I would like to add that particles with faster than light velocities had been theorised as a result of special relativity. The Tachyon I believe is such a theoretical particle, the theoretical physics of which I do'nt know I'm afraid.

 

Also like to add that there is theoretical physics and then there is cold hard fact proven with experimental physics.

 

 

I'm on the very edge of my limited knowledge with all this if I'm honest! My mate's wife is studying astrophysics to degree level, and because I show an interest in the subject & understand slightly more about what she's talking about than everybody else she talks to when we're all doing something together, she tends to open up to me as the drinks go down and I soon get into a conversation that starts to go right over my head! Kind of like this one!

 

Fascinating subject and one I wish I could seriously devote the time to learn.

 

Very envious of her! I did straight physics but astrophysics/cosmology was what I wanted to do. 90% of physics is mind numbing maths that I fecking hate, 10% is absolutely fascinating. I love nothing more than sitting with a few philosophical types in an evening with a few drinks and chatting shit, Im leagues below most physicists in terms of knowledge and intelligence but I still have that essential inquisitive nature. I truly stand in awe looking at some of the things in our natural world.

[Malt 379]

Also I would like to add that particles with faster than light velocities had been theorised as a result of special relativity. The Tachyon I believe is such a theoretical particle, the theoretical physics of which I do'nt know I'm afraid.

 

Also like to add that there is theoretical physics and then there is cold hard fact proven with experimental physics.

 

 

I'm on the very edge of my limited knowledge with all this if I'm honest! My mate's wife is studying astrophysics to degree level, and because I show an interest in the subject & understand slightly more about what she's talking about than everybody else she talks to when we're all doing something together, she tends to open up to me as the drinks go down and I soon get into a conversation that starts to go right over my head! Kind of like this one!

 

Fascinating subject and one I wish I could seriously devote the time to learn.

 

Very envious of her! I did straight physics but astrophysics/cosmology was what I wanted to do. 90% of physics is mind numbing maths that I fecking hate, 10% is absolutely fascinating. I love nothing more than sitting with a few philosophical types in an evening with a few drinks and chatting shit, Im leagues below most physicists in terms of knowledge and intelligence but I still have that essential inquisitive nature. I truly stand in awe looking at some of the things in our natural world.

 

The maths is what would seriously put me off studying any sort of physics.. I hated the subject in school and got yo yo'd up and down between higher and lower sets. They put me down two in quick succession because it bored me & I messed about, then back up over the final year because I had the ability to actually do it to a decent standard.

 

My friends wife is doing hers at home with the OU.

[Born Hunter 17,763]

 

The maths is what would seriously put me off studying any sort of physics.. I hated the subject in school and got yo yo'd up and down between higher and lower sets. They put me down two in quick succession because it bored me & I messed about, then back up over the final year because I had the ability to actually do it to a decent standard.

 

My friends wife is doing hers at home with the OU.

 

It's not too bad, because you hav'nt a choice but to do it ya kind get to enjoy it in a sad way, lol. Any derivation is basically just a puzzle that has to be solved using a few mathematical laws/techniques. It's a ball ache but if you understand the physics that the maths is explaining it becomes quite insightfull and you will end up using the mathematical laws to figure out the physics. If you genuinely have an interest pal, give it a go, dont let the maths put you off. There are physics degree courses than minimise the maths by concentrating more on experimental stuff I believe, physics and astronomy comes to mind.

 

Edited to add; i think I've had my 'geek on' for long enough to be embarassed now so ffs someone start a decent thread on dogs!

Edited September 29, 2011 by Born Hunter

[skycat 6,173]

I have just sat and read this thread with jaw dropped. To say that I am amazed by the depth of your thinkings (this to everyone who has posted with thought provoking replies to the original poster) is an under statement.

 

I was sort of brought up knowing that my mother believed in Jesus, God etc, whilst my father told us he was an agnostic ( a don't know). I've never felt the need to 'believe' in a God, kindly or other wise, but I firmly believe there is 'something' greater than us. What it is I don't know. However, and this is my point, we are all, to some extent or another, brought up with a religion, doesn't matter what religion, in our backgrounds, even if our own parents, even grandparents, might not have been church goers or believers. We are, nonetheless, steeped in the various moral codes of whatever religion is mainstream in our countries of birth.

 

No matter how we might try and divorce ourselves from any notion of religious beliefs, they are there, engrained in our pysches over hundreds of years. As someone said, the original commandments were put there to instil a practical code of living into a savage, and selfish race. Though shalt not kill, thou shalt not steal etc etc. It's all there simply to force people to live in harmony with each other.

 

What I find interesting is WHY these religions needed to put these moral codes into place to begin with: why do remote tribes hidden away in the jungle not need these codes put upon us by mainstream religions? Do these tribes even have moral codes, spoken rules for living, or do they simply live by the instincts of pack animals: feeding, tending, protecting their own families/clans. I know that many worship and believe in the power/influence of their ancestors, but many don't have deities or Gods in whom they believe.

 

And why, as peoples evolve, do they seem to be ever more determined to destroy each other, and anything which might seem alien to their own way of thinking? Is it simply because humans didn't originally evolve to live in very large societies? Would we still be in the same boat if we had been less successful as a species? Had we remained in small tribes, less evolved, fewer in number, would we still have the same problems with each other?

 

And why, if we are so evolved, do we still feel the need to kill other humans if their beliefs don't agree with our own?

[Simoman 110]

I have just sat and read this thread with jaw dropped. To say that I am amazed by the depth of your thinkings (this to everyone who has posted with thought provoking replies to the original poster) is an under statement.

 

I was sort of brought up knowing that my mother believed in Jesus, God etc, whilst my father told us he was an agnostic ( a don't know). I've never felt the need to 'believe' in a God, kindly or other wise, but I firmly believe there is 'something' greater than us. What it is I don't know. However, and this is my point, we are all, to some extent or another, brought up with a religion, doesn't matter what religion, in our backgrounds, even if our own parents, even grandparents, might not have been church goers or believers. We are, nonetheless, steeped in the various moral codes of whatever religion is mainstream in our countries of birth.

 

No matter how we might try and divorce ourselves from any notion of religious beliefs, they are there, engrained in our pysches over hundreds of years. As someone said, the original commandments were put there to instil a practical code of living into a savage, and selfish race. Though shalt not kill, thou shalt not steal etc etc. It's all there simply to force people to live in harmony with each other.

 

What I find interesting is WHY these religions needed to put these moral codes into place to begin with: why do remote tribes hidden away in the jungle not need these codes put upon us by mainstream religions? Do these tribes even have moral codes, spoken rules for living, or do they simply live by the instincts of pack animals: feeding, tending, protecting their own families/clans. I know that many worship and believe in the power/influence of their ancestors, but many don't have deities or Gods in whom they believe.

 

And why, as peoples evolve, do they seem to be ever more determined to destroy each other, and anything which might seem alien to their own way of thinking? Is it simply because humans didn't originally evolve to live in very large societies? Would we still be in the same boat if we had been less successful as a species? Had we remained in small tribes, less evolved, fewer in number, would we still have the same problems with each other?

 

And why, if we are so evolved, do we still feel the need to kill other humans if their beliefs don't agree with our own?

 

I think you mentioned it earlier in your post Penny, some form of religion has been branded into our physche and over centuries, and it seems that religion has been the cause of many wars and more deaths since history books were written, from the crusades to the recent religion based problems across the water and the radical islamics and the western world......

I think primitive societies(from my love of Bruce Parry ) still battle over territory, food source etc, perhaps when some societies became more "civilsed" we needed something new to fight over so religion was formed as a reason for starting wars? :laugh: :laugh:

[scothunter 12,609]

been a good thread this,certainly got me thinking of stuff,that i hadnt thought of in a long time.

[Simoman 110]

My belief in religion started the day i met bogger, as his hair appeared to be parted by Moses...........

[paulus 26]

I have just sat and read this thread with jaw dropped. To say that I am amazed by the depth of your thinkings (this to everyone who has posted with thought provoking replies to the original poster) is an under statement.

 

I was sort of brought up knowing that my mother believed in Jesus, God etc, whilst my father told us he was an agnostic ( a don't know). I've never felt the need to 'believe' in a God, kindly or other wise, but I firmly believe there is 'something' greater than us. What it is I don't know. However, and this is my point, we are all, to some extent or another, brought up with a religion, doesn't matter what religion, in our backgrounds, even if our own parents, even grandparents, might not have been church goers or believers. We are, nonetheless, steeped in the various moral codes of whatever religion is mainstream in our countries of birth.

 

No matter how we might try and divorce ourselves from any notion of religious beliefs, they are there, engrained in our pysches over hundreds of years. As someone said, the original commandments were put there to instil a practical code of living into a savage, and selfish race. Though shalt not kill, thou shalt not steal etc etc. It's all there simply to force people to live in harmony with each other.

 

What I find interesting is WHY these religions needed to put these moral codes into place to begin with: why do remote tribes hidden away in the jungle not need these codes put upon us by mainstream religions? Do these tribes even have moral codes, spoken rules for living, or do they simply live by the instincts of pack animals: feeding, tending, protecting their own families/clans. I know that many worship and believe in the power/influence of their ancestors, but many don't have deities or Gods in whom they believe.

 

And why, as peoples evolve, do they seem to be ever more determined to destroy each other, and anything which might seem alien to their own way of thinking? Is it simply because humans didn't originally evolve to live in very large societies? Would we still be in the same boat if we had been less successful as a species? Had we remained in small tribes, less evolved, fewer in number, would we still have the same problems with each other?

 

And why, if we are so evolved, do we still feel the need to kill other humans if their beliefs don't agree with our own?

 

could it be our need to fight and kill each other is pre programmed into us as human beings as nothing other than ourselves has the ability to control our numbers i do beilive religon was a way of trying to bring harmony and peace but as most things to do with humanity greed and power corrupts.