gnasher16 30,280 Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 (edited) everyone thinks david ike is a complete nutter with his tales of reptiles from another planet but his beleifs are no more stupid than any other religeon its funny how some people ,choose to beleive one crock of shite and yet dispel all others, Didnt he once claim to be the son of god.....,as well as a Coventry City goalkeeper Edited September 30, 2011 by gnasher16 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Simoman 110 Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 His website is an interesting read, especially the information about 9/11 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
asanley 1,009 Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 To me all religions sound about as sensible as David Ickes , I thought long and hard about them and thier just not for me , but I must admit to being a bit jealous of the happiness and peace some peoples faith brings them . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scothunter 12,609 Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 His website is an interesting read, especially the information about 9/11 he thinks the world is controlled by lizzards,even saying that the royals are aswell.come out with stuff like that,and instantly discount anythingthey say Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Simoman 110 Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 His website is an interesting read, especially the information about 9/11 he thinks the world is controlled by lizzards,even saying that the royals are aswell.come out with stuff like that,and instantly discount anythingthey say Have you not seen the tv series V? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scothunter 12,609 Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 His website is an interesting read, especially the information about 9/11 he thinks the world is controlled by lizzards,even saying that the royals are aswell.come out with stuff like that,and instantly discount anythingthey say Have you not seen the tv series V? lol is that where all the hedgehogs have been going. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
deadgame 58 Posted October 11, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2011 Without doubt there will be people who read this that take the piss,laugh or generally think this chap deadgame is completely nuts..........personally i admire the guts it takes for a man to stand by his convictions and be true to himself regardless of what others say..... A good friend of mine who i referred to earlier once told me the most difficult thing about his whole " saviour " thing was the reaction he would get from those around him,fear of idiots like me laughing at him......but as ive heard said many times,its not always easy to be a christian.......so mr deadgame,hats off to you sir. Thank you....But there is a lot more to it than that. The thing is that I believe this 100% with everything that is in me. that one day everyone of us, whether we believe it or not will stand before the Throne of God and give an account for our lives. When someone is looking at the throne, they will not be able to say I don't believe, but they may be able to say if you would have sent someone to tell me I would have believed. God will say I sent Deadgame to tell you, come here Deadgame, did you tell them. I will either say yes or no. I would rather you remember me as the wanker that posted on the Hunting Life that Jesus was the only way to get to Heaven than to have you remember me as a man in the states that had the best dogs in the world. We all inherited our sin nature from our father, who inherited it from their father all the way back to Adam. We have all sinned. because of that we must be seperated from God who is Holy The wages of sin is death. We will never be able to pay for our sins just like I could never quit drinking and drugs. BUT God sent his son Jesus to pay the price for our sins, so that all we have to do is believe that and accept it and we can be with God forever. The Bible says that God has put the knowledge of himself inside of all men, so that they are without excuse. You know just like I did. that there is something.............You can PM me anytime. all of you. Todd Quote Link to post Share on other sites
deadgame 58 Posted October 11, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2011 Deadgame, you say that god 'loves us all' and then you go on to say that ' If we decide that we do not want to be with God when we die it will be enforced. It's a bit like saying to someone 'love me or I'll kill you', don't you think? And lets be honest, most of the ten commandment are god telling Moses to pass on to the rest of mankind that if we don't worship 'him' we're all damned? Funny kind of love, IMHO. When God created us, he could have made us like robots where we did not have a choice. Where we had to worship him. But he gave us all a freewill. I choose for myself what I will do, I chose my job, my wife, the town that I live in. The choices that we make shape our world. I chose to do drugs, when I was younger. My first born son grew up in a house with an idiot that smoked pot and drank in front of him, and led him to believe that it was Ok and normal. Then after I quit doing them he started doing them. He overdosed on 10-28-2008. It was because of a choice that he made, but it also goes back to a choice that I made when I was teaching him what was right and what was wrong. I will always live with that. We have things in our life that enfluence our decisions, the way we were raised up, where we were raised up...ETC... but still the final choice is ours, and there are consequences to those choices. If we spend our life saying we do not want anything to do with God, but then on our deathbed we change our mind and ask God to forgive us, he will. But if we don't and die in our sins, we will be seperated from God throughout eternity. There is hope as long as we are alive, but once we die the hope is gone....... Todd Quote Link to post Share on other sites
asanley 1,009 Posted October 11, 2011 Report Share Posted October 11, 2011 Well done for starting an interesting theological debate , but this is preaching and it,s not what I,m on here for . ATB 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
deadgame 58 Posted October 11, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2011 Well The new testament was written in ancient Greek and there were several words that were translated into are word love. Philo, Agapeo are a couple of them. A quote from deadgame... That's the thing though, the modern version of the bible was bassed on what was originally written by one Greek bloke in the year 124 AD. It was one man's interpritation of very many books, scrolls and anicdotal stories (many of which were ignored and omitted...). In that sence alone it almost makes Christianity the same as Islam purely in the way that it is just one man's version of events, and what agenda did he have? Who knows..... I am in no way saying that Christianity has the same structure as Islam, that was one man's scribblings in one lifetime, whereas the bible is a collection of stories covering centuaries interpreted by one man, then translated many times over, over many more centuaries by other men for whatever they and their masters wanted the populus to believe. The whole concept of hell and the devil as we know him now does not appear until the middle ages..... Taken as a work of fiction or even as a kind of code of conduct, the bible has a lot of good advice once all the chaff's been removed but to be taken as a litteral work of historical fact (gospal) is for me taking it way too far, it just does not stand up. Andy one of the oldest books in the Bible maybe the oldest is the book of Job. The Book of Job talks about the Devil. There are hundred's of greek manuscropts. The dead sea scrools had some of the books of the old testament from begining to end. One thing that the Bible says about the Devil is that he walked among the firey stones. He was in Heaven, he saw God and still rebelled against God. He was created with more power and more gifts than any other Angel but he still fell. Even the other angels had to decide who they would follow, one third of them decided to follow the devil. The other two thirds decided not to follow the devil, eventhough it must have looked like the devil was right they had to believe what they saw, or believe what they had been told by or about God. God could show himself or he could have an angel show himself to us, so that we would believe, but the bible says without faith it is impossible to please God. So when one of us believes that the Bible is the word of God despite the fact that the world tells us that it was written by a man, or that it is filled with contradictions, or there are many ways to get to Heaven, or how could a God of Love send us to Hell.........then it pleases God, and your faith becomes visible not only to those around you but to yourself. no one could ever convince me that there is no God, or that the Bible is not true. I do not understand it all but I have read it all. This is a temporary life. filled with pains and heartaches, and even if we live to be 200 it will be over very soon. think about how long we will be dead.......... Todd Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scothunter 12,609 Posted October 11, 2011 Report Share Posted October 11, 2011 Well The new testament was written in ancient Greek and there were several words that were translated into are word love. Philo, Agapeo are a couple of them. A quote from deadgame... That's the thing though, the modern version of the bible was bassed on what was originally written by one Greek bloke in the year 124 AD. It was one man's interpritation of very many books, scrolls and anicdotal stories (many of which were ignored and omitted...). In that sence alone it almost makes Christianity the same as Islam purely in the way that it is just one man's version of events, and what agenda did he have? Who knows..... I am in no way saying that Christianity has the same structure as Islam, that was one man's scribblings in one lifetime, whereas the bible is a collection of stories covering centuaries interpreted by one man, then translated many times over, over many more centuaries by other men for whatever they and their masters wanted the populus to believe. The whole concept of hell and the devil as we know him now does not appear until the middle ages..... Taken as a work of fiction or even as a kind of code of conduct, the bible has a lot of good advice once all the chaff's been removed but to be taken as a litteral work of historical fact (gospal) is for me taking it way too far, it just does not stand up. Andy one of the oldest books in the Bible maybe the oldest is the book of Job. The Book of Job talks about the Devil. There are hundred's of greek manuscropts. The dead sea scrools had some of the books of the old testament from begining to end. One thing that the Bible says about the Devil is that he walked among the firey stones. He was in Heaven, he saw God and still rebelled against God. He was created with more power and more gifts than any other Angel but he still fell. Even the other angels had to decide who they would follow, one third of them decided to follow the devil. The other two thirds decided not to follow the devil, eventhough it must have looked like the devil was right they had to believe what they saw, or believe what they had been told by or about God. God could show himself or he could have an angel show himself to us, so that we would believe, but the bible says without faith it is impossible to please God. So when one of us believes that the Bible is the word of God despite the fact that the world tells us that it was written by a man, or that it is filled with contradictions, or there are many ways to get to Heaven, or how could a God of Love send us to Hell.........then it pleases God, and your faith becomes visible not only to those around you but to yourself. no one could ever convince me that there is no God, or that the Bible is not true. I do not understand it all but I have read it all. This is a temporary life. filled with pains and heartaches, and even if we live to be 200 it will be over very soon. think about how long we will be dead.......... Todd Sanguis Bibimus Corpus Edemus tolle corpus satani ave versus christus Quote Link to post Share on other sites
andyfr1968 772 Posted October 11, 2011 Report Share Posted October 11, 2011 Well The new testament was written in ancient Greek and there were several words that were translated into are word love. Philo, Agapeo are a couple of them. A quote from deadgame... That's the thing though, the modern version of the bible was bassed on what was originally written by one Greek bloke in the year 124 AD. It was one man's interpritation of very many books, scrolls and anicdotal stories (many of which were ignored and omitted...). In that sence alone it almost makes Christianity the same as Islam purely in the way that it is just one man's version of events, and what agenda did he have? Who knows..... I am in no way saying that Christianity has the same structure as Islam, that was one man's scribblings in one lifetime, whereas the bible is a collection of stories covering centuaries interpreted by one man, then translated many times over, over many more centuaries by other men for whatever they and their masters wanted the populus to believe. The whole concept of hell and the devil as we know him now does not appear until the middle ages..... Taken as a work of fiction or even as a kind of code of conduct, the bible has a lot of good advice once all the chaff's been removed but to be taken as a litteral work of historical fact (gospal) is for me taking it way too far, it just does not stand up. Andy one of the oldest books in the Bible maybe the oldest is the book of Job. The Book of Job talks about the Devil. There are hundred's of greek manuscropts. The dead sea scrools had some of the books of the old testament from begining to end. One thing that the Bible says about the Devil is that he walked among the firey stones. He was in Heaven, he saw God and still rebelled against God. He was created with more power and more gifts than any other Angel but he still fell. Even the other angels had to decide who they would follow, one third of them decided to follow the devil. The other two thirds decided not to follow the devil, eventhough it must have looked like the devil was right they had to believe what they saw, or believe what they had been told by or about God. God could show himself or he could have an angel show himself to us, so that we would believe, but the bible says without faith it is impossible to please God. So when one of us believes that the Bible is the word of God despite the fact that the world tells us that it was written by a man, or that it is filled with contradictions, or there are many ways to get to Heaven, or how could a God of Love send us to Hell.........then it pleases God, and your faith becomes visible not only to those around you but to yourself. no one could ever convince me that there is no God, or that the Bible is not true. I do not understand it all but I have read it all. This is a temporary life. filled with pains and heartaches, and even if we live to be 200 it will be over very soon. think about how long we will be dead.......... Todd Sanguis Bibimus Corpus Edemus tolle corpus satani ave versus christus Give us a clue, Scot, my Latin's a little rusty Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dixiebop 125 Posted October 12, 2011 Report Share Posted October 12, 2011 TC HAB A L 3000 (Anne Lucis),Pentangle of gold, Representing the 5 wounds of Christ and the 5 virtues of generosity,fellowship,purity,courtesy and mercy, Scott..a little bit of Bible wouldn't go amiss .It's all in how you read it ? Deadgame,good on you for your belief,and in my eyes a good thing.Some believe,the Sacred Law has many vessels,If any Teaching can be for the general good then I,m all for it.John 5:24 comes to mind Personally,I like Psalm 2,Psalm 14. Each to their own,and it's by free choice.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scothunter 12,609 Posted October 12, 2011 Report Share Posted October 12, 2011 Well The new testament was written in ancient Greek and there were several words that were translated into are word love. Philo, Agapeo are a couple of them. A quote from deadgame... That's the thing though, the modern version of the bible was bassed on what was originally written by one Greek bloke in the year 124 AD. It was one man's interpritation of very many books, scrolls and anicdotal stories (many of which were ignored and omitted...). In that sence alone it almost makes Christianity the same as Islam purely in the way that it is just one man's version of events, and what agenda did he have? Who knows..... I am in no way saying that Christianity has the same structure as Islam, that was one man's scribblings in one lifetime, whereas the bible is a collection of stories covering centuaries interpreted by one man, then translated many times over, over many more centuaries by other men for whatever they and their masters wanted the populus to believe. The whole concept of hell and the devil as we know him now does not appear until the middle ages..... Taken as a work of fiction or even as a kind of code of conduct, the bible has a lot of good advice once all the chaff's been removed but to be taken as a litteral work of historical fact (gospal) is for me taking it way too far, it just does not stand up. Andy one of the oldest books in the Bible maybe the oldest is the book of Job. The Book of Job talks about the Devil. There are hundred's of greek manuscropts. The dead sea scrools had some of the books of the old testament from begining to end. One thing that the Bible says about the Devil is that he walked among the firey stones. He was in Heaven, he saw God and still rebelled against God. He was created with more power and more gifts than any other Angel but he still fell. Even the other angels had to decide who they would follow, one third of them decided to follow the devil. The other two thirds decided not to follow the devil, eventhough it must have looked like the devil was right they had to believe what they saw, or believe what they had been told by or about God. God could show himself or he could have an angel show himself to us, so that we would believe, but the bible says without faith it is impossible to please God. So when one of us believes that the Bible is the word of God despite the fact that the world tells us that it was written by a man, or that it is filled with contradictions, or there are many ways to get to Heaven, or how could a God of Love send us to Hell.........then it pleases God, and your faith becomes visible not only to those around you but to yourself. no one could ever convince me that there is no God, or that the Bible is not true. I do not understand it all but I have read it all. This is a temporary life. filled with pains and heartaches, and even if we live to be 200 it will be over very soon. think about how long we will be dead.......... Todd Sanguis Bibimus Corpus Edemus tolle corpus satani ave versus christus Give us a clue, Scot, my Latin's a little rusty its praising the anti christ mate lol a little bit of the bible you say dixie.its bollocks Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dixiebop 125 Posted October 12, 2011 Report Share Posted October 12, 2011 Bollocks to some to others,a book full of History,Poetry,Philosophy,Prophecy and depending on your understanding of certain passages such as the early chapters of Genesis or the book ascribed to the Prophet Jonah,perhaps also Myths and Parables There are 4 ways at looking at it; Literal, plain and obvious,words understood in everyday senses,taken at face value. Moral, text understood as relevant to our own lives and situations and to the decisions we make . Allegorical ,interpretation of the elements of the text as standing for something else. Spiritual, the meaning is hidden,inner,often mystical meaning. If all that is bollocks,all I can say is ,your loss Why is there No cats in the Bible ? read it there is no mention .[media=''] [/media] Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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