THE LAST BULL FIGHT,,,Barcelona bans it

[rob190364 2,594]

have never liked bull fighting,some guy sticking blades into a bulls spine until it drops and bleeds to death wheres the fun in than?

 

 

Have you been to one?

 

Some toffs on a horse chasing a poor old fox untill it's exhausted then 'ripped to shreds by wild dogs'.

 

Sound familiar?

 

FTB

It's not quite the same thing, with fox hunting it's done in the foxes natural environment and most of them get away, it's also pretty much an instant death once they are caught. You're right, the propaganda spouted by antis can make it sound barbaric, but none of that is based on facts and it can be (and is IMO) massively exaggerated to support what they're trying to do, and a lot of what they say is subjective anyway, hence the reason why that argument will never go away. One person's view of a quick painless death could be seen as cruel by others, a fair chase in some peoples eyes could be viewed as unfair in other peoples eyes.

 

Stating that the bull isn't in its natural environment, can't escape, and is speared over and over again isn't debatable and it isn't propaganda, it's fact! I don't know enough about it to say whether I think it should be banned or not, but on the face of it and with my limited understanding of it, I don't agree with it..........but I've also heard a few other things that the Spanish do that seem pointlessly cruel aswell. Hunting, pest control, culling etc. is one thing, but torturing something just for the spectacle isn't my cup of tea at all.

[MOO 730]

An animal as powerfull as they bulls does not derserve to die in that manner

[FightTheBan 1,147]

have never liked bull fighting,some guy sticking blades into a bulls spine until it drops and bleeds to death wheres the fun in than?

 

 

Have you been to one?

 

Some toffs on a horse chasing a poor old fox untill it's exhausted then 'ripped to shreds by wild dogs'.

 

Sound familiar?

 

FTB

It's not quite the same thing, with fox hunting it's done in the foxes natural environment and most of them get away, it's also pretty much an instant death once they are caught. You're right, the propaganda spouted by antis can make it sound barbaric, but none of that is based on facts and it can be (and is IMO) massively exaggerated to support what they're trying to do, and a lot of what they say is subjective anyway, hence the reason why that argument will never go away. One person's view of a quick painless death could be seen as cruel by others, a fair chase in some peoples eyes could be viewed as unfair in other peoples eyes.

 

Stating that the bull isn't in its natural environment, can't escape, and is speared over and over again isn't debatable and it isn't propaganda, it's fact! I don't know enough about it to say whether I think it should be banned or not, but on the face of it and with my limited understanding of it, I don't agree with it..........but I've also heard a few other things that the Spanish do that seem pointlessly cruel aswell. Hunting, pest control, culling etc. is one thing, but torturing something just for the spectacle isn't my cup of tea at all.

 

 

I'm neither for or against it mate I just think to pass judgement on something you have to have done it or experienced it yourself. Not just going by what some c**t who thinks eating cabbage is cruel says.

When written on paper it does sound unnecessarily stressfull for the beast, but so does a poorly placed shot on any animal, taking deer with dogs or digging to terriers etc etc.

 

It's their tradition, it's their way of life who are we to say it is wrong?.

 

FTB

[WILF 46,697]

It will cost a few people their living, the bulls are bred at special ranches out there.........some very old families, traditions and ranches.

Some of the matadors are from a long line of matadors...............shame when peoples traditions are destroyed.

Its not my cup of tea, but then I dont suppose lurcherwork is many other peoples cup of tea

[TOMO 26,071]

Been to Pamplona years ago Tomo,did the bull run though wouldnt be able to do so nowadays,cardio fitness isnt up to it,better is the tomatina fiesta in bunol,the great tomato fight

 

yeh the mrs likes the idea of that , again another thing i have watched alot on the tv,, peronaly i dont fancy it,, i can imagin a tomato wanged full pelt at your head is gunna hurt, or getting seeds in the eye dont appeal.

 

i never wanted to do the run,, but if i could get in a safe spot ide ask the locals where that was, i wouldnt mind a go

[rob190364 2,594]

have never liked bull fighting,some guy sticking blades into a bulls spine until it drops and bleeds to death wheres the fun in than?

 

 

Have you been to one?

 

Some toffs on a horse chasing a poor old fox untill it's exhausted then 'ripped to shreds by wild dogs'.

 

Sound familiar?

 

FTB

It's not quite the same thing, with fox hunting it's done in the foxes natural environment and most of them get away, it's also pretty much an instant death once they are caught. You're right, the propaganda spouted by antis can make it sound barbaric, but none of that is based on facts and it can be (and is IMO) massively exaggerated to support what they're trying to do, and a lot of what they say is subjective anyway, hence the reason why that argument will never go away. One person's view of a quick painless death could be seen as cruel by others, a fair chase in some peoples eyes could be viewed as unfair in other peoples eyes.

 

Stating that the bull isn't in its natural environment, can't escape, and is speared over and over again isn't debatable and it isn't propaganda, it's fact! I don't know enough about it to say whether I think it should be banned or not, but on the face of it and with my limited understanding of it, I don't agree with it..........but I've also heard a few other things that the Spanish do that seem pointlessly cruel aswell. Hunting, pest control, culling etc. is one thing, but torturing something just for the spectacle isn't my cup of tea at all.

 

 

I'm neither for or against it mate I just think to pass judgement on something you have to have done it or experienced it yourself. Not just going by what some c**t who thinks eating cabbage is cruel says.

When written on paper it does sound unnecessarily stressfull for the beast, but so does a poorly placed shot on any animal, taking deer with dogs or digging to terriers etc etc.

 

It's their tradition, it's their way of life who are we to say it is wrong?.

 

FTB

Isn't stoning tradition in some Islamic countries? just because somethings a tradition it doesn't mean it's right. And I don't agree, you don't have to experience something to have an opinion on whether it's right or wrong.....you don't have to have experienced murder or rape to know it's wrong! An extreme example I know, but you get my point. If you know enough facts about something that you can pass judgement without experiencing it, but that's the key word, facts! and you need to see it from both sides before passing judgement aswell....but in my opinion argument for something has to be a bit better than "it's tradition".

[FightTheBan 1,147]

have never liked bull fighting,some guy sticking blades into a bulls spine until it drops and bleeds to death wheres the fun in than?

 

 

Have you been to one?

 

Some toffs on a horse chasing a poor old fox untill it's exhausted then 'ripped to shreds by wild dogs'.

 

Sound familiar?

 

FTB

It's not quite the same thing, with fox hunting it's done in the foxes natural environment and most of them get away, it's also pretty much an instant death once they are caught. You're right, the propaganda spouted by antis can make it sound barbaric, but none of that is based on facts and it can be (and is IMO) massively exaggerated to support what they're trying to do, and a lot of what they say is subjective anyway, hence the reason why that argument will never go away. One person's view of a quick painless death could be seen as cruel by others, a fair chase in some peoples eyes could be viewed as unfair in other peoples eyes.

 

Stating that the bull isn't in its natural environment, can't escape, and is speared over and over again isn't debatable and it isn't propaganda, it's fact! I don't know enough about it to say whether I think it should be banned or not, but on the face of it and with my limited understanding of it, I don't agree with it..........but I've also heard a few other things that the Spanish do that seem pointlessly cruel aswell. Hunting, pest control, culling etc. is one thing, but torturing something just for the spectacle isn't my cup of tea at all.

 

 

I'm neither for or against it mate I just think to pass judgement on something you have to have done it or experienced it yourself. Not just going by what some c**t who thinks eating cabbage is cruel says.

When written on paper it does sound unnecessarily stressfull for the beast, but so does a poorly placed shot on any animal, taking deer with dogs or digging to terriers etc etc.

 

It's their tradition, it's their way of life who are we to say it is wrong?.

 

FTB

Isn't stoning tradition in some Islamic countries? just because somethings a tradition it doesn't mean it's right. And I don't agree, you don't have to experience something to have an opinion on whether it's right or wrong.....you don't have to have experienced murder or rape to know it's wrong! An extreme example I know, but you get my point. If you know enough facts about something that you can pass judgement without experiencing it, but that's the key word, facts! and you need to see it from both sides before passing judgement aswell....but in my opinion argument for something has to be a bit better than "it's tradition".

 

 

Wheres the problem with that?

We all have different opinions, and I also share the opinion, as a sportsman, that everything has the right to a quick humane death when possible. But I am not going to judge other peoples sport when others look at you and me the same way.

 

Would you feel better if the bull was in a field with no audience.

 

FTB

[rob190364 2,594]

have never liked bull fighting,some guy sticking blades into a bulls spine until it drops and bleeds to death wheres the fun in than?

 

 

Have you been to one?

 

Some toffs on a horse chasing a poor old fox untill it's exhausted then 'ripped to shreds by wild dogs'.

 

Sound familiar?

 

FTB

It's not quite the same thing, with fox hunting it's done in the foxes natural environment and most of them get away, it's also pretty much an instant death once they are caught. You're right, the propaganda spouted by antis can make it sound barbaric, but none of that is based on facts and it can be (and is IMO) massively exaggerated to support what they're trying to do, and a lot of what they say is subjective anyway, hence the reason why that argument will never go away. One person's view of a quick painless death could be seen as cruel by others, a fair chase in some peoples eyes could be viewed as unfair in other peoples eyes.

 

Stating that the bull isn't in its natural environment, can't escape, and is speared over and over again isn't debatable and it isn't propaganda, it's fact! I don't know enough about it to say whether I think it should be banned or not, but on the face of it and with my limited understanding of it, I don't agree with it..........but I've also heard a few other things that the Spanish do that seem pointlessly cruel aswell. Hunting, pest control, culling etc. is one thing, but torturing something just for the spectacle isn't my cup of tea at all.

 

 

I'm neither for or against it mate I just think to pass judgement on something you have to have done it or experienced it yourself. Not just going by what some c**t who thinks eating cabbage is cruel says.

When written on paper it does sound unnecessarily stressfull for the beast, but so does a poorly placed shot on any animal, taking deer with dogs or digging to terriers etc etc.

 

It's their tradition, it's their way of life who are we to say it is wrong?.

 

FTB

Isn't stoning tradition in some Islamic countries? just because somethings a tradition it doesn't mean it's right. And I don't agree, you don't have to experience something to have an opinion on whether it's right or wrong.....you don't have to have experienced murder or rape to know it's wrong! An extreme example I know, but you get my point. If you know enough facts about something that you can pass judgement without experiencing it, but that's the key word, facts! and you need to see it from both sides before passing judgement aswell....but in my opinion argument for something has to be a bit better than "it's tradition".

 

 

Wheres the problem with that?

We all have different opinions, and I also share the opinion, as a sportsman, that everything has the right to a quick humane death when possible. But I am not going to judge other peoples sport when others look at you and me the same way.

 

Would you feel better if the bull was in a field with no audience.

 

FTB

some of them are fit!!!

 

it wouldn't be quite as bad as their would be the option of escape......not that a bull would run off anyway I wouldn't have thought? but it'd still be a bit too drawn out for my liking

[Lab 10,979]

Just think of all the sausages you could get from that bull mate.................

[rob190364 2,594]

Just think of all the sausages you could get from that bull mate.................

:laugh: that's true.......bring the f'cker here! I'll eat it alive!!!!!

[bird 9,872]

have never liked bull fighting,some guy sticking blades into a bulls spine until it drops and bleeds to death wheres the fun in than?

 

 

Have you been to one?

 

Some toffs on a horse chasing a poor old fox untill it's exhausted then 'ripped to shreds by wild dogs'.

 

Sound familiar?

 

FTB

It's not quite the same thing, with fox hunting it's done in the foxes natural environment and most of them get away, it's also pretty much an instant death once they are caught. You're right, the propaganda spouted by antis can make it sound barbaric, but none of that is based on facts and it can be (and is IMO) massively exaggerated to support what they're trying to do, and a lot of what they say is subjective anyway, hence the reason why that argument will never go away. One person's view of a quick painless death could be seen as cruel by others, a fair chase in some peoples eyes could be viewed as unfair in other peoples eyes.

 

Stating that the bull isn't in its natural environment, can't escape, and is speared over and over again isn't debatable and it isn't propaganda, it's fact! I don't know enough about it to say whether I think it should be banned or not, but on the face of it and with my limited understanding of it, I don't agree with it..........but I've also heard a few other things that the Spanish do that seem pointlessly cruel aswell. Hunting, pest control, culling etc. is one thing, but torturing something just for the spectacle isn't my cup of tea at all.

apart from the above, and it not really 1 man against a fit strong bull, as its lost alot of blood+strenght before it faces the matador. i dont mind what they do in there own country regards (there ) sport, but i dont like the crap they say he is brave man to face the bull, ye feckin face him when he is strong+fit , (not) nearly 1/2 dead . But what does get me feckin mad , is how thet treat the greyhounds when the dogs are to old+ hurt to run anymore, they hang the poor feckers from trees, and slow death there are cruel cu*ts fact

[Wullz 408]

I've been to a few bullfights, must admit I love it....great spectacle, if you read about it, what it all means, all the movements and the music etc it makes it all more understandable and enjoyable. I agree, to an outsider it looks cruel and if you were a tree huggin anti it would be an easy target due to what happens. BUT it is amazing and it is Spain, can you imagine Spain with no bullfight?? I didnt hunt, ever, but I went on the marches to try and get the ban stopped. Same reason I would stick up for bullfighting, its Spain and hunting was/is British! did anyone want coursing stopped? Two big grews against one wee hare?? Any sport can be broken down to look cruel....I shoot deer with supersonic bits of lead using a rifle with telescopic sights......from a distance.....those matadors are standing in front of a couple of tons of muscle, with a bad attitude and twa muckle great spears on its heed.....and they know how to use them! Fair do's I say, if they want to battle a big coo with a wee bit of cloth and a sword, go ahead!! I'll watch.....same as F1, sometimes, just sometimes.....the bull gits them!! Its exciting and an amazing spectacle...just like the things we like to do!

[Simoman 110]

For me it all boils down to one point, the bull has a guarenteed death, there is no form of escape, its NOT hunting, pre ban and now all the quarry i have run has been in its natural environment and has the chance of escape, and many times it does, the fact is the bull is reared for the bullring and has no chance of escape. I dont know enough about it, ive never been, so i dont know if the stories of bulls being weakened before, being raped with stakes or stabbed before entering the ring are true or propaganda, all i can base my opinion is on the facts i know, its not hunting, its baiting in my eyes.

 

Tradition comes in many forms, yes i love the tradition of foxhunting, but i wouldnt be interested in many of our other ancient traditions such as bear baiting, hanging/burning women who floated as witches etc etc

[rob190364 2,594]

I've been to a few bullfights, must admit I love it....great spectacle, if you read about it, what it all means, all the movements and the music etc it makes it all more understandable and enjoyable. I agree, to an outsider it looks cruel and if you were a tree huggin anti it would be an easy target due to what happens. BUT it is amazing and it is Spain, can you imagine Spain with no bullfight?? I didnt hunt, ever, but I went on the marches to try and get the ban stopped. Same reason I would stick up for bullfighting, its Spain and hunting was/is British! did anyone want coursing stopped? Two big grews against one wee hare?? Any sport can be broken down to look cruel....I shoot deer with supersonic bits of lead using a rifle with telescopic sights......from a distance.....those matadors are standing in front of a couple of tons of muscle, with a bad attitude and twa muckle great spears on its heed.....and they know how to use them! Fair do's I say, if they want to battle a big coo with a wee bit of cloth and a sword, go ahead!! I'll watch.....same as F1, sometimes, just sometimes.....the bull gits them!! Its exciting and an amazing spectacle...just like the things we like to do!

that's another point though, if the bull gets the matador, and kills him, the bull wins right? what happens to the bull then? I genuinely don't know but I bet it's not exactly a great outcome for the bull?

[scothunter 12,609]

there not really killing the bull.more putting it out its misery.