thinking of getting into falconry

[mattyv1433 8]

Hi all my name is matty and im currently studying gamekeeping at bishop burton college .I go ferreting and do a lot of shooting .I amm thinking of getting into falconry , what is an ideal bird to start with and to train.

 

Thanks

Matty

[j j m 6,539]

if your going to hunt a harris hawk is a good bird to start with,and therew not that hard to come bye these days

[grovsey 74]

any bird u want its all about the quarry u got to go at the time you got to fly ,reason i say any is you should have the knowlage and bird management to fly any .so get a mentor that knows what he is doing and u wont go wrong or do what alot do and just get a harris and then try learning from then on wards

[saxonmaster 74]

any bird u want its all about the quarry u got to go at the time you got to fly ,reason i say any is you should have the knowlage and bird management to fly any .so get a mentor that knows what he is doing and u wont go wrong or do what alot do and just get a harris and then try learning from then on wards

 

What if he cant get a mentor thats near him ?? are you offering to mentor him then mate ? Like he says mate get a harris hawk like the rest of us useless twats and just hope for the best mate thats what we all do.

[shello 6]

any bird u want its all about the quarry u got to go at the time you got to fly ,reason i say any is you should have the knowlage and bird management to fly any .so get a mentor that knows what he is doing and u wont go wrong or do what alot do and just get a harris and then try learning from then on wards

 

how come all the books ive read and all the falconers i have spoke to which is about a dozen or so say a HH is the best bird for a beginner then? are they wrong or is it just that too many folks are trying to get in to falconry that you seem to post negative comments? i was told a HH is definately the best 'first bird' as they have the best temperament to learn with

i mean i'm probably wrong as i'm just setting out in falconry but if those that know suggest something surely it's sound advice!!

[grovsey 74]

give me a redtail anyday over a harris

any bird u want its all about the quarry u got to go at the time you got to fly ,reason i say any is you should have the knowlage and bird management to fly any .so get a mentor that knows what he is doing and u wont go wrong or do what alot do and just get a harris and then try learning from then on wards

 

how come all the books ive read and all the falconers i have spoke to which is about a dozen or so say a HH is the best bird for a beginner then? are they wrong or is it just that too many folks are trying to get in to falconry that you seem to post negative comments? i was told a HH is definately the best 'first bird' as they have the best temperament to learn with

i mean i'm probably wrong as i'm just setting out in falconry but if those that know suggest something surely it's sound advice!!

ok then first a redtail is far a better bird than a harris and would you pay £2,ooo for one like then when they first came over here or is it they are cheap and u can get one for next to nothing .falconry has become fasion now days as you got these people offering to take you out for a falconry experiance and you give them £150 dabs and then u go of with a big grin on ur face even though u have learned next to nothing and the bird been up in a tree on ur hawk walk .then go and get the paper and buy a harris without out ever spending a season seeing what falconry is abou tthe good points and the shit points,but instead get the bird and then learn by asking on the net cos they not got a clue.next thing the bird is either a screamer,lost or sold on with a advert like

for sale harris hawk taking f&f flying at 1-7 ,plus equipment ,reason for sale is due to work commitments ,bla bla bla

then u get the local lad that has had a harris for a yr and not got a clue and then decids to teach another local lad cos he thinks he is a falconer now,then they got no where to fly or hunt on so the bird just sits in the garden or goes for a walk on local estate and everyone can talk to him about his amazing eagle .

 

 

am i bothered about the amount of people getting into falconry ............................YES

p.s if you know about weight control and bird managment you can fly any bird you want to

Edited September 20, 2011 by grovsey

[grovsey 74]

any bird u want its all about the quarry u got to go at the time you got to fly ,reason i say any is you should have the knowlage and bird management to fly any .so get a mentor that knows what he is doing and u wont go wrong or do what alot do and just get a harris and then try learning from then on wards

 

What if he cant get a mentor thats near him ?? are you offering to mentor him then mate ? Like he says mate get a harris hawk like the rest of us useless twats and just hope for the best mate thats what we all do.

if he cant find a mentor then dont get a bird i say,am i offering ,no why cos im already mentoring 2 people here ,one in york,and one of here .and ur last quote is very mature

[shello 6]

firstly, i aint some twat that just takes up something for fashion (as for others i can't comment), i take things seriously before i commit to them otherwise i'd be a fool, secondly i paid what i paid because i wanted to enjoy a day learning (and i did learn) about birds of prey (yes a weeks course would be better but hey ho) thirdly i live in the countryside (19 years now) and feel i could offer a good life to a bird of prey) as for asking on the net, why not? is it not best to ask first? yea some folks might get the bird first and maybe some do sell cos of other commitments,not me!! as for buying the harris hawk well i'm getting mine from a reliable source and from someone who knows about most birds of prey and someone who is willing to help me, not someone who just seems to want to slate everyone for wanting to learn and ask questions about falconry!! i dare say that if hh's were £2k folks would think twice but don't tell me you've never bought something cos it's 'cheaper than it was last week/year' if you're that bothered about people getting in to falconry i feel sorry for you! it seems to me that most folk on here are helpfull but you give me the impression you really don't like folks getting in to 'your sport'

tough! i'm 48 years old and i realise the commitment required for a bird of prey, it's gonna be hard work but i'm sure it'll be very rewarding as long as folks help me and not piss me off on here for asking

[arcticgun 4,548]

I think part of what Grovesy is trying too say is that if everyone started with a harris hawk because they are easy/cheap, they would soon move onto say a peregrine, goshawk,Redtail, etc more say there bird of choice, therefore leaving loads of harris wasted, never flown to full potential etc, but if said person wanting to get into falconry goes the right route and becomes competent at the job in hand withh mentoring etc then they could take what they really desire as a first bird, hence less wasted Harris Hawks on the market.

[shello 6]

Yea i understand and appreciate that, must be very frustrating for seasoned falconers but i think some of his comments are way too negative towards folks! might be just me but that's they way i see it! I'll be getting my bird in a couple months and hopefully be able to put a thread on here following my and it's progress, hopefully folks will be more positive than negative with their comments! cheers

anyway happy hunting people

[arcticgun 4,548]

good luck too you pal, if and when you decide to get a bird, the learning accelerates ten fold once you have a bird on your arm,

[shello 6]

aye so i hear, i best get my 'working head' on ha ha

really am looking forward to it as both me n the missus have waited a couple of years to get started with falconry and hopefully with the 'few' folks around our area we should be ok.

will start a thread soon showing progress from start of mews build to getting bird etc.

[shello 6]

Hi all my name is matty and im currently studying gamekeeping at bishop burton college .I go ferreting and do a lot of shooting .I amm thinking of getting into falconry , what is an ideal bird to start with and to train.

 

Thanks

Matty

 

good luck mate whatever bird you choose just make sure you learn before you get it

[grovsey 74]

firstly, i aint some twat that just takes up something for fashion (as for others i can't comment), i take things seriously before i commit to them otherwise i'd be a fool, secondly i paid what i paid because i wanted to enjoy a day learning (and i did learn) about birds of prey (yes a weeks course would be better but hey ho) thirdly i live in the countryside (19 years now) and feel i could offer a good life to a bird of prey) as for asking on the net, why not? is it not best to ask first? yea some folks might get the bird first and maybe some do sell cos of other commitments,not me!! as for buying the harris hawk well i'm getting mine from a reliable source and from someone who knows about most birds of prey and someone who is willing to help me, not someone who just seems to want to slate everyone for wanting to learn and ask questions about falconry!! i dare say that if hh's were £2k folks would think twice but don't tell me you've never bought something cos it's 'cheaper than it was last week/year' if you're that bothered about people getting in to falconry i feel sorry for you! it seems to me that most folk on here are helpfull but you give me the impression you really don't like folks getting in to 'your sport'

tough! i'm 48 years old and i realise the commitment required for a bird of prey, it's gonna be hard work but i'm sure it'll be very rewarding as long as folks help me and not piss me off on here for asking

totallty missing the point ,regarding the course i was saying that the people offering them are only after your money and dont give A CRAP about you being the next falconer or they would offer you it for free,what it is to them is buisness and praying on people.

regarding harris hawks u have to look at the amount that are being bred and bought ,the vast majority get a harris for a season or 2 and in that time normally start talking about how much they want a gos next or long wing and soon sell the harris orand get what they wanted in the first place

so as i was saying if you want a gos or eagle in the first place then learn of a falconer and get what you want as i was saying you should get the knowlage in the first place to be able to play any bird

[saxonmaster 74]

any bird u want its all about the quarry u got to go at the time you got to fly ,reason i say any is you should have the knowlage and bird management to fly any .so get a mentor that knows what he is doing and u wont go wrong or do what alot do and just get a harris and then try learning from then on wards

 

What if he cant get a mentor thats near him ?? are you offering to mentor him then mate ? Like he says mate get a harris hawk like the rest of us useless twats and just hope for the best mate thats what we all do.

if he cant find a mentor then dont get a bird i say,am i offering ,no why cos im already mentoring 2 people here ,one in york,and one of here .and ur last quote is very mature

 

I dont think anyone disagrees with you on what your saying its the way you say it. You are always talking down to people and i think your ISSUES should be with breeders not people buying HHs. I think your find a lot of breeders sell to make money and if its fast money then so better and dont give a f**k where that bird is going. So having a dig at (most people who buy a harris hawks and then learn from there) and then after saying that your having a dig at shello for blowing his money on a BOP coarse yet he is doing everything he can to get as much information as he can. So what if he cant get a mentor yeah its better if he can but if he cant you say dont get a bird thats bullshit what you should be saying is buy this book mate or that book, what dvds to buy and watch and if you have any questions mate just PM me and ill help you out as best i can or put up any questions you have on the forum mate there is lots of good lads on here (and there is) who will be willing to help you out, as i thought this is what forums should be for. You obviously know your birds and fair play to you for that but you dont need to make people look stupid all the time why not share your experience and tell them all the pit falls of having a BOP and try to put them off but if they decide to go ahead then help them out not for the persons sake but for the birds sake. And you say all the people that run theses BOP coarses are just in it for the money yeah your probably right no one will do it for nothing why not say that all breeders should all just put HHs prices up no they wont because there making money and want people to buy as many as they can breed, im not saying all breeders are the same but i do think all the decent breeders should put there prices up and if people wont pay that price or there is no money to be made then dont breed then there will be less breeders. As you seem so concerned about the wrong people getting a harris hawk why not use that passion you have and start a pertition or some sort of campain to make it law that you need to have at least a years experience and be able to prove it and then have to apply for a licence like the shot gun licence and they visit your house to see that you have a proper set up and all the right kit to look after a bird and again like a fire arms licence you get a land owner to sign your application to confirm they are willing to let you fly the bird on his land or make breeders have a licence im sure you would get lots of support . Ill be the first to sign just a thought mate use that passion positive instead of being so negitive to new comers