fox control terrier work or shooting

[the_stig 6,614]

around the time of the hunting ban i lost some permission to a couple of shooting lads around the time a lot of farmers / landowners where unsure of the laws regarding terrierwork lads i know in other areas also lost permision ,. yesterday i was talking to a farmer who had shooters on the last couple of years and while they where accounting for high numbers he did`nt think that shooting was as an effective way of fox control compared to when he had terrier lads on ... i know thrs good and bad shooters and terrier lads -- assuming both are done with good management what would you say would be the more efficient ..

[stop.end 4,079]

DEFO TERRIER WORK STIG..... MOST HUMANE METHOD AND AT LEAST OLD VULPUS VULPUS HAS MORE THAN HIS FAIR CHANCES OF GETTING AWAY..... BUT ME PERSONALLY DONT LIKE TO SEE THEM DEAD SO FROM A FARMERS POINT OF VIEW SHOOTERS.... BUT I STILL KNOW FARMERS THAT LIKE TO WALK TO HOLES WITH US AND WATCH THEM DUG

[fat man 4,741]

DEFO TERRIER WORK STIG..... MOST HUMANE METHOD AND AT LEAST OLD VULPUS VULPUS HAS MORE THAN HIS FAIR CHANCES OF GETTING AWAY..... BUT ME PERSONALLY DONT LIKE TO SEE THEM DEAD SO FROM A FARMERS POINT OF VIEW SHOOTERS.... BUT I STILL KNOW FARMERS THAT LIKE TO WALK TO HOLES WITH US AND WATCH THEM DUG

If there geting away its not very efficent from the farmers point of view,but like yourself i like to see some run for another day .

[FightTheBan 1,147]

If you are talking about 'fox control' then imo a combination of terrierwork and shooting as well as other methods is necessary.

Ask the grouse keepers.

 

FTB

[scent 509]

i think myself a good pack of beagles and a pack of good lurchers is best.If there is is a few covers there then most likely they ill be in the cover during the day .Its hard enough the find the fox in the gound on the best of days

[magners 107]

it would'nt be the first i'v let them go and it will not be the last he will be there for someone else

[Squirrel_Basher 17,100]

I definately DONT want to turn this into a slanging match but there is no contest between shooting fox and digging as far as control is concerned .Shooting wins hands down .I both shoot and dig but digging has to said ,is a way of getting those foxes to ground after the pheasant season has ended and the weathers cold.How many of you can honestly say you can guarantee a fox on any one days digging whereas i can guarantee shooting a fox on several nights running until ive had enough .Keep it real and only comment on what you know please .

[.terrier man. 193]

Last season a farmer rang me up saying he had a litter of cubs with a dog and vixen in an earth that he wanted sorted and if id come down, so i arranged to go down on the weekend when i got down he said two gun lads were over yesterday and shot the vixen not far from the earth they were using, and when i checkt the earth you could see they had recently been using it but the dog fox had fuckt off as had the cubs, if the idiots who shot the vixen had left her more than likely i would of had the cubs, vixen and dog fox to ground that morning and disspatched them. Instead the cubs proberly died from starving a few days later and the dog fox was proberly back on his land not long after. To many trigger happy lads with guns about i recon, but controlling foxes buy shooting them has its advantages as does controlling them with terriers imo

[fat man 4,741]

I definately DONT want to turn this into a slanging match but there is no contest between shooting fox and digging as far as control is concerned .Shooting wins hands down .I both shoot and dig but digging has to said ,is a way of getting those foxes to ground after the pheasant season has ended and the weathers cold.How many of you can honestly say you can guarantee a fox on any one days digging whereas i can guarantee shooting a fox on several nights running until ive had enough .Keep it real and only comment on what you know please .

The rifle will account for a lot of fox,but the lads out beating out covers with a few hounds and they covered by lurchers and shotguns will account for even more,i remember doing a bog with a certain gun club a few year ago and 17 fox were accounted for out of that bog and that was just 1 beat.

[the_stig 6,614]

when i was younger fitter and keener -- we could account for big numbers but thr wher`nt so many shooting lads about as thr is now days --fat man -- i`ve known of big numbers flushing with lurchers and terrier to guns ..interesting points foxdropper -- was out last winter and the lads took 8 in a night with guns could take a week to dig 8 the farmer i was talking to was on about overall management of fox control .

[fat man 4,741]

when i was younger fitter and keener -- we could account for big numbers but thr wher`nt so many shooting lads about as thr is now days --fat man -- i`ve known of big numbers flushing with lurchers and terrier to guns ..interesting points foxdropper -- was out last winter and the lads took 8 in a night with guns could take a week to dig 8 the farmer i was talking to was on about overall management of fox control .

For overall management i reckon the guns would win hands down,even good fox lurchers at night could not consistanly take the same amount as the rifle or shotgun,jmho.

[Guest ragumup]

Have to disagree fox dropper , if you find all the breeding vixen over a big area and kill them and cubs at the same time then youv got them before the shooting lads have so more effective

[FightTheBan 1,147]

You need a combination of many techniques for effective control.

Continuous lamping will result in a few lamp shy foxes the the rifle will never get near.

 

FTB

[Bryan 1,362]

Neither can compete with snares.

[LUMPHAMMER 324]

All types would work ,just keep at it