cull or keep?????

[Ideation 8,216]

I guess it all depends on a lot of factors -

 

If you run rabbits, chances of getting a jacker are pretty low to non existant i would think.

 

Fox, pre ban, you will obviously have some that just won't do it or are poor at it, and if that was the dogs purpose then . . . .

 

There is also a difference between culling a dog that has 'jacked' or failed, and culling a dog that has not made the level that you wished in the time you wanted, based upon some internet forum yard stick.

[junior 267]

I guess it all depends on a lot of factors -

 

If you run rabbits, chances of getting a jacker are pretty low to non existant i would think.

 

Fox, pre ban, you will obviously have some that just won't do it or are poor at it, and if that was the dogs purpose then . . . .

 

There is also a difference between culling a dog that has 'jacked' or failed, and culling a dog that has not made the level that you wished in the time you wanted, based upon some internet forum yard stick.

the humble rabbit will jack more dogs than you think.

[bud9 79]

i know its gonna upset a few folk, but it is a serious question...

 

we all know ye only get out what ye put in when it comes to pups, but most also know, that not everydog is gonna make the grade...

 

 

so what happens next????

 

do you cull/rrehome or keep what ye got an make the most of it??????

 

 

dont care how ye cull, or who ye rehome to, not what im asking....

 

 

be honest, have you got jackers in yer kennel, are you happy with them??? or have you replaced a jacker with a dog that gives its best..

 

 

 

atb

Dotty

well mate whats the point of feeding a bad dog when you can feed a good dog but like you say you only get out of a dog what you put into it

[Ideation 8,216]

I guess it all depends on a lot of factors -

 

If you run rabbits, chances of getting a jacker are pretty low to non existant i would think.

 

Fox, pre ban, you will obviously have some that just won't do it or are poor at it, and if that was the dogs purpose then . . . .

 

There is also a difference between culling a dog that has 'jacked' or failed, and culling a dog that has not made the level that you wished in the time you wanted, based upon some internet forum yard stick.

the humble rabbit will jack more dogs than you think.

 

That'd be the owner mate, rather than the rabbit.

 

Lack of fitness, poor bond etc etc.

[junior 267]

I guess it all depends on a lot of factors -

 

If you run rabbits, chances of getting a jacker are pretty low to non existant i would think.

 

Fox, pre ban, you will obviously have some that just won't do it or are poor at it, and if that was the dogs purpose then . . . .

 

There is also a difference between culling a dog that has 'jacked' or failed, and culling a dog that has not made the level that you wished in the time you wanted, based upon some internet forum yard stick.

the humble rabbit will jack more dogs than you think.

 

That'd be the owner mate, rather than the rabbit.

 

Lack of fitness, poor bond etc etc.

f**k off lol lack of commitment from the dog on the cases ive seen.

[asanley 1,009]

Thank god my standards are low , so I,ll never have to make what must be a very difficult decision .

[Bogger 243]

How many of the folks on here that wont cull have bred from there dogs that they know have jacked ran half hearted and failed ? and did ye sell the pups ? how many of ye were completly honest with the folks that bought the pups ill have a guess that all of ye were do any of ye not belive that just maybe the reason theres so much shite out there is because folks breed of dogs that were average and below average but because the dogs were much loved family companions as well as workers there faults were overlooked and because ye wanted a pup outta dear old daisy before she died because she was such a sweet natured animal ye decided to take a litter keep a pup and sell the rest on, and just because ye loved dear old daisy and ye didnt want to hurt her feelings ye told folks that came for a pup she was the best dog ye have ever owned,my feeling is that the reasons above atribute to about 50% of the shite thats out there now the other 50% of the shite just comes from pure peddlars and bullshit artists, my belief is culling is a neccesary part of good stockmanship and should be carried out

question for you then mate what would you call a cull ?? an what would you breed from ?? have you ever bred from any of your dogs ??

well to me a cull is a dog that quite simply cannot or wont do its job for instance if i bred a litter of fox dogs pre-ban say half cross bull/grey or wheaten/grey kept a pup reared it and entered it as i saw fit and the dog refused to tackle a fox point blank then that to me is a cull i wouldnt see the point in keeping it, i bred it for a purpose and for what i wanted and it cant fulfil that task,i wouldnt dream of re-homeing it or passing the buck so to speak,and what would i breed from well to me i would breed the best i had to the best i had or the best i could find to line something that in my opinion did the job i wanted it to and in my eyes to a good standard,and yes i have bred a litter or 2 of lurchers in the past but not many times and i havent for a while the lurchers i have here are to young for breeding and not proved they are worthy of breeding from yet and to be honest the oldest bitch i have here is in my opinion average at best but shes still young and only a second season bitch so only time will tell on that

ok preban lets say you had this dog how many foxs would it have to kill ?? an what if it werent quite fast enough or nimble enough yet it was as game as they come it could slaughter but couldnt catch an really was only any good for drawing what then would you breed it ?? how many foxs that it simply couldnt catch would the dog have to kill before its proved itself ??

i wouldnt set a number you cant set numbers i dont think ,some seasons are better than others you know yourself when the dogs done enough, if a dog does everything you put infront of it and your happy with it i dont see the problem with breeding from it its your own personel preference i think,and if i bred or bought a lurcher with the purpose of catching foxes on the lamp and it couldnt catch its not really much use on the lamp is it ,but i get what your saying if ye had the room for it and the graft with terriers why not it might be useful for breeding in the future to lighter animals to get what ye want,i know if the dog was hard and did the job tugging from a hole i wouldnt cull it, i know if i had a lurcher that was doing the job on the lamp and was useful round a hole and i had no need for a 1 job wonder it would go to somebody i knew and trusted so i had access to it if needed

 

hedz your my hero,i want to be you,except the mullet that is

[Guest sam]

How many of the folks on here that wont cull have bred from there dogs that they know have jacked ran half hearted and failed ? and did ye sell the pups ? how many of ye were completly honest with the folks that bought the pups ill have a guess that all of ye were do any of ye not belive that just maybe the reason theres so much shite out there is because folks breed of dogs that were average and below average but because the dogs were much loved family companions as well as workers there faults were overlooked and because ye wanted a pup outta dear old daisy before she died because she was such a sweet natured animal ye decided to take a litter keep a pup and sell the rest on, and just because ye loved dear old daisy and ye didnt want to hurt her feelings ye told folks that came for a pup she was the best dog ye have ever owned,my feeling is that the reasons above atribute to about 50% of the shite thats out there now the other 50% of the shite just comes from pure peddlars and bullshit artists, my belief is culling is a neccesary part of good stockmanship and should be carried out

question for you then mate what would you call a cull ?? an what would you breed from ?? have you ever bred from any of your dogs ??

well to me a cull is a dog that quite simply cannot or wont do its job for instance if i bred a litter of fox dogs pre-ban say half cross bull/grey or wheaten/grey kept a pup reared it and entered it as i saw fit and the dog refused to tackle a fox point blank then that to me is a cull i wouldnt see the point in keeping it, i bred it for a purpose and for what i wanted and it cant fulfil that task,i wouldnt dream of re-homeing it or passing the buck so to speak,and what would i breed from well to me i would breed the best i had to the best i had or the best i could find to line something that in my opinion did the job i wanted it to and in my eyes to a good standard,and yes i have bred a litter or 2 of lurchers in the past but not many times and i havent for a while the lurchers i have here are to young for breeding and not proved they are worthy of breeding from yet and to be honest the oldest bitch i have here is in my opinion average at best but shes still young and only a second season bitch so only time will tell on that

ok preban lets say you had this dog how many foxs would it have to kill ?? an what if it werent quite fast enough or nimble enough yet it was as game as they come it could slaughter but couldnt catch an really was only any good for drawing what then would you breed it ?? how many foxs that it simply couldnt catch would the dog have to kill before its proved itself ??

i wouldnt set a number you cant set numbers i dont think ,some seasons are better than others you know yourself when the dogs done enough, if a dog does everything you put infront of it and your happy with it i dont see the problem with breeding from it its your own personel preference i think,and if i bred or bought a lurcher with the purpose of catching foxes on the lamp and it couldnt catch its not really much use on the lamp is it ,but i get what your saying if ye had the room for it and the graft with terriers why not it might be useful for breeding in the future to lighter animals to get what ye want,i know if the dog was hard and did the job tugging from a hole i wouldnt cull it, i know if i had a lurcher that was doing the job on the lamp and was useful round a hole and i had no need for a 1 job wonder it would go to somebody i knew and trusted so i had access to it if needed

 

hedz your my hero,i want to be you,except the mullet that is

 

hes my hero to,i would bare hes child

[junior 267]

How many of the folks on here that wont cull have bred from there dogs that they know have jacked ran half hearted and failed ? and did ye sell the pups ? how many of ye were completly honest with the folks that bought the pups ill have a guess that all of ye were do any of ye not belive that just maybe the reason theres so much shite out there is because folks breed of dogs that were average and below average but because the dogs were much loved family companions as well as workers there faults were overlooked and because ye wanted a pup outta dear old daisy before she died because she was such a sweet natured animal ye decided to take a litter keep a pup and sell the rest on, and just because ye loved dear old daisy and ye didnt want to hurt her feelings ye told folks that came for a pup she was the best dog ye have ever owned,my feeling is that the reasons above atribute to about 50% of the shite thats out there now the other 50% of the shite just comes from pure peddlars and bullshit artists, my belief is culling is a neccesary part of good stockmanship and should be carried out

question for you then mate what would you call a cull ?? an what would you breed from ?? have you ever bred from any of your dogs ??

well to me a cull is a dog that quite simply cannot or wont do its job for instance if i bred a litter of fox dogs pre-ban say half cross bull/grey or wheaten/grey kept a pup reared it and entered it as i saw fit and the dog refused to tackle a fox point blank then that to me is a cull i wouldnt see the point in keeping it, i bred it for a purpose and for what i wanted and it cant fulfil that task,i wouldnt dream of re-homeing it or passing the buck so to speak,and what would i breed from well to me i would breed the best i had to the best i had or the best i could find to line something that in my opinion did the job i wanted it to and in my eyes to a good standard,and yes i have bred a litter or 2 of lurchers in the past but not many times and i havent for a while the lurchers i have here are to young for breeding and not proved they are worthy of breeding from yet and to be honest the oldest bitch i have here is in my opinion average at best but shes still young and only a second season bitch so only time will tell on that

ok preban lets say you had this dog how many foxs would it have to kill ?? an what if it werent quite fast enough or nimble enough yet it was as game as they come it could slaughter but couldnt catch an really was only any good for drawing what then would you breed it ?? how many foxs that it simply couldnt catch would the dog have to kill before its proved itself ??

i wouldnt set a number you cant set numbers i dont think ,some seasons are better than others you know yourself when the dogs done enough, if a dog does everything you put infront of it and your happy with it i dont see the problem with breeding from it its your own personel preference i think,and if i bred or bought a lurcher with the purpose of catching foxes on the lamp and it couldnt catch its not really much use on the lamp is it ,but i get what your saying if ye had the room for it and the graft with terriers why not it might be useful for breeding in the future to lighter animals to get what ye want,i know if the dog was hard and did the job tugging from a hole i wouldnt cull it, i know if i had a lurcher that was doing the job on the lamp and was useful round a hole and i had no need for a 1 job wonder it would go to somebody i knew and trusted so i had access to it if needed

 

hedz your my hero,i want to be you,except the mullet that is

 

hes my hero to,i would bare hes child

you get worse samuel

[Ideation 8,216]

I guess it all depends on a lot of factors -

 

If you run rabbits, chances of getting a jacker are pretty low to non existant i would think.

 

Fox, pre ban, you will obviously have some that just won't do it or are poor at it, and if that was the dogs purpose then . . . .

 

There is also a difference between culling a dog that has 'jacked' or failed, and culling a dog that has not made the level that you wished in the time you wanted, based upon some internet forum yard stick.

the humble rabbit will jack more dogs than you think.

 

That'd be the owner mate, rather than the rabbit.

 

Lack of fitness, poor bond etc etc.

f**k off lol lack of commitment from the dog on the cases ive seen.

 

Any real reason to be rude? Or are you 14 and it's par for the course?

 

How many decent lurchers will 'jack' as in, refuse to run or tackle rabbits?

 

And in comparisson, how many will refuse to tackle a fox or deer (pre ban) ?

 

I feel, that if they will not run bunnys, but have been, then it is probably down to lack of fitness, an unseen injury, or poor entering etc. The number of lurchers that will point blank refuse to ever run one, must be low.

 

Remember we are talking 'jacking', not, just being a bit average.

 

Now, when you reply, try to do so without telling me to 'f**k off' . . . . i know it's hard, but with practice you might get there one day.

[hedz31 1,308]

How many of the folks on here that wont cull have bred from there dogs that they know have jacked ran half hearted and failed ? and did ye sell the pups ? how many of ye were completly honest with the folks that bought the pups ill have a guess that all of ye were do any of ye not belive that just maybe the reason theres so much shite out there is because folks breed of dogs that were average and below average but because the dogs were much loved family companions as well as workers there faults were overlooked and because ye wanted a pup outta dear old daisy before she died because she was such a sweet natured animal ye decided to take a litter keep a pup and sell the rest on, and just because ye loved dear old daisy and ye didnt want to hurt her feelings ye told folks that came for a pup she was the best dog ye have ever owned,my feeling is that the reasons above atribute to about 50% of the shite thats out there now the other 50% of the shite just comes from pure peddlars and bullshit artists, my belief is culling is a neccesary part of good stockmanship and should be carried out

question for you then mate what would you call a cull ?? an what would you breed from ?? have you ever bred from any of your dogs ??

well to me a cull is a dog that quite simply cannot or wont do its job for instance if i bred a litter of fox dogs pre-ban say half cross bull/grey or wheaten/grey kept a pup reared it and entered it as i saw fit and the dog refused to tackle a fox point blank then that to me is a cull i wouldnt see the point in keeping it, i bred it for a purpose and for what i wanted and it cant fulfil that task,i wouldnt dream of re-homeing it or passing the buck so to speak,and what would i breed from well to me i would breed the best i had to the best i had or the best i could find to line something that in my opinion did the job i wanted it to and in my eyes to a good standard,and yes i have bred a litter or 2 of lurchers in the past but not many times and i havent for a while the lurchers i have here are to young for breeding and not proved they are worthy of breeding from yet and to be honest the oldest bitch i have here is in my opinion average at best but shes still young and only a second season bitch so only time will tell on that

ok preban lets say you had this dog how many foxs would it have to kill ?? an what if it werent quite fast enough or nimble enough yet it was as game as they come it could slaughter but couldnt catch an really was only any good for drawing what then would you breed it ?? how many foxs that it simply couldnt catch would the dog have to kill before its proved itself ??

i wouldnt set a number you cant set numbers i dont think ,some seasons are better than others you know yourself when the dogs done enough, if a dog does everything you put infront of it and your happy with it i dont see the problem with breeding from it its your own personel preference i think,and if i bred or bought a lurcher with the purpose of catching foxes on the lamp and it couldnt catch its not really much use on the lamp is it ,but i get what your saying if ye had the room for it and the graft with terriers why not it might be useful for breeding in the future to lighter animals to get what ye want,i know if the dog was hard and did the job tugging from a hole i wouldnt cull it, i know if i had a lurcher that was doing the job on the lamp and was useful round a hole and i had no need for a 1 job wonder it would go to somebody i knew and trusted so i had access to it if needed

 

hedz your my hero,i want to be you,except the mullet that is

 

hes my hero to,i would bare hes child

Filthy old man

[DottyDoo 500]

I guess it all depends on a lot of factors -

 

If you run rabbits, chances of getting a jacker are pretty low to non existant i would think.

 

Fox, pre ban, you will obviously have some that just won't do it or are poor at it, and if that was the dogs purpose then . . . .

 

There is also a difference between culling a dog that has 'jacked' or failed, and culling a dog that has not made the level that you wished in the time you wanted, based upon some internet forum yard stick.

the humble rabbit will jack more dogs than you think.

 

That'd be the owner mate, rather than the rabbit.

 

Lack of fitness, poor bond etc etc.

f**k off lol lack of commitment from the dog on the cases ive seen.

 

Any real reason to be rude? Or are you 14 and it's par for the course?

 

How many decent lurchers will 'jack' as in, refuse to run or tackle rabbits?

 

And in comparisson, how many will refuse to tackle a fox or deer (pre ban) ?

 

I feel, that if they will not run bunnys, but have been, then it is probably down to lack of fitness, an unseen injury, or poor entering etc. The number of lurchers that will point blank refuse to ever run one, must be low.

 

Remember we are talking 'jacking', not, just being a bit average.

 

Now, when you reply, try to do so without telling me to 'f**k off' . . . . i know it's hard, but with practice you might get there one day.

 

 

i run a lot a rabbits, an i have seen a good few dogs, without injury or bad entering or upbringing just jack/spew call it what ye will

 

it take a special dog to keep going even after its had 20/30/40 these wee bunnys that everybody underestimates can an do test lurchers

[hedz31 1,308]

How many of the folks on here that wont cull have bred from there dogs that they know have jacked ran half hearted and failed ? and did ye sell the pups ? how many of ye were completly honest with the folks that bought the pups ill have a guess that all of ye were do any of ye not belive that just maybe the reason theres so much shite out there is because folks breed of dogs that were average and below average but because the dogs were much loved family companions as well as workers there faults were overlooked and because ye wanted a pup outta dear old daisy before she died because she was such a sweet natured animal ye decided to take a litter keep a pup and sell the rest on, and just because ye loved dear old daisy and ye didnt want to hurt her feelings ye told folks that came for a pup she was the best dog ye have ever owned,my feeling is that the reasons above atribute to about 50% of the shite thats out there now the other 50% of the shite just comes from pure peddlars and bullshit artists, my belief is culling is a neccesary part of good stockmanship and should be carried out

question for you then mate what would you call a cull ?? an what would you breed from ?? have you ever bred from any of your dogs ??

well to me a cull is a dog that quite simply cannot or wont do its job for instance if i bred a litter of fox dogs pre-ban say half cross bull/grey or wheaten/grey kept a pup reared it and entered it as i saw fit and the dog refused to tackle a fox point blank then that to me is a cull i wouldnt see the point in keeping it, i bred it for a purpose and for what i wanted and it cant fulfil that task,i wouldnt dream of re-homeing it or passing the buck so to speak,and what would i breed from well to me i would breed the best i had to the best i had or the best i could find to line something that in my opinion did the job i wanted it to and in my eyes to a good standard,and yes i have bred a litter or 2 of lurchers in the past but not many times and i havent for a while the lurchers i have here are to young for breeding and not proved they are worthy of breeding from yet and to be honest the oldest bitch i have here is in my opinion average at best but shes still young and only a second season bitch so only time will tell on that

ok preban lets say you had this dog how many foxs would it have to kill ?? an what if it werent quite fast enough or nimble enough yet it was as game as they come it could slaughter but couldnt catch an really was only any good for drawing what then would you breed it ?? how many foxs that it simply couldnt catch would the dog have to kill before its proved itself ??

i wouldnt set a number you cant set numbers i dont think ,some seasons are better than others you know yourself when the dogs done enough, if a dog does everything you put infront of it and your happy with it i dont see the problem with breeding from it its your own personel preference i think,and if i bred or bought a lurcher with the purpose of catching foxes on the lamp and it couldnt catch its not really much use on the lamp is it ,but i get what your saying if ye had the room for it and the graft with terriers why not it might be useful for breeding in the future to lighter animals to get what ye want,i know if the dog was hard and did the job tugging from a hole i wouldnt cull it, i know if i had a lurcher that was doing the job on the lamp and was useful round a hole and i had no need for a 1 job wonder it would go to somebody i knew and trusted so i had access to it if needed

 

hedz your my hero,i want to be you,except the mullet that is

nothing wrong with my pat sharpe hair cut are ye still sporting a ginger gazza haircut from the 90s

[artic 595]

You lot are really obsessed with hair

[Born Hunter 17,751]

 

Any real reason to be rude? Or are you 14 and it's par for the course?

 

How many decent lurchers will 'jack' as in, refuse to run or tackle rabbits?

 

And in comparisson, how many will refuse to tackle a fox or deer (pre ban) ?

 

I feel, that if they will not run bunnys, but have been, then it is probably down to lack of fitness, an unseen injury, or poor entering etc. The number of lurchers that will point blank refuse to ever run one, must be low.

 

Remember we are talking 'jacking', not, just being a bit average.

 

Now, when you reply, try to do so without telling me to 'f**k off' . . . . i know it's hard, but with practice you might get there one day.

 

There are plenty of dogs out there that even brought up well dont work how the owner wants. By that I mean pulling up at hedges, running half hearted on rabbits it doesnt think it can catch etc etc. If a dog exhibits traits which the owner doesnt like then to many that is a cull.

 

There seems to be this belief that just becasue a dog chases and catches rabbits it has made the grade as a rabbit dog.....