Angry Farmers?

[Lab 10,979]

Of all the threads on this site then the farmer/ keeper against running dog lads is the worst. If you are going where you shouldn't then be quiet about it and be respectful. Lets not pretend that farmers/keepers like getting out there bed to go chase poachers dogs about the countryside and shoot them. Yes it happens.....some cases wrong but in some cases its right. If you feel like you've been hard done by then get the shirt aff and get it sorted and forget about it.

Going back setting fires, killing livestock, damaging and stealing machinery gets you know where.

A man losing there business, livelyhood can be a very dangerous man.........

[artic 595]

Farmers have a living to earn just like most of us do. Seeing people day in day out driving over, and walking over your bread and butter is not good, wheather the land is owned or leased. It doesn't give you the right to do so.

 

One of the estates I have permission on had problems with poachers driving on the land running hares and foxes. The farmer is the nicest chap you could ever meet. A true family man. He had to gate every single entrance to his land because of the troubles he was getting from poachers. £15,000 approx it cost him to do this. And as you can imagine his attitude towards people with lurchers was very He would not allow his young children out to play because he was in fear of something happening to them!

Thank you poachers!

 

2yrs down the line, no more trouble, and I have shown him that we are not all disrespectful people with these dogs, and he now enjoys a good night out on the lamp.

 

That is just one example of thousands of farmers who are trying to earn a crumb and live a peaceful life on the land. Now have a little think why people get turned away when they ask for permission, why your letters do not get any responses, and why we as men and woman who keep these types of dogs get a real hammering by the press.

 

It's not fair for the genuine law abiding people who would love a small piece of land to work their dogs, ferrets etc.

 

Just remember, communities are very important, they stick together and can make lots of noises to the right people.

 

[unlacedgecko 1,466]

Farmers definately shoot dogs, seen a farmer Mr C at Pigdon Northumberland shoot a dog with a 243, the dog ran around the field for ages with its bottom jaw hanging off, before another shot finished it off, a gamekeeper also from Northumberland Cristen Bank near Seahouses Mr DB shot double figures of dogs, and a lad Mr A in Bedlington Northumberland got shot in the leg with a .22 rim fire while out on the land with his dog, and the farmer got off with it..in this country the more money you have the more justice you get, and farmers usually have a lot more in their bank accounts than Mr Lurcherlad..taking a farmer to court and being successful because he has shot your dog is an impossibility

 

Northumberland is mainly a livestock farming region. If you have a dog in a field with livestock in it, which is not under close control, the farmer is legally entitled to shoot your dog, if it is worrying stock or the farmer believes it is about to start stock worrying. A dog running through a flock of in lamb ewes can cause abortions.

 

People bang on about farmers having lots of money. They work f*****g hard for it. They have the buisness nouse and determination to make it work. It isn't all plain sailing. Huge numbers of farmers go out of buisness every year (mainly small livestock farmers). Morons with dogs damaging fences, hedges, crops, stock and machinery sure doesn't help.

 

Of course farmers have 4x4s and tractors. How else do you expect them to farm the land?

 

Most scrap yards have large machines and several vehicles. Doesn't automatically mean that all scrap yard owners are millionaires does it?

 

If you get caught where you are not supposed to be, you need to be prepared to suffer the consequences. As has been said, if you destroy things afterwards you are destroying a man's life. A man with nothing to lose is extremely dangerous. So is a man pushed to the end of his tether. If you need an example just look up Tony Martin;

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Martin_(farmer)

[Richie10 345]

Farmers definately shoot dogs, seen a farmer Mr C at Pigdon Northumberland shoot a dog with a 243, the dog ran around the field for ages with its bottom jaw hanging off, before another shot finished it off, a gamekeeper also from Northumberland Cristen Bank near Seahouses Mr DB shot double figures of dogs, and a lad Mr A in Bedlington Northumberland got shot in the leg with a .22 rim fire while out on the land with his dog, and the farmer got off with it..in this country the more money you have the more justice you get, and farmers usually have a lot more in their bank accounts than Mr Lurcherlad..taking a farmer to court and being successful because he has shot your dog is an impossibility

 

Northumberland is mainly a livestock farming region. If you have a dog in a field with livestock in it, which is not under close control, the farmer is legally entitled to shoot your dog, if it is worrying stock or the farmer believes it is about to start stock worrying. A dog running through a flock of in lamb ewes can cause abortions.

 

People bang on about farmers having lots of money. They work f*****g hard for it. They have the buisness nouse and determination to make it work. It isn't all plain sailing. Huge numbers of farmers go out of buisness every year (mainly small livestock farmers). Morons with dogs damaging fences, hedges, crops, stock and machinery sure doesn't help.

 

Of course farmers have 4x4s and tractors. How else do you expect them to farm the land?

 

Most scrap yards have large machines and several vehicles. Doesn't automatically mean that all scrap yard owners are millionaires does it?

 

If you get caught where you are not supposed to be, you need to be prepared to suffer the consequences. As has been said, if you destroy things afterwards you are destroying a man's life. A man with nothing to lose is extremely dangerous. So is a man pushed to the end of his tether. If you need an example just look up Tony Martin;

 

http://en.wikipedia...._Martin_(farmer)

 

Tony Martin had his house robbed, they were inside his house at the time when he shot the guy, can't compare that to walking a stubble field after some rabbits.

[f mac 40]

40 heifers let out on to the main road.... Resulting in 2 that had to be shot.... Pigeon shooters coming on and flattening the wheat so they can put there decoys on... Sheep fence bent down because they couldn't be arsed walking 20 yards down to the gate....leverets run and left in the fields .... Cubs left on the stubble for all to see... Lamps shining at the house and frightening the kids... Kids building fires in the woods and leaving broken beer bottles where stock can walk on them ..cartridges left out for the cows too munch on including the plastic wads...that is week in and week out... And you wonder why they get mad !!!! We now have a good group of travelling lads come... Polite and well mannered and have there own way of policing the land :-)

fair enough but all u done is give permission to a group of mercinarys to use and police the land

[unlacedgecko 1,466]

Farmers definately shoot dogs, seen a farmer Mr C at Pigdon Northumberland shoot a dog with a 243, the dog ran around the field for ages with its bottom jaw hanging off, before another shot finished it off, a gamekeeper also from Northumberland Cristen Bank near Seahouses Mr DB shot double figures of dogs, and a lad Mr A in Bedlington Northumberland got shot in the leg with a .22 rim fire while out on the land with his dog, and the farmer got off with it..in this country the more money you have the more justice you get, and farmers usually have a lot more in their bank accounts than Mr Lurcherlad..taking a farmer to court and being successful because he has shot your dog is an impossibility

 

Northumberland is mainly a livestock farming region. If you have a dog in a field with livestock in it, which is not under close control, the farmer is legally entitled to shoot your dog, if it is worrying stock or the farmer believes it is about to start stock worrying. A dog running through a flock of in lamb ewes can cause abortions.

 

People bang on about farmers having lots of money. They work f*****g hard for it. They have the buisness nouse and determination to make it work. It isn't all plain sailing. Huge numbers of farmers go out of buisness every year (mainly small livestock farmers). Morons with dogs damaging fences, hedges, crops, stock and machinery sure doesn't help.

 

Of course farmers have 4x4s and tractors. How else do you expect them to farm the land?

 

Most scrap yards have large machines and several vehicles. Doesn't automatically mean that all scrap yard owners are millionaires does it?

 

If you get caught where you are not supposed to be, you need to be prepared to suffer the consequences. As has been said, if you destroy things afterwards you are destroying a man's life. A man with nothing to lose is extremely dangerous. So is a man pushed to the end of his tether. If you need an example just look up Tony Martin;

 

http://en.wikipedia...._Martin_(farmer)

 

Tony Martin had his house robbed, they were inside his house at the time when he shot the guy, can't compare that to walking a stubble field after some rabbits.

 

 

You misunderstand my point. Im not comparing burglers to people walking stubble chasing rabbits. Many responses on this thread have been from people saying that they would damage fences, machinery, kill livestock etc to make a farmers life miserable. I am trying (badly!) to use Tony Martin to illustrate the desperate actions some people will commit when they are driven to the end of their tether.

[lapin2008 1,587]

Of all the threads on this site then the farmer/ keeper against running dog lads is the worst. If you are going where you shouldn't then be quiet about it and be respectful. Lets not pretend that farmers/keepers like getting out there bed to go chase poachers dogs about the countryside and shoot them. Yes it happens.....some cases wrong but in some cases its right. If you feel like you've been hard done by then get the shirt aff and get it sorted and forget about it.

Going back setting fires, killing livestock, damaging and stealing machinery gets you know where.

A man losing there business, livelyhood can be a very dangerous man.........

These type of thread do my head in, I know a good few farmers and yes a couple are well off but most do other jobs on top of the farming to keep things together and basically never stop working.

[Richie10 345]

Of all the threads on this site then the farmer/ keeper against running dog lads is the worst. If you are going where you shouldn't then be quiet about it and be respectful. Lets not pretend that farmers/keepers like getting out there bed to go chase poachers dogs about the countryside and shoot them. Yes it happens.....some cases wrong but in some cases its right. If you feel like you've been hard done by then get the shirt aff and get it sorted and forget about it.

Going back setting fires, killing livestock, damaging and stealing machinery gets you know where.

A man losing there business, livelyhood can be a very dangerous man.........

These type of thread do my head in, I know a good few farmers and yes a couple are well off but most do other jobs on top of the farming to keep things together and basically never stop working.

 

There was a farmer who sold a piece of land with a barn conversion and picked up a very tidy sum for it, he then was doing labouring jobs on other farms even though he had a enough to live comfortably. This chap had no concept of money.

 

Anyway, you should respect other peoples property, the only thing there is not enough farmers out there to give people a chance, why would they when shooting people would give them money to shoot pigeons and vermin on their land.

[blan89 159]

if someone unjustifiably shoots your dog the gloves are off as they say, an eye for an eye is minimal.

 

 

but maybe i live in a good area because i just get told to f@ck off, i'll even offer to show them what i've caught so they know i haven't been after pheasants, never been threatened or had my dogs threatened.

[lapin2008 1,587]

Of all the threads on this site then the farmer/ keeper against running dog lads is the worst. If you are going where you shouldn't then be quiet about it and be respectful. Lets not pretend that farmers/keepers like getting out there bed to go chase poachers dogs about the countryside and shoot them. Yes it happens.....some cases wrong but in some cases its right. If you feel like you've been hard done by then get the shirt aff and get it sorted and forget about it.

Going back setting fires, killing livestock, damaging and stealing machinery gets you know where.

A man losing there business, livelyhood can be a very dangerous man.........

These type of thread do my head in, I know a good few farmers and yes a couple are well off but most do other jobs on top of the farming to keep things together and basically never stop working.

 

There was a farmer who sold a piece of land with a barn conversion and picked up a very tidy sum for it, he then was doing labouring jobs on other farms even though he had a enough to live comfortably. This chap had no concept of money.

 

Anyway, you should respect other peoples property, the only thing there is not enough farmers out there to give people a chance, why would they when shooting people would give them money to shoot pigeons and vermin on their land.

 

yes some do OK out of it, are we really saying though that because someone works hard and does well its ok for people f**k them over?

 

Its like if someone works as a chef. Is it OK for me to come into their kitchen and have a shit on the food preparation area? NO. How about if that chef is really good at what they do, worked very hard for 20 odd years, bought their own place and as a result gets paid well. Is it still unacceptable to take a shit on their work surface? Judging by some of the responses on this thread the answer seems to be yes.

 

Regarding farmers giving people a chance, depends where you are in the country. If you are somewhere that gets driven over 3 times a week, on a farm where they have had stuff robbed on a regular basis and the farmer gets asked for permission on a regular basis then the chances are likely to be slim. Other places which dont have the same problems it is relatively easy.

 

I have asked for permission, over the years on many occasions and even as a really young kid only been refused permission once (that i remember). But then again I dont carry around the same attitude as some on this thread which says 'because you are successful you deserve to have people making life difficult for you'

 

Not all directed at you mate

Edited September 8, 2011 by lapin2008

[danw 1,748]

If some prick shoots your dog for no good reason then f*****g man up and sort him out rather than sneaking round like a coward burning straw and smashing stuff

[blan89 159]

If some prick shoots your dog for no good reason then f*****g man up and sort him out rather than sneaking round like a coward burning straw and smashing stuff

just walk over to an armed man and snooze him?

 

thats not enough anyway imo shooting a dog for no good reason deserves worse than a beating.

[scothunter 12,609]

If some prick shoots your dog for no good reason then f*****g man up and sort him out rather than sneaking round like a coward burning straw and smashing stuff

just walk over to an armed man and snooze him?

 

thats not enough anyway imo shooting a dog for no good reason deserves worse than a beating.

 

i think you would regret that, after the first year in a wee cell.

[Richie10 345]

I never said we should flip anyone over, I wouldn't do it to my neighbour.

 

If I had a apple tree in my garden and I didn't do anything with it, didn't harvest it and didn't bother looking after it, just the pear trees around it which made me money, would I be bothered it my neighbour reached over the fence and took some apples which I would have let fall to the ground. No I wouldn't. If he started cutting off branches then I would.

Same thing, not doing any harm to something that just gets in the way anyway without touching the thing that I make money from.

 

One farmer was telling me that they saw some coursers on his stubble, running a hare. So he tried to run them down even though they were leaving the land after being seen, he couldn't tell me the reason why, I said why put yourself up against the 3 guys and put yourself in conflict. He believed they were betting on the dogs. I think it's the fact that they do believe its their land and they don't want anyone on it. As a kid we could walk over land and not get any hassle nowadays farmers are more possesive.

Just listen to farmers moaning about public footpaths, if it was upto them noone would come into the countryside except the close knit group of farmers.

If people didn't carry on doing the 'illegal' things like hare coursing it will be lost forever and it will be pointless trying to overturn the ban.

 

Actually lets all fall in line and keep the dogs as pets and go to work and come home and watch TV.

Keep paying taxes in a country where you can't do what you love and wait to die.

[blan89 159]

If some prick shoots your dog for no good reason then f*****g man up and sort him out rather than sneaking round like a coward burning straw and smashing stuff

just walk over to an armed man and snooze him?

 

thats not enough anyway imo shooting a dog for no good reason deserves worse than a beating.

 

i think you would regret that, after the first year in a wee cell.

could you look yourself in the mirror if you just walked away?

 

or would you walk over and try and knock an armed man out?