Angry Farmers?

[Lab 10,979]

There is good and bad in every proffesion, dogs taking game for there owners unlawfully is not a death sentance any farmer, land owner, keeper etc etc who shoots dogs for this reason is scum.

What a load of f*****g bollocks!!!

 

Whats bollocks about it? do you condone shooting dogs for running game?

because if you do your also scum

 

If a dogs is worrying stock they have a case other than that they dont.

No i dont think shooting a dog for running game is right but if there worrying sheep then its your f*****g fault and not the dogs.

 

I should re-read his post lab because he didnt say anything about livestock and infact explicitly stated game...

Chasing game through fields of pregnant ewes can be just as much damage.

 

Very true, but thats classed as stock worrying and isnt a simple case of just taking game.

And this is the problem the land owner has isn't it. 1 guy doing a bit of poaching, opening gates, careful of not disturbing crops and generally being respectful of the land and the other 'poacher' crashing through gates, worrying livestock, driving over crops and generally being a c**t. When he sees a dog what is he to do........leave it and hope they go away , contact the police who will do nothing or take matters into his own hands. Nobody is saying it is fair on the dog but when you put the dog in those situations you cant very well go crying when it goes tits up!!!

[Lab 10,979]

Lab-tastic you should read posts properly before posting. No one mentioned running dogs threw fields of ewes your trying to justify putting your foot in your mouth

No i'm not i'm giving you scenarios.....you said any farmer that shoots a dog is scum?....Feel free to correct me where i've went wrong......

 

I think you will find I said "shooting dogs for running game are scum" You should learn to read

If you wrote "running game only and not bothering any livestock" then i would have agreed with you. I gave you a scenario where i think a farmer would not be labelled as scum.....you cant see that....not my problem...

[Richie10 345]

I never said we should flip anyone over, I wouldn't do it to my neighbour.

 

If I had a apple tree in my garden and I didn't do anything with it, didn't harvest it and didn't bother looking after it, just the pear trees around it which made me money, would I be bothered it my neighbour reached over the fence and took some apples which I would have let fall to the ground. No I wouldn't. If he started cutting off branches then I would.

Same thing, not doing any harm to something that just gets in the way anyway without touching the thing that I make money from.

 

One farmer was telling me that they saw some coursers on his stubble, running a hare. So he tried to run them down even though they were leaving the land after being seen, he couldn't tell me the reason why, I said why put yourself up against the 3 guys and put yourself in conflict. He believed they were betting on the dogs. I think it's the fact that they do believe its their land and they don't want anyone on it. As a kid we could walk over land and not get any hassle nowadays farmers are more possesive.

Just listen to farmers moaning about public footpaths, if it was upto them noone would come into the countryside except the close knit group of farmers.

If people didn't carry on doing the 'illegal' things like hare coursing it will be lost forever and it will be pointless trying to overturn the ban.

 

Actually lets all fall in line and keep the dogs as pets and go to work and come home and watch TV.

Keep paying taxes in a country where you can't do what you love and wait to die.

 

I quoted you because you were the last one in the thread not because i thought anything you had said was particular outrageous.

 

Using your example of the apple tree I accept that that would not cause a problem to most reasonable people. And in most instances in that scenario if the neighbor had knocked on my door and asked if I minded them picking the apples I would say yes. But if I woke up in the middle of the night to find that my neighbor had driven a 4X4 through my fence to get at my apples the reception would be slightly different.

 

Same applies for the footpaths, there are of course exceptions with farmers as with anyone and some will always be c**ts.. nature of humanity. But most of the beef with footpaths will be around people leaving gates open dropping litter and causing a nuisance rather then someone walking over the land on the bits they are allowed to be on.

 

In what I was saying I wasnt saying it was OK for anyone to shoot a dog for no reason... obviously! And if my dogs ran into stubble field with nothing in it and got shot I would be fuming but the flip side of it is if my dogs took off after a sheep or grabbed hold of one that's a different matter.

 

No one is saying anything about falling in line and not working dogs and am sure even the most 'holier then thou' on here jump a fence or two every now and then but there are ways about going about stuff that can make hunting without permission virtually acceptable in the eyes of the land owners.

 

Totally agree, I don't poach but I don't see why only a select people can use the countryside, which has been more prevalent after the ban.

Shooters being legal can easily push people out of their permission with money.

I do shoot though.

[Bogger 243]

if i had to keep getting out of my bed or coming away from my family to see to you poaching josy, id plug your dog no bother, after all its just a job, keepers/farmers have lives aswell

[scothunter 12,609]

thats where i disagree and would defo seek retribution.shooting a dog for poaching some bunnies or the odd hare,does not warrant that dog being shot.chasing livestock like i said he has every right to do it.and i wouldnt hold the man a grudge.

[Guest Josy]

 

If you wrote "running game only and not bothering any livestock" then i would have agreed with you. I gave you a scenario where i think a farmer would not be labelled as scum.....you cant see that....not my problem...

 

Thats exactly what I did write and you said it was bollocks, have a look.

 

You gave the scenario when you realized you had made yourself look a fool.

[Richie10 345]

If your dog bothers livestock expect it to be shot or you will just be stuck with a hefty bill.

Running about on a arable field then take them to court.

[Guest Josy]

if i had to keep getting out of my bed or coming away from my family to see to you poaching josy, id plug your dog no bother, after all its just a job, keepers/farmers have lives aswell

 

You idiot.

[Born Hunter 17,775]

And this is the problem the land owner has isn't it. 1 guy doing a bit of poaching, opening gates, careful of not disturbing crops and generally being respectful of the land and the other 'poacher' crashing through gates, worrying livestock, driving over crops and generally being a c**t. When he sees a dog what is he to do........leave it and hope they go away , contact the police who will do nothing or take matters into his own hands. Nobody is saying it is fair on the dog but when you put the dog in those situations you cant very well go crying when it goes tits up!!!

 

Your right lab, theres poachers and then theres poachers. Personally I much prefer permission but lets face it, it aint easily come by and sometimes some places are just too good to not chance. Its a vicious circle for dog men!

 

But shooting a mans dog who is doing no harm but running a hare or lamping rabbits or whatever is down right low and shitty. I can understand why some landowners do it but certainly dont agree with it. Its like someone getting their shed broken into all the time and then getting so worked up that when he catches a young lad pinching a plum off his tree he goes outside with a bar and batters the poor bugger!

 

I wont ever agree that shooting a mans dog is right even if the owner is a c**t and especially not if hes a respectfull sort after a rabbit/hare. Its cowardly and will bring a whole world of shit.

[Lab 10,979]

 

If you wrote "running game only and not bothering any livestock" then i would have agreed with you. I gave you a scenario where i think a farmer would not be labelled as scum.....you cant see that....not my problem...

 

Thats exactly what I did write and you said it was bollocks, have a look.

 

You gave the scenario when you realized you had made yourself look a fool.

Yes i'm the fool here................go and read post 96....you wrote the f*****g thing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Bogger 243]

if i had to keep getting out of my bed or coming away from my family to see to you poaching josy, id plug your dog no bother, after all its just a job, keepers/farmers have lives aswell

 

You idiot.

 

idiot but its how i see it youd do well to leave without a kicking aswell with the gob on you

[Lab 10,979]

And this is the problem the land owner has isn't it. 1 guy doing a bit of poaching, opening gates, careful of not disturbing crops and generally being respectful of the land and the other 'poacher' crashing through gates, worrying livestock, driving over crops and generally being a c**t. When he sees a dog what is he to do........leave it and hope they go away , contact the police who will do nothing or take matters into his own hands. Nobody is saying it is fair on the dog but when you put the dog in those situations you cant very well go crying when it goes tits up!!!

 

Your right lab, theres poachers and then theres poachers. Personally I much prefer permission but lets face it, it aint easily come by and sometimes some places are just too good to not chance. Its a vicious circle for dog men!

 

But shooting a mans dog who is doing no harm but running a hare or lamping rabbits or whatever is down right low and shitty. I can understand why some landowners do it but certainly dont agree with it. Its like someone getting their shed broken into all the time and then getting so worked up that when he catches a young lad pinching a plum off his tree he goes outside with a bar and batters the poor bugger!

 

I wont ever agree that shooting a mans dog is right even if the owner is a c**t and especially not if hes a respectfull sort after a rabbit/hare. Its cowardly and will bring a whole world of shit.

Great paragraph that mate and exactly what i was getting at. How many times have you read on here somebody was just walking there dog and got a bollocking but i'll bet 9 times out of 10 the farmer has had it up to the eyeballs with folk leaving gates open and trashing fences.

[Born Hunter 17,775]

Bogger, Im no hard man and if you came out to f**k me off I would be on my way but I would like to see you take that attitude with some lads that poach. You know as well as I do you would be left by your landy in a pool of your own piss, blood and shit!

 

No need for any hard man talk on these threads by either party, so lets leave it to the kids in the playground.

[Bogger 243]

lab your wasting your time pal theyve got it into there heads landowners are the enermy just live out there fantasy for them

[scothunter 12,609]

if i had to keep getting out of my bed or coming away from my family to see to you poaching josy, id plug your dog no bother, after all its just a job, keepers/farmers have lives aswell

 

You idiot.

 

idiot but its how i see it youd do well to leave without a kicking aswell with the gob on you

 

they might give them a kicking though bogger.thats the thing about meeting strangers in a dark night in some wood or field.you never know who you are meeting.best thing is establish exactly what they are doing,and if its nothing that is affecting your major lively hood,prob best just to tell them to move on or if your inclined call the police or take down thier number if they have a vehicle.this bullshit of threatining to give them a hiding,seldom works out the way you visage,on both parties involved.