Calling Dogs Off Quarry?

[Simoman 110]

Calling off I am sure it can be done, and the lack of commitment argument really does lack weight on so many levels, just look at a decent GSD of Mal doing man work and tell me if they lack commitment, but they can be stopped.

Personally i can stop them usually before they start but thats just my training or lack of it..

 

I used to have would I would term as a very good deer dog a fair few years ago and he would always let go when asked. These grab on anywhere haunch munching curs are not worth a shit if you want meat for eating and a silent hunting dog. There have about as much finesse as a fecking crocodile x bulldozer

 

Lads that have done a bit with a quality trip em and neck hold type of dog will know what I mean

 

 

I know what your saying mate BUT many are trained with electric collars , especially on the continent. And the recall is never 100%, plus during training the criminal can help by stopping and raising the sleeve, quarry isn't so helpfull

[Simoman 110]

Is this thread about calling a dog off during a chase or getting a dog to leave something alone once you've arrived and want to take charge? There's a world of difference IMO.

 

 

Spot on Mal, mine will release a rabbit to hand and let go immediatly aslong as another dog isn't present, then the green eyed monster may surface occasionally. If we are talking pre ban and my dogs were killing a fox and i saunter up and say leave and they walked off it i would be questioning the drive of the dog, horses for courses, pre ban i would be quiet happy to see them hanging on and nowdays i like it when they spit my only quarry the bunny into my hand...........

[Sirius 1,391]

 

 

I know what your saying mate BUT many are trained with electric collars , especially on the continent. And the recall is never 100%, plus during training the criminal can help by stopping and raising the sleeve, quarry isn't so helpfull

 

I agree as with everythng their are variants and your right about the quarry not being so helpful, but I am sure it can be done.

Not a great example, but yer get my drift.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSeqRGCc4pk&feature=related

Edited September 5, 2011 by Sirius

[Simoman 110]

I agree matey, but all im saying is as somebody who trained high drive imports 6 days a week recalls(call offs) weren't taught that often as the dog often anticipated it and the chase was affected, look at the dogs body language in that footage, its not giving 100%, if it was it would be going faster, ears laid back etc etc

[Sirius 1,391]

I agree matey, but all im saying is as somebody who trained high drive imports 6 days a week recalls(call offs) weren't taught that often as the dog often anticipated it and the chase was affected, look at the dogs body language in that footage, its not giving 100%, if it was it would be going faster, ears laid back etc etc

 

I did say it was not a great example But I have seen it with my own eyes when visiting over the water at Schutzhund tests. There is no doubt its a very fine line .

[Malt 379]

Is this thread about calling a dog off during a chase or getting a dog to leave something alone once you've arrived and want to take charge? There's a world of difference IMO.

 

 

Spot on Mal, mine will release a rabbit to hand and let go immediatly aslong as another dog isn't present, then the green eyed monster may surface occasionally. If we are talking pre ban and my dogs were killing a fox and i saunter up and say leave and they walked off it i would be questioning the drive of the dog, horses for courses, pre ban i would be quiet happy to see them hanging on and nowdays i like it when they spit my only quarry the bunny into my hand...........

 

I wouldn't have expected a dog to leave a fox until it's dead, or even asked it to. Never owned a foxing lurcher before the ban but went out with plenty and saw a good mixture of types. The ones which impressed me were the ones who didn't need telling to leave once the job was done. The ones I'd never want to own were the ones who'd continue to rag f**k out of a dead fox and would't part for love nor money.

 

Maybe it's because my dogs live in the house round my kids that I feel I have to be a total control freak with them. Maybe when I build the run and kennel I've got plans for in the future and maybe get dogs purely for working I'll be able to relax a little about certain aspects of being a total control freak.

 

There was a good thread a good while back about whether you'd prefer a dog for your heart or one for your head, I think you commented on it. At the stage now I want my dogs to do what I want them to do and it drives me dull when they don't. Maybe when I can relax a bit I'll start appreciating a dog for what it can do, instead of what I can get it to do.

[Simoman 110]

Is this thread about calling a dog off during a chase or getting a dog to leave something alone once you've arrived and want to take charge? There's a world of difference IMO.

 

 

Spot on Mal, mine will release a rabbit to hand and let go immediatly aslong as another dog isn't present, then the green eyed monster may surface occasionally. If we are talking pre ban and my dogs were killing a fox and i saunter up and say leave and they walked off it i would be questioning the drive of the dog, horses for courses, pre ban i would be quiet happy to see them hanging on and nowdays i like it when they spit my only quarry the bunny into my hand...........

 

I wouldn't have expected a dog to leave a fox until it's dead, or even asked it to. Never owned a foxing lurcher before the ban but went out with plenty and saw a good mixture of types. The ones which impressed me were the ones who didn't need telling to leave once the job was done. The ones I'd never want to own were the ones who'd continue to rag f**k out of a dead fox and would't part for love nor money.

 

Maybe it's because my dogs live in the house round my kids that I feel I have to be a total control freak with them. Maybe when I build the run and kennel I've got plans for in the future and maybe get dogs purely for working I'll be able to relax a little about certain aspects of being a total control freak.

 

There was a good thread a good while back about whether you'd prefer a dog for your heart or one for your head, I think you commented on it. At the stage now I want my dogs to do what I want them to do and it drives me dull when they don't. Maybe when I can relax a bit I'll start appreciating a dog for what it can do, instead of what I can get it to do.

 

Mal, that is a great line, i spent so may years making money from commercial training/competing and spending 6 days a week training my dogs, getting what i could out of them that nowdays im very slack and do appreciate what the dog can offer, rather than what i can get it to do

[hedz31 1,308]

To be honest never tried tocall a dog of mid-course so have no idea pretty confident any dog i had would not come of as for calling of on quarry no chance i would use a stick on some quarry other quarry leave them with it unless other stuff was coming in,they would come of stuff but depends how long ye wanted to stand around and how much damage was done to the quarry after it was dead breaksticks are far easier and quicker and quieter

[stabba 10,745]

Mine pre ban would never leave a fox till they were 100% sure it was dead..which isnt a bad thing....be honest now and tell me how many dogs have left a left a fox thinking it was dead only for the critter to rear up and try to run again....i know it happens coz ive seen it done...those dogs i would and have questioned their desire to see the job through. If one of mine did that then there would be only one place it was going...atb stabba

[old timer123 367]

Mine pre ban would never leave a fox till they were 100% sure it was dead..which isnt a bad thing....be honest now and tell me how many dogs have left a left a fox thinking it was dead only for the critter to rear up and try to run again....i know it happens coz ive seen it done...those dogs i would and have questioned their desire to see the job through. If one of mine did that then there would be only one place it was going...atb stabba

give over lad seen your dog jack on fox thas getting old lol memory going a bit old boy lol :boogy:

[Malt 379]

Mine pre ban would never leave a fox till they were 100% sure it was dead..which isnt a bad thing....be honest now and tell me how many dogs have left a left a fox thinking it was dead only for the critter to rear up and try to run again....

 

I've seen that mate. Dog (not mine) got taken off a dead looking fox, I turned the cnut over with my foot and it sprang up on to all fours, scared the shit out of me, and legged it! The boys reckoned I must have given it the boot of life or something. It didn't get far though!

[old timer123 367]

Mine pre ban would never leave a fox till they were 100% sure it was dead..which isnt a bad thing....be honest now and tell me how many dogs have left a left a fox thinking it was dead only for the critter to rear up and try to run again....i know it happens coz ive seen it done...those dogs i would and have questioned their desire to see the job through. If one of mine did that then there would be only one place it was going...atb stabba

one thing your forgetting about the bullx is if somethjing isnt hurting them they dont hurt or should a say bite back like rabbits retreived live to hand most of the times

[fcuktheban 140]

I'm happy to say I can call my dogs off during a chase. The main reasons being they are nearing a road or they are after something I don't want them to chase. My dogs work well off lead and give it their all each run.

[old timer123 367]

I'm happy to say I can call my dogs off during a chase. The main reasons being they are nearing a road or they are after something I don't want them to chase. My dogs work well off lead and give it their all each run.

thee dogs a never art kennel cause tha alas on here chatting shit man

[forest of dean redneck 11,694]

my old gsd x lurcher in younger days could be called off fallow in woods but as said had to be stern voice with either socks leave it or heel.

but she was harder work later in life when had issues with the wife and wasnt out so much.