advice needed when lamping dog running the whole field

[winchester 23 0]

hi sorry if this topic has been done to death but i need some advice ,i am quite new to lurchering and i am having problems getting my 15 month collie /greyhound to come back after a missed run; he then carries on hunting the rest of the field. I turn off the lamp straight away and have tried walking in the other direction obviously i dont want to be be shouting or whistling him as that also defeats the object of creeping around silently ,he does improve if he has caught a couple or had a few runs.

he is pretty biddable during walking and around stock etc and is turning out to be a great asset when ferreting marking holes and very patient when waiting for a bolt. to be honest i am well chuffed with him in that aspect..

Its just lamping he infuriates me he has a good nose which is a great for for ferreting but will often jump the fence when lamping if the rabbit has made it to cover and hunt in the wood he is very determined and very keen.

I also own a 2 1/2 year old saluki bull deerhound x which i bought from a lad in wales and have no probs with him lamping if he misses on a run and i switch the lamp off hes straight back and also more annoying is my sons 10 month bull whippet poachers pocket x who we are just started to do a small bit of lamping with. if he misses he is straight back as if my son has turned on a magnet !! which pisses me off no end and amuses the hell out afor mentioned 14 year old son!!

i also have an invite from a lad who does a bit, when the ground gets a bit softer on his permission and at the moement theres no way i could bring my collie x as i would look a right prick its a shame not to use him as he is blistering fast and very nimble and i have had some fantastic catches with him which really feels me with pride and excitement.

anyway any sensible advice will be much appreciated.

sorry if the thread has been a bit long winded..

[DottyDoo 500]

dont worry aboot the making noise an ruining yer nites out mate, seems as tho the dog is ruining them anyways lol

back to basics, i know its a quote used all too often, but it realy is necessary imo, get the dogs recall spot on, try taking him somewhere there is deffo no game, throw a ball an let him retreive it, as soon as it seems he is mastering the retreive/recall, then id lamp him again, if he started fooking about an hunting up id switch lamp off sit on my arse an wait for him to come, when he come id take him home, i know its hardly a good nite out, but he will soon relise hunting up n dark, means going home...

 

if he does come straight back tho, slip on an off ye go to the next bunny...

 

 

if the dog is as clever as most are, wont be long till he picks it up, id rather have a highly driven dog like yours than 1 that to be coaxed doon a beam if light

 

[yampydoo 19]

try giving him a reward after he gets a rabbit and if he comes back one then he will get the idea

[DottyDoo 500]

try giving him a reward after he gets a rabbit and if he comes back one then he will get the idea

 

 

i have seen a few folk try an reward the retreive wiith a tit bit mate, an the 1 thing i have noticed with all the dogs is they spat bunny out on approach in anticipation for the reward.....

 

must admit tho, neither i or the folks i seen try this technique are experts

 

 

[simonrocco 175]

as dottydoo says get your dog used to the recall before taking it out again good luck pal

[richie c 11]

if e comes in better [bANNED TEXT] he,s had a few runs or catch keep im at it let im run as many as possible with loads of praise [bANNED TEXT] e comes in, dont worry about stealth and being quiet, a good recall is more inportant. he will learn he only young.

[yampydoo 19]

try giving him a reward after he gets a rabbit and if he comes back one then he will get the idea

 

 

i have seen a few folk try an reward the retreive wiith a tit bit mate, an the 1 thing i have noticed with all the dogs is they spat bunny out on approach in anticipation for the reward.....

 

must admit tho, neither i or the folks i seen try this technique are experts

 

 

 

 

i used it not long ago and only gave it when it handed the rabbit over make shore you have the rabbit and wait a few seconds after you get it before you give it with prays do not show it or offer it till he his back

[winchester 23 0]

hi lads thanks for the advice i will try a lot of day time training as i dont want him to get worse thanks again.....

Edited September 4, 2011 by winchester 23

[the big chief 3,099]

if you have tride every thing and only every thing get a shock coller from packdog.com worked wonders four me butt you can not be silly with theas collers shockin the dog four anything becaus it could send the dog the opasit direction to what you wont hoped this helped

[mick01 36]

my pup is the same mate, 8 month old only had 3 very short sessions but im hoping she will click onto the fact that returning to me = another run. rather than running around in the dark. not much advice for ya mate but just so you know your not the only one! atb

[Guest born to run1083]

for now I'd cut the day work out as the traits gained for day work isn't what you want for a lamp dog, dogs are smart enough to learn the difference but as you've got a collie x they can pick traits up very fast. I think whats happened is he thinks he's meant to work how you would want a ferreting dog to work in the day but that's total unexceptable at night. as said go back to basics, good recall then move to next step. if you are gonna go in the day ,work him as tho you would on the lamp. slip him then recall him and back on slip. get it so it's second nature then at night shouldn't have many probs and if you can don't let him find his own quarry during the day. don't let them rely on there other senses apart from sight this all helps to stop them hunting up

[undisputed 1,664]

Easy runs to start with and the penny will drop eventually and he'll come to know the actions at the end of the lamp. Just turn the lamp off and wait for him to come back it will be frustrating to start with but he will come away from it

[undisputed 1,664]

if you have tride every thing and only every thing get a shock coller from packdog.com worked wonders four me butt you can not be silly with theas collers shockin the dog four anything becaus it could send the dog the opasit direction to what you wont hoped this helped

 

:wallbash: Ignore this mate way over the top

[pot hunter 24]

for now I'd cut the day work out as the traits gained for day work isn't what you want for a lamp dog, dogs are smart enough to learn the difference but as you've got a collie x they can pick traits up very fast. I think whats happened is he thinks he's meant to work how you would want a ferreting dog to work in the day but that's total unexceptable at night. as said go back to basics, good recall then move to next step. if you are gonna go in the day ,work him as tho you would on the lamp. slip him then recall him and back on slip. get it so it's second nature then at night shouldn't have many probs and if you can don't let him find his own quarry during the day. don't let them rely on there other senses apart from sight this all helps to stop them hunting up

agree with above, daytime hunting - dog using his nose when he should be using sight, had this problem few times with startin pups on ferreting/mouching dog will soon catch on to whats going on with the lamp, but when the nose is down recall has to be good cause your calling him of a "hot" scent.

[wild rover 548]

Try this it works, good luck, have a read and try it

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