harris hawk as beginers bird ?

[brianL84 11]

hi guys i just got myself a young harris and hes a wee shite lol traind a couple of sakers from young and found them so easy to train and get hunting so why can i train a saker faster than a harris but a harris is ment to be a beginers bird ? hes 1lb 9 and hes just started jumping to the glove today but hes not progressing as quick as my falcons did iv had older harris befone and loved them so went back to having one and to be honist its not been as easy as everybody claimes

[Parabuteos lad 878]

i totally agree, i had a harris as my first bird and then, this year purchased a gyr x saker and found all of it 10x easier. i believ the harris is seen as the best begginers bird because of how forgiving it is when you make mistakes

[brianL84 11]

i totally agree, i had a harris as my first bird and then, this year purchased a gyr x saker and found all of it 10x easier. i believ the harris is seen as the best begginers bird because of how forgiving it is when you make mistakes

miby mate but i tell u falcons are so much easyer to train my wee harris has been a bit of a c**t tbh getting thare with him now but its been a very trying expirience lol

[arcticgun 4,548]

lol gyr x saker is something id like to try in future, sounds encouraging, harris been interesting, few have told me some people dont progress the training quick enough so the harris gets bored and reverts back over to obtuse behaviour, likesay mine went fairly smoothly (thus far, wood touched lol)

 

 

dont go woth the harris being easier in general either, look on any forum and youll find people struggleing to cope with them, mainly newbies such as myself , but we all have to start somewhere, and each bird and situation is unique , constant learning curve same with most animals we work with, things are always easy right up until the point it goes tits up and that can happen to anyone nebie or expert alike, seen it many times at shows displys etc

Edited September 2, 2011 by arcticgun

[grovsey 74]

fly any bird u want as long as your leanred the ropes proper there is no reason what so ever u cant fly any bird,im fed up of hearing people saying 'get a harris as your first bird ' you look at your quarry and time and then get a bird to suit

[arcticgun 4,548]

fly any bird u want as long as your leanred the ropes proper there is no reason what so ever u cant fly any bird,im fed up of hearing people saying 'get a harris as your first bird ' you look at your quarry and time and then get a bird to suit

 

sounds like good advice starting with a harris when ya hearts in a gos will only lead to said harris being rehomed when its noi longer of interest, for me harris suits my purpose and majority of land and game I have available at my disposal, thefact they are fairly steady only makes the whole learning curve more pleasent, which surely at the end of the day is the whiole point, fitness Im told is the key to harris and ther sma eman said people rarely get the best out of them and the fel;las flown a fair few types in his years.

[grovsey 74]

fitness in anybird is key ,look at how many people have a gos lets say and work all week,in winter its dark by 4pm so there not flying monday-friday so then go out with there so called amazing gos and fly it say-sun ,there answe then is 'i do rope training or high jumps to get him fit 'imho that nothin like the real thing and willnever replace chasing a partrage in the air while its pumping its wings to get it instead of a half fit gos pumping then cracking its wing open when pumping a sure sign of a unfit bird .

i love redtails and would have one over a harris ,not enough people flying them becaise they class them as hard ,is this becaise there experiance is not ready for such a bird and opt for the harris instead ?

with a red ur will leanr far more with one than a harris ad there alot nicer to look at but get it wrong and u will have a face foot of bloody big feet .

good luck with ur furture bird mate

[brianL84 11]

fitness is key mate your bang on with that but i think harris are just exellent birds especialy when fit iv never had as much fun with any other birds harris are defo my favourite

[arcticgun 4,548]

fitness in anybird is key ,look at how many people have a gos lets say and work all week,in winter its dark by 4pm so there not flying monday-friday so then go out with there so called amazing gos and fly it say-sun ,there answe then is 'i do rope training or high jumps to get him fit 'imho that nothin like the real thing and willnever replace chasing a partrage in the air while its pumping its wings to get it instead of a half fit gos pumping then cracking its wing open when pumping a sure sign of a unfit bird .

i love redtails and would have one over a harris ,not enough people flying them becaise they class them as hard ,is this becaise there experiance is not ready for such a bird and opt for the harris instead ?

with a red ur will leanr far more with one than a harris ad there alot nicer to look at but get it wrong and u will have a face foot of bloody big feet .

good luck with ur furture bird mate

 

 

bit past future bird stage now took the plunge 3 months since, not looked back, waited a lng time for this and have no intentions of messing it up, sure stuff has and will again go wrong but she has taught me something everytime Im with her, we not far off that first kill, out in morning flushing with the dog, she will be bang on perfect weight and she been very close last time out so its in the post

Edited September 3, 2011 by arcticgun

[grovsey 74]

fitness in anybird is key ,look at how many people have a gos lets say and work all week,in winter its dark by 4pm so there not flying monday-friday so then go out with there so called amazing gos and fly it say-sun ,there answe then is 'i do rope training or high jumps to get him fit 'imho that nothin like the real thing and willnever replace chasing a partrage in the air while its pumping its wings to get it instead of a half fit gos pumping then cracking its wing open when pumping a sure sign of a unfit bird .

i love redtails and would have one over a harris ,not enough people flying them becaise they class them as hard ,is this becaise there experiance is not ready for such a bird and opt for the harris instead ?

with a red ur will leanr far more with one than a harris ad there alot nicer to look at but get it wrong and u will have a face foot of bloody big feet .

good luck with ur furture bird mate

 

 

bit past future bird stage now took the plunge 3 months since, not looked back, waited a lng time for this and have no intentions of messing it up, sure stuff has and will again go wrong but she has taught me something everytime Im with her, we not far off that first kill, out in morning flushing with the dog, she will be bang on perfect weight and she been very close last time out so its in the post

are you slipping her of the fist as u might have more success if the bird is up in a tree following on then u can concentrate working the land and getting the bird a good slip .the key is getting a slip in the right way as in you dont want to be ferreting a warren lets say thats got about 20 holes as the rabbits will jump from hole to hole and the bird will get so frustated .try bolting a rabbit that in a good place like a few holes in the middle of a field and then the rabbit got no where to go and give the bird a lot better chance.then once ur bird has had a few kills under its belt try more harder slips as the bird will know what to do .

[arcticgun 4,548]

tried a little of each mate, on the more open land she goes from fist and has done resonably well just this morning assisiting the saluki to kill, the greatest part was the dog allowing the bird to claim the quarry, it was not as pretty as some shown on you tube say Gyr saker doin same game but effective never the less had it been my tea I would not be whining about the result.

 

The better chases she has put up have though been form trees as she follows onto us flushing, only one in the bag so far but signs are good thanks for taking the time to give advise its much appreciated