Whats peoples thoughts on unmated jills.

[ferret100 47]

I am always amazed what is used in Animal Health, When I had pedigree Sheep, I used to jab them to bring them into Season, I found out this was made from Pregnant Mare Serum.

Hormone Replacement Therapy for humans is also made from the urine of pregnant mares, nice eh?!

[ferret100 47]

I am always amazed what is used in Animal Health, When I had pedigree Sheep, I used to jab them to bring them into Season, I found out this was made from Pregnant Mare Serum.

Hormone Replacement Therapy for humans is also made from the urine of pregnant mares, nice eh?!

Sorry can be made, not always!

[ROMEO666 0]

its easy really isnt it, get them dressed, then you dont have to worry, or get yourself a hoblet, and your sorted. Its btwn 60 to pounds to get hob done, or if your jill is healthy and goes in season year after year for 6 years its 25 pound a year for jab, costing you what 3hunrer pound, and sometimes she will just go back into season costing more, i dont like the sound of these so called implants and they dont last either, so hoblet or get them dressed, or let nature take its course, the experience out weighs science to me, experience folk here on this site work there jills, keep them healthy and clean, they live to twelve a scientist tests things in a lab on ferrets like the jab like the implant behind closed doors, how do we know what the results really are, i go with the lee camp here. Am a newbie and novice though what do i know.

[Leeview 791]

Have you ever actually seen a dog/ferret infected with CD or parvo? Or a jill with advanced aplastic anaemia? It's not a pretty sight and they aren't make believe conditions found in a book! Other animals are brought out of season via injections, dogs & cats are brought out of season with the same hormone regulators as ferrets are. Vaccines are advised to prevent illness/disease as prevention is better than cure, exactly the same principle of using hormone regulators in jills...to prevent aplastic anema/pyometra rather than treating the conditions after they have developed. Treating the conditions are much more expensive than preventing them in the first place, not to mention ensuring an animal doesn't suffer for no good reason.

 

The hormones that animals are injected with are the same naturally occuring hormones the animal already produces, not 'chemicals'. People don't always want to use hormones long-term, so a hoblet is another solution and spaying eliminates the issue altogether. Either way, leaving jills in season can and does cause serious problems, whether you have experienced them or not. If you would rather wait until a jill became ill in order to utilise alternative methods of bringing them out of season instead of ensuring it's prevented in the first place then that's your choice but I wouldn't recommend it and I don't think you should either.

 

 

Ever actually seen a dog or ferret infected with CD or parvo? Dog YES ferret NO but none of my animals have ever had either in all my time of keeping them

Or a jill with aplastic anemia? NO NEVER

Dogs and Cats are brought out of season with the same hormone regulators as ferrets are. SURELY not due to the size difference in your 3 instances?

Vaccines are advised(administered)to prevent illness/disease as prevention is better than cure.NEVER DISPUTED THAT FACT BUT I ASKED ABOUT BOOSTERS

 

EITHER WAYS, leaving a jill in season CAN and does cause serious problems,wether you have experienced them or not, if you would rather wait until a jill became ill in order to use alternative methods of bringing them out of season instead of ensuring its prevented in the first place thats your choice but I would nt recommend it and I dont think you should either

 

CAN and MIGHT are very popular words with people trying to convince others what to do Having had ferrets for over 50years Vasectomised hobs were unheard of jill jabs when did they come about? around about the same time as the fluffies brigade got into showing ferrets? So how did you manage before then? My experience leads me to believe its not neccessary to have them taken out of season with no ill effects whatsoever

Yourself on the other hand tell me what you think will happen to my ferrets if I dont do what you say and your experience of these illnesses/diseases are they first hand or read/heard from equally dubious sources

BUT hold on you jab your jills and snip your hobs so your ferrets cant possibly suffer from these symptoms you have seen can they

Y.I.S Leeview

 

Sorry mate, it appears your leave your jills in season and they will be fine arguement isn't really convincing anyone. As far as boosters go, have you ever heard of antigens? If you haven't, then read one of those books full of pretend illnesses you keep talking about and you will be able to answer your own question. Modern science has moved on, why don't you catch up.

your forgetting theres documented downsides to jill jabs ,spaying ect each to there own iam in the lea camp but thinking on a vas hob for next year but again read the documented downside on phantom pregnancys .science aint moved that much when they cant guarentee a problem free solution without side effects so your argument aint convincing me

 

There are documented downsides to chemo, vaccinations & surgery....but they save lives, so get a proper arguement.

The use of Jill jabs & hoblets are designed to 'trick' the jills reproductive system into a false/psuedo pregnancy,

PLAYING WITH THE JILLS HEAD

therefore bringing them out of season, preventing bone marrow hyperplasia, immunity supression, decreased platelet count/internal bleeding etc etc associated with prolonged oestrus/aplastic anaemia. A pregnant jill can return to season after birthing a litter,

DID YOU NOT SUGGEST EARLIER IN THIS SITUATION TO GET THE JILL REJABBED WHEN THIS HAPPENS? WHILST FEEDING KITS?

but it certainly doesn't mean just keep breeding her to solve the problem.

WHERE HAVE I MENTIONED BREEDING TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM?

So why should the risks of pyometra & aplastic anaemia, UTI's etc by leaving jills in prolonged oestrus be a better solution than minimising/eliminating the risks by alternative methods? Alternative methods of hormone influence have been developed

WHERE DO THEY GET THESE HORMONES FROM TO INJECT THE JILL?

and are highly successful for the reason that the risk of prolonged oestrus in jills is more severe than potential side effects of alternative methods, including spaying.

 

You stay in the lea camp out there in no man's land

 

Y.I.S Leeview

That reply wasn't aimed at you, but anyway.

You believe that bringing a jill out of oestrus fucks with her head?

I DEFINATELY DID NOT MENTION THE f888S with her head I SAID PLAYS AS YOU SAID TRICKS HER INTO THINKING

How exactly does ending her oestrus cycle do that, after all it's exactly what would happen in the wild?

HOW WOULD A JILL BE TAKEN OUT OF SEASON IN THE WILD? SHE FINDS A MATE HE TAKES HER OUT OR IF SHE DOES NT FIND A MATE SHE STAYS IN SEASON UNTIL THE DAYS DRAW SHORTER

! Working on your warped logic, vaccinations must also f**k with heads, after all the vaccine is tricking the immune system into producing antibodies. It wasn't me who suggested jill jabbing a lactating mother, so unlucky there. Also look back over the thread, where did I say jills must be brought out of season using a jill jab?...no where. You however think it is better to deny a jill the opportunity to complete her oestrus cycle,

AS ABOVE REPLY

therefore predisposing her to all sorts of complications. You'd rather subject them to a 6 month oestrus cycle?

AS ABOVE REPLY

..how kind of you. Leaving them in season is more artificial than using alternative methods to end their oestrus,

ARTIFICIAL REALLY SO IN THE WILD WHERE DO THEY GET THESE ALTERNATIVE METHODS TO END THEIR OESTRUS :hmm:

you just can't grasp the concept, your problem,

EXCUSE ME YOU SEEM TO BE THE ONE WITH THE PROBLEM ANOTHER TOPIC WHERE YOU'VE STUCK YOUR TWO PENNETH IN AND COME UP WITH NOTHING POSITIVE AND GETTING ALL UPPETY BECAUSE I (AND OTHERS) HAVE DIFFERING IDEAS TO YOURSELF

not mine. With regards to hormone production for medical/veterinary purposes, again read one of those things called books you dislike so much, then you can answer your own question, again.

Tbh, I don't believe your jills have never had any issues with leaving them in season, but that's neither here nor there, but if that is honestly true, then can you please mention this to your vets (they are the people who make sick animals better)....they will be fascinated by these bionic jills of yours, it may even be a scientific breakthrough on ferret genetics.....

Y.I.S Leeview

[Leeview 791]

I am always amazed what is used in Animal Health, When I had pedigree Sheep, I used to jab them to bring them into Season, I found out this was made from Pregnant Mare Serum.

Hormone Replacement Therapy for humans is also made from the urine of pregnant mares, nice eh?!

I am always amazed what is used in Animal Health, When I had pedigree Sheep, I used to jab them to bring them into Season, I found out this was made from Pregnant Mare Serum.

Yes joe Pregnant Mares Serum can be used to bring other animals into season I have in the past used it on dogs its that exact you could book the stud 42days after the injection other methods are available but ovulation isnt guaranteed as it is with PMS

Hormone Replacement Therapy for humans is also made from the urine of pregnant mares, nice eh?!

WHAT HAS PREGNANT MARES URINE GOT TO DO WITH SERUM? ARE YOU GETTING CONFUSED WITH CONTRACEPTIVE PILLS BASED ON MARES URINE?

Sorry can be made, not always!

Y.I.S Leeview

[ferret100 47]

I am always amazed what is used in Animal Health, When I had pedigree Sheep, I used to jab them to bring them into Season, I found out this was made from Pregnant Mare Serum.

Hormone Replacement Therapy for humans is also made from the urine of pregnant mares, nice eh?!

I am always amazed what is used in Animal Health, When I had pedigree Sheep, I used to jab them to bring them into Season, I found out this was made from Pregnant Mare Serum.

Yes joe Pregnant Mares Serum can be used to bring other animals into season I have in the past used it on dogs its that exact you could book the stud 42days after the injection other methods are available but ovulation isnt guaranteed as it is with PMS

Hormone Replacement Therapy for humans is also made from the urine of pregnant mares, nice eh?!

WHAT HAS PREGNANT MARES URINE GOT TO DO WITH SERUM? ARE YOU GETTING CONFUSED WITH CONTRACEPTIVE PILLS BASED ON MARES URINE?

Sorry can be made, not always!

Y.I.S Leeview

No I'm not, but maybe you are.

[Leeview 791]

I am always amazed what is used in Animal Health, When I had pedigree Sheep, I used to jab them to bring them into Season, I found out this was made from Pregnant Mare Serum.

Hormone Replacement Therapy for humans is also made from the urine of pregnant mares, nice eh?!

I am always amazed what is used in Animal Health, When I had pedigree Sheep, I used to jab them to bring them into Season, I found out this was made from Pregnant Mare Serum.

Yes joe Pregnant Mares Serum can be used to bring other animals into season I have in the past used it on dogs its that exact you could book the stud 42days after the injection other methods are available but ovulation isnt guaranteed as it is with PMS

Hormone Replacement Therapy for humans is also made from the urine of pregnant mares, nice eh?!

WHAT HAS PREGNANT MARES URINE GOT TO DO WITH SERUM? ARE YOU GETTING CONFUSED WITH CONTRACEPTIVE PILLS BASED ON MARES URINE?

Sorry can be made, not always!

Y.I.S Leeview

No I'm not, but maybe you are.

[ferret100 47]

Have you ever actually seen a dog/ferret infected with CD or parvo? Or a jill with advanced aplastic anaemia? It's not a pretty sight and they aren't make believe conditions found in a book! Other animals are brought out of season via injections, dogs & cats are brought out of season with the same hormone regulators as ferrets are. Vaccines are advised to prevent illness/disease as prevention is better than cure, exactly the same principle of using hormone regulators in jills...to prevent aplastic anema/pyometra rather than treating the conditions after they have developed. Treating the conditions are much more expensive than preventing them in the first place, not to mention ensuring an animal doesn't suffer for no good reason.

 

The hormones that animals are injected with are the same naturally occuring hormones the animal already produces, not 'chemicals'. People don't always want to use hormones long-term, so a hoblet is another solution and spaying eliminates the issue altogether. Either way, leaving jills in season can and does cause serious problems, whether you have experienced them or not. If you would rather wait until a jill became ill in order to utilise alternative methods of bringing them out of season instead of ensuring it's prevented in the first place then that's your choice but I wouldn't recommend it and I don't think you should either.

 

 

Ever actually seen a dog or ferret infected with CD or parvo? Dog YES ferret NO but none of my animals have ever had either in all my time of keeping them

Or a jill with aplastic anemia? NO NEVER

Dogs and Cats are brought out of season with the same hormone regulators as ferrets are. SURELY not due to the size difference in your 3 instances?

Vaccines are advised(administered)to prevent illness/disease as prevention is better than cure.NEVER DISPUTED THAT FACT BUT I ASKED ABOUT BOOSTERS

 

EITHER WAYS, leaving a jill in season CAN and does cause serious problems,wether you have experienced them or not, if you would rather wait until a jill became ill in order to use alternative methods of bringing them out of season instead of ensuring its prevented in the first place thats your choice but I would nt recommend it and I dont think you should either

 

CAN and MIGHT are very popular words with people trying to convince others what to do Having had ferrets for over 50years Vasectomised hobs were unheard of jill jabs when did they come about? around about the same time as the fluffies brigade got into showing ferrets? So how did you manage before then? My experience leads me to believe its not neccessary to have them taken out of season with no ill effects whatsoever

Yourself on the other hand tell me what you think will happen to my ferrets if I dont do what you say and your experience of these illnesses/diseases are they first hand or read/heard from equally dubious sources

BUT hold on you jab your jills and snip your hobs so your ferrets cant possibly suffer from these symptoms you have seen can they

Y.I.S Leeview

 

Sorry mate, it appears your leave your jills in season and they will be fine arguement isn't really convincing anyone. As far as boosters go, have you ever heard of antigens? If you haven't, then read one of those books full of pretend illnesses you keep talking about and you will be able to answer your own question. Modern science has moved on, why don't you catch up.

your forgetting theres documented downsides to jill jabs ,spaying ect each to there own iam in the lea camp but thinking on a vas hob for next year but again read the documented downside on phantom pregnancys .science aint moved that much when they cant guarentee a problem free solution without side effects so your argument aint convincing me

 

There are documented downsides to chemo, vaccinations & surgery....but they save lives, so get a proper arguement.

The use of Jill jabs & hoblets are designed to 'trick' the jills reproductive system into a false/psuedo pregnancy,

PLAYING WITH THE JILLS HEAD

therefore bringing them out of season, preventing bone marrow hyperplasia, immunity supression, decreased platelet count/internal bleeding etc etc associated with prolonged oestrus/aplastic anaemia. A pregnant jill can return to season after birthing a litter,

DID YOU NOT SUGGEST EARLIER IN THIS SITUATION TO GET THE JILL REJABBED WHEN THIS HAPPENS? WHILST FEEDING KITS?

but it certainly doesn't mean just keep breeding her to solve the problem.

WHERE HAVE I MENTIONED BREEDING TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM?

So why should the risks of pyometra & aplastic anaemia, UTI's etc by leaving jills in prolonged oestrus be a better solution than minimising/eliminating the risks by alternative methods? Alternative methods of hormone influence have been developed

WHERE DO THEY GET THESE HORMONES FROM TO INJECT THE JILL?

and are highly successful for the reason that the risk of prolonged oestrus in jills is more severe than potential side effects of alternative methods, including spaying.

 

You stay in the lea camp out there in no man's land

 

Y.I.S Leeview

That reply wasn't aimed at you, but anyway.

You believe that bringing a jill out of oestrus fucks with her head?

I DEFINATELY DID NOT MENTION THE f888S with her head I SAID PLAYS AS YOU SAID TRICKS HER INTO THINKING

How exactly does ending her oestrus cycle do that, after all it's exactly what would happen in the wild?

HOW WOULD A JILL BE TAKEN OUT OF SEASON IN THE WILD? SHE FINDS A MATE HE TAKES HER OUT OR IF SHE DOES NT FIND A MATE SHE STAYS IN SEASON UNTIL THE DAYS DRAW SHORTER

! Working on your warped logic, vaccinations must also f**k with heads, after all the vaccine is tricking the immune system into producing antibodies. It wasn't me who suggested jill jabbing a lactating mother, so unlucky there. Also look back over the thread, where did I say jills must be brought out of season using a jill jab?...no where. You however think it is better to deny a jill the opportunity to complete her oestrus cycle,

AS ABOVE REPLY

therefore predisposing her to all sorts of complications. You'd rather subject them to a 6 month oestrus cycle?

AS ABOVE REPLY

..how kind of you. Leaving them in season is more artificial than using alternative methods to end their oestrus,

ARTIFICIAL REALLY SO IN THE WILD WHERE DO THEY GET THESE ALTERNATIVE METHODS TO END THEIR OESTRUS :hmm:

you just can't grasp the concept, your problem,

EXCUSE ME YOU SEEM TO BE THE ONE WITH THE PROBLEM ANOTHER TOPIC WHERE YOU'VE STUCK YOUR TWO PENNETH IN AND COME UP WITH NOTHING POSITIVE AND GETTING ALL UPPETY BECAUSE I (AND OTHERS) HAVE DIFFERING IDEAS TO YOURSELF

not mine. With regards to hormone production for medical/veterinary purposes, again read one of those things called books you dislike so much, then you can answer your own question, again.

Tbh, I don't believe your jills have never had any issues with leaving them in season, but that's neither here nor there, but if that is honestly true, then can you please mention this to your vets (they are the people who make sick animals better)....they will be fascinated by these bionic jills of yours, it may even be a scientific breakthrough on ferret genetics.....

Y.I.S Leeview

As I said, you can't grasp the concept, again your problem, not mine.

[Leeview 791]

No I'm not, but maybe you are.

 

YES YOU ARE IM NOT SEE MY REPLY UNDER COUNTRY JOE

Where does the serum come from then?

Y.I.S Leeview

[ferret100 47]

No I'm not, but maybe you are.

 

YES YOU ARE IM NOT SEE MY REPLY UNDER COUNTRY JOE

Where does the serum come from then?

Y.I.S Leeview

Stick your head in a book....find it out for yourself

[Leeview 791]

No I'm not, but maybe you are.

 

YES YOU ARE IM NOT SEE MY REPLY UNDER COUNTRY JOE

Where does the serum come from then?

Y.I.S Leeview

Stick your head in a book....find it out for yourself

I have used it and given my experience of PMS whilst you manage to confuse it with urine

Y.I.S Leeview

Edited September 2, 2011 by Leeview

[ferret100 47]

No I'm not, but maybe you are.

 

YES YOU ARE IM NOT SEE MY REPLY UNDER COUNTRY JOE

Where does the serum come from then?

Y.I.S Leeview

Stick your head in a book....find it out for yourself

I have used it and given my experience of PMS whilst you manage to confuse it with urine

Y.I.S Leeview

ffs...

Edited September 2, 2011 by ferret100

[old timer123 367]

mine have gone out of season im not mating them theyve gone out keep em clean no problems its scruffy cuns who got problems with ferrets clean cage fresh flesh an water no problemo do you think every ferret in the wild would get mated every season ?? i dont think they would not every season

[tote 854]

Have you ever actually seen a dog/ferret infected with CD or parvo? Or a jill with advanced aplastic anaemia? It's not a pretty sight and they aren't make believe conditions found in a book! Other animals are brought out of season via injections, dogs & cats are brought out of season with the same hormone regulators as ferrets are. Vaccines are advised to prevent illness/disease as prevention is better than cure, exactly the same principle of using hormone regulators in jills...to prevent aplastic anema/pyometra rather than treating the conditions after they have developed. Treating the conditions are much more expensive than preventing them in the first place, not to mention ensuring an animal doesn't suffer for no good reason.

 

The hormones that animals are injected with are the same naturally occuring hormones the animal already produces, not 'chemicals'. People don't always want to use hormones long-term, so a hoblet is another solution and spaying eliminates the issue altogether. Either way, leaving jills in season can and does cause serious problems, whether you have experienced them or not. If you would rather wait until a jill became ill in order to utilise alternative methods of bringing them out of season instead of ensuring it's prevented in the first place then that's your choice but I wouldn't recommend it and I don't think you should either.

 

 

Ever actually seen a dog or ferret infected with CD or parvo? Dog YES ferret NO but none of my animals have ever had either in all my time of keeping them

Or a jill with aplastic anemia? NO NEVER

Dogs and Cats are brought out of season with the same hormone regulators as ferrets are. SURELY not due to the size difference in your 3 instances?

Vaccines are advised(administered)to prevent illness/disease as prevention is better than cure.NEVER DISPUTED THAT FACT BUT I ASKED ABOUT BOOSTERS

 

EITHER WAYS, leaving a jill in season CAN and does cause serious problems,wether you have experienced them or not, if you would rather wait until a jill became ill in order to use alternative methods of bringing them out of season instead of ensuring its prevented in the first place thats your choice but I would nt recommend it and I dont think you should either

 

CAN and MIGHT are very popular words with people trying to convince others what to do Having had ferrets for over 50years Vasectomised hobs were unheard of jill jabs when did they come about? around about the same time as the fluffies brigade got into showing ferrets? So how did you manage before then? My experience leads me to believe its not neccessary to have them taken out of season with no ill effects whatsoever

Yourself on the other hand tell me what you think will happen to my ferrets if I dont do what you say and your experience of these illnesses/diseases are they first hand or read/heard from equally dubious sources

BUT hold on you jab your jills and snip your hobs so your ferrets cant possibly suffer from these symptoms you have seen can they

Y.I.S Leeview

 

Sorry mate, it appears your leave your jills in season and they will be fine arguement isn't really convincing anyone. As far as boosters go, have you ever heard of antigens? If you haven't, then read one of those books full of pretend illnesses you keep talking about and you will be able to answer your own question. Modern science has moved on, why don't you catch up.

your forgetting theres documented downsides to jill jabs ,spaying ect each to there own iam in the lea camp but thinking on a vas hob for next year but again read the documented downside on phantom pregnancys .science aint moved that much when they cant guarentee a problem free solution without side effects so your argument aint convincing me

 

There are documented downsides to chemo, vaccinations & surgery....but they save lives, so get a proper arguement.

The use of Jill jabs & hoblets are designed to 'trick' the jills reproductive system into a false/psuedo pregnancy,

PLAYING WITH THE JILLS HEAD

therefore bringing them out of season, preventing bone marrow hyperplasia, immunity supression, decreased platelet count/internal bleeding etc etc associated with prolonged oestrus/aplastic anaemia. A pregnant jill can return to season after birthing a litter,

DID YOU NOT SUGGEST EARLIER IN THIS SITUATION TO GET THE JILL REJABBED WHEN THIS HAPPENS? WHILST FEEDING KITS?

but it certainly doesn't mean just keep breeding her to solve the problem.

WHERE HAVE I MENTIONED BREEDING TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM?

So why should the risks of pyometra & aplastic anaemia, UTI's etc by leaving jills in prolonged oestrus be a better solution than minimising/eliminating the risks by alternative methods? Alternative methods of hormone influence have been developed

WHERE DO THEY GET THESE HORMONES FROM TO INJECT THE JILL?

and are highly successful for the reason that the risk of prolonged oestrus in jills is more severe than potential side effects of alternative methods, including spaying.

 

You stay in the lea camp out there in no man's land

 

Y.I.S Leeview

That reply wasn't aimed at you, but anyway.

You believe that bringing a jill out of oestrus fucks with her head? How exactly does ending her oestrus cycle do that, after all it's exactly what would happen in the wild?! Working on your warped logic, vaccinations must also f**k with heads, after all the vaccine is tricking the immune system into producing antibodies. It wasn't me who suggested jill jabbing a lactating mother, so unlucky there. Also look back over the thread, where did I say jills must be brought out of season using a jill jab?...no where. You however think it is better to deny a jill the opportunity to complete her oestrus cycle, therefore predisposing her to all sorts of complications. You'd rather subject them to a 6 month oestrus cycle?..how kind of you. Leaving them in season is more artificial than using alternative methods to end their oestrus, you just can't grasp the concept, your problem, not mine. With regards to hormone production for medical/veterinary purposes, again read one of those things called books you dislike so much, then you can answer your own question, again.

Tbh, I don't believe your jills have never had any issues with leaving them in season, but that's neither here nor there, but if that is honestly true, then can you please mention this to your vets (they are the people who make sick animals better)....they will be fascinated by these bionic jills of yours, it may even be a scientific breakthrough on ferret genetics.....

 

I have a confession to make, after reading the above I must've had bionic jills over the course of the last 30 years because unbelievable as it might sound I've never came across any health issues with any jill that's been left in season. How can that have been possible when all these "experts" tell us a jill that's left in season "will have a shortened life span".

 

Seems to me that Leeview is talking through experience whereas ferret100 seems to have gained his knowledge from google.

[ferret100 47]

Have you ever actually seen a dog/ferret infected with CD or parvo? Or a jill with advanced aplastic anaemia? It's not a pretty sight and they aren't make believe conditions found in a book! Other animals are brought out of season via injections, dogs & cats are brought out of season with the same hormone regulators as ferrets are. Vaccines are advised to prevent illness/disease as prevention is better than cure, exactly the same principle of using hormone regulators in jills...to prevent aplastic anema/pyometra rather than treating the conditions after they have developed. Treating the conditions are much more expensive than preventing them in the first place, not to mention ensuring an animal doesn't suffer for no good reason.

 

The hormones that animals are injected with are the same naturally occuring hormones the animal already produces, not 'chemicals'. People don't always want to use hormones long-term, so a hoblet is another solution and spaying eliminates the issue altogether. Either way, leaving jills in season can and does cause serious problems, whether you have experienced them or not. If you would rather wait until a jill became ill in order to utilise alternative methods of bringing them out of season instead of ensuring it's prevented in the first place then that's your choice but I wouldn't recommend it and I don't think you should either.

 

 

Ever actually seen a dog or ferret infected with CD or parvo? Dog YES ferret NO but none of my animals have ever had either in all my time of keeping them

Or a jill with aplastic anemia? NO NEVER

Dogs and Cats are brought out of season with the same hormone regulators as ferrets are. SURELY not due to the size difference in your 3 instances?

Vaccines are advised(administered)to prevent illness/disease as prevention is better than cure.NEVER DISPUTED THAT FACT BUT I ASKED ABOUT BOOSTERS

 

EITHER WAYS, leaving a jill in season CAN and does cause serious problems,wether you have experienced them or not, if you would rather wait until a jill became ill in order to use alternative methods of bringing them out of season instead of ensuring its prevented in the first place thats your choice but I would nt recommend it and I dont think you should either

 

CAN and MIGHT are very popular words with people trying to convince others what to do Having had ferrets for over 50years Vasectomised hobs were unheard of jill jabs when did they come about? around about the same time as the fluffies brigade got into showing ferrets? So how did you manage before then? My experience leads me to believe its not neccessary to have them taken out of season with no ill effects whatsoever

Yourself on the other hand tell me what you think will happen to my ferrets if I dont do what you say and your experience of these illnesses/diseases are they first hand or read/heard from equally dubious sources

BUT hold on you jab your jills and snip your hobs so your ferrets cant possibly suffer from these symptoms you have seen can they

Y.I.S Leeview

 

Sorry mate, it appears your leave your jills in season and they will be fine arguement isn't really convincing anyone. As far as boosters go, have you ever heard of antigens? If you haven't, then read one of those books full of pretend illnesses you keep talking about and you will be able to answer your own question. Modern science has moved on, why don't you catch up.

your forgetting theres documented downsides to jill jabs ,spaying ect each to there own iam in the lea camp but thinking on a vas hob for next year but again read the documented downside on phantom pregnancys .science aint moved that much when they cant guarentee a problem free solution without side effects so your argument aint convincing me

 

There are documented downsides to chemo, vaccinations & surgery....but they save lives, so get a proper arguement.

The use of Jill jabs & hoblets are designed to 'trick' the jills reproductive system into a false/psuedo pregnancy,

PLAYING WITH THE JILLS HEAD

therefore bringing them out of season, preventing bone marrow hyperplasia, immunity supression, decreased platelet count/internal bleeding etc etc associated with prolonged oestrus/aplastic anaemia. A pregnant jill can return to season after birthing a litter,

DID YOU NOT SUGGEST EARLIER IN THIS SITUATION TO GET THE JILL REJABBED WHEN THIS HAPPENS? WHILST FEEDING KITS?

but it certainly doesn't mean just keep breeding her to solve the problem.

WHERE HAVE I MENTIONED BREEDING TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM?

So why should the risks of pyometra & aplastic anaemia, UTI's etc by leaving jills in prolonged oestrus be a better solution than minimising/eliminating the risks by alternative methods? Alternative methods of hormone influence have been developed

WHERE DO THEY GET THESE HORMONES FROM TO INJECT THE JILL?

and are highly successful for the reason that the risk of prolonged oestrus in jills is more severe than potential side effects of alternative methods, including spaying.

 

You stay in the lea camp out there in no man's land

 

Y.I.S Leeview

That reply wasn't aimed at you, but anyway.

You believe that bringing a jill out of oestrus fucks with her head? How exactly does ending her oestrus cycle do that, after all it's exactly what would happen in the wild?! Working on your warped logic, vaccinations must also f**k with heads, after all the vaccine is tricking the immune system into producing antibodies. It wasn't me who suggested jill jabbing a lactating mother, so unlucky there. Also look back over the thread, where did I say jills must be brought out of season using a jill jab?...no where. You however think it is better to deny a jill the opportunity to complete her oestrus cycle, therefore predisposing her to all sorts of complications. You'd rather subject them to a 6 month oestrus cycle?..how kind of you. Leaving them in season is more artificial than using alternative methods to end their oestrus, you just can't grasp the concept, your problem, not mine. With regards to hormone production for medical/veterinary purposes, again read one of those things called books you dislike so much, then you can answer your own question, again.

Tbh, I don't believe your jills have never had any issues with leaving them in season, but that's neither here nor there, but if that is honestly true, then can you please mention this to your vets (they are the people who make sick animals better)....they will be fascinated by these bionic jills of yours, it may even be a scientific breakthrough on ferret genetics.....

 

I have a confession to make, after reading the above I must've had bionic jills over the course of the last 30 years because unbelievable as it might sound I've never came across any health issues with any jill that's been left in season. How can that have been possible when all these "experts" tell us a jill that's left in season "will have a shortened life span".

 

Seems to me that Leeview is talking through experience whereas ferret100 seems to have gained his knowledge from google.

Maybe tell that to the others on the forum who have lost their jills due to leaving them in season.