Martin Tucker 23 Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 Speedy1234 your a loser and a trouble maker. I was there long enough to have a quick look around the stalls, before I headed to Shelbourne Park to meet up with an owner of mine over from the UK to watch his dog run in the Derby. I handle his two stud dogs here at my Kennels. Both Group One winners and winners of considerable more than €50 and a red rossette ! A full whippet with no papers....... a contradiction there. No papers......non-pedigree whippet in my book. We can argue, you have your opinion, I have mine, lurcher or non-ped racing whippet. England or Ireland ! Please tell me of your contribution to the Sport and Hunting and share your wisdom with those of us less qualified than you ! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lurcher330 2,301 Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 (edited) sorry Martin but there is a big difference with non ped whippet and non reg whippets i have 2 non reg whippets but if i decided to pay the KC a fee to have them registered they would be registered whippets but you could not bring Ernies pedigree to the kc and have him registered he is basically a mongrel in the eyes of the kc Edited September 1, 2011 by lurcher330 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Martin Tucker 23 Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 Have decided not to both running my lads at any shows other than what they run down in Enniscorthy or Roscrea, as the hassle is just not worth it ! Ernies too old anyway. It`s a shame people like to stick their noses into things that dont concern them and spoil it for others. Pity you didn`t come and vent your fellings on Saturday Speedy1234, as opposed to hiding behind the computer. Albert i`ll gladly return your cheque to you to donate to an Animal Rescue of your chioce. However, my young lad wants to keep the rosette and trophy if that`s okay with you ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Martin Tucker 23 Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 lurcher330 i`m suprised you call him a mongrel as he has a pedigree going back years of purpose bred performers. A cert from the KC makes them better. Why dont you register them if your so proud of them being `pedigree whippets` ? Did you breed them ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
danny300 2,240 Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 martin your not alone it happened to someone i no who won with his none reg whippet this year aswell its sour grapes with some people just .don't like to LOOSE Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lurcher330 2,301 Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 lurcher330 i`m suprised you call him a mongrel as he has a pedigree going back years of purpose bred performers. A cert from the KC makes them better. Why dont you register them if your so proud of them being `pedigree whippets` ? Did you breed them ? i bred 1 of them from and my friend bred the other 1 and why should i have them registered with the kc ,i dont agree with their policies and i only keep them for working a maybe a bit of showing and racing in the summer at working dog shows of have no interest in anything the kc have anything to do with Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Martin Tucker 23 Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 Thank you Danny300 , I have to agree ! About losing............... tell me about it. Having been involved racing Greyhounds for 30 years i`ve seen everyside of losing from disappointments of injuries, losing finals with my dogs and ones we bred. Had two in the English Derby final by my stud dogs finished 2nd and 3rd ! Have also had great times and met the best people and have friends all over the world. Speedy and Lurcher are nobodys, but they are good at pressing on a raw nerve ! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Martin Tucker 23 Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 Most probably too mean to register them if the truth is known ! No papers...........no different to Ernie ! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lurcher330 2,301 Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 Thank you Danny300 , I have to agree ! About losing............... tell me about it. Having been involved racing Greyhounds for 30 years i`ve seen everyside of losing from disappointments of injuries, losing finals with my dogs and ones we bred. Had two in the English Derby final by my stud dogs finished 2nd and 3rd ! Have also had great times and met the best people and have friends all over the world. Speedy and Lurcher are nobodys, but they are good at pressing on a raw nerve ! your a nobody in my eyes only a cheat if your only in it for fun why did you not race against the dogs that were in Ernies class ,he is a good dog but he should have been against the dogs in his class ,there is a girl that has dogs bred the same way as Ernie more or less but she would not have the cheek to race them against whippets,not saying her name but you know who im talking about Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lurcher330 2,301 Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 Most probably too mean to register them if the truth is known ! No papers...........no different to Ernie ! i dont think so Martin my dogs would get as good if not better care than yours but as i already said im not into giving the KC money for sheets of paper i dont need Quote Link to post Share on other sites
danny300 2,240 Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 Thank you Danny300 , I have to agree ! About losing............... tell me about it. Having been involved racing Greyhounds for 30 years i`ve seen everyside of losing from disappointments of injuries, losing finals with my dogs and ones we bred. Had two in the English Derby final by my stud dogs finished 2nd and 3rd ! Have also had great times and met the best people and have friends all over the world. Speedy and Lurcher are nobodys, but they are good at pressing on a raw nerve ! the chap who bred the winner of moira and shanes bred whippet to whippet it was the same its not a whippet. IN ALL SHOWS NOW TO SETTLE IT ALL JUST HAVE WORKING DOS AND NOT KC REG DOGS THAT WOULD'NT HAVE A CLUE IN THE FIELD. its the same as the lurcher racing if your dog is not working it should not be racing Quote Link to post Share on other sites
danny300 2,240 Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 Thank you Danny300 , I have to agree ! About losing............... tell me about it. Having been involved racing Greyhounds for 30 years i`ve seen everyside of losing from disappointments of injuries, losing finals with my dogs and ones we bred. Had two in the English Derby final by my stud dogs finished 2nd and 3rd ! Have also had great times and met the best people and have friends all over the world. Speedy and Lurcher are nobodys, but they are good at pressing on a raw nerve ! your a nobody in my eyes only a cheat if your only in it for fun why did you not race against the dogs that were in Ernies class ,he is a good dog but he should have been against the dogs in his class ,there is a girl that has dogs bred the same way as Ernie more or less but she would not have the cheek to race them against whippets,not saying her name but you know who im talking about she did till she was caught Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Martin Tucker 23 Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 Most shows have Under 23 and Overs. As far as I was concerned there was a non-pedigree whippet section, so I entered that Now as far as i`m concerned that what I class him as, that is what he is classed in the UK, but in your eyes he`s a lurcher and therefore your right ! Rose can run her dogs in what ever group she decides and have often run against them and her mums Paris. Paris would be of the same type of Whippet as Ernie. Roses would have a lot more Greyhound blood in them but would still be classed as Whippets in the UK and thats where the problem lies. What`s classed as a non-ped whippet in the UK is classed as a Lurcher here. There`s no guidlines, rule books or proper organisations here and until there is, there will always be conflict. Subject now closed in my book ! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lurcher330 2,301 Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 Most shows have Under 23 and Overs. As far as I was concerned there was a non-pedigree whippet section, so I entered that Now as far as i`m concerned that what I class him as, that is what he is classed in the UK, but in your eyes he`s a lurcher and therefore your right ! Rose can run her dogs in what ever group she decides and have often run against them and her mums Paris. Paris would be of the same type of Whippet as Ernie. Roses would have a lot more Greyhound blood in them but would still be classed as Whippets in the UK and thats where the problem lies. What`s classed as a non-ped whippet in the UK is classed as a Lurcher here. There`s no guidlines, rule books or proper organisations here and until there is, there will always be conflict. Subject now closed in my book ! but when these classes were put forward for Birr it stated that there would be a class for pure bred whippets with papers and a class for pure bred whippets without papers and your dog is neither. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
danny300 2,240 Posted September 1, 2011 Report Share Posted September 1, 2011 Most shows have Under 23 and Overs. As far as I was concerned there was a non-pedigree whippet section, so I entered that Now as far as i`m concerned that what I class him as, that is what he is classed in the UK, but in your eyes he`s a lurcher and therefore your right ! Rose can run her dogs in what ever group she decides and have often run against them and her mums Paris. Paris would be of the same type of Whippet as Ernie. Roses would have a lot more Greyhound blood in them but would still be classed as Whippets in the UK and thats where the problem lies. What`s classed as a non-ped whippet in the UK is classed as a Lurcher here. There`s no guidlines, rule books or proper organisations here and until there is, there will always be conflict. Subject now closed in my book ! but when these classes were put forward for Birr it stated that there would be a class for pure bred whippets with papers and a class for pure bred whippets without papers and your dog is neither. the likes of rose is having a bad effect on racing in general she done it in south armargh it was there first show and she ruined it when she took over the racing knowing what to race her dogs against UNDER 23' ROSE 1 2 3 4 the likes of her and a few others should not be allowed to race there dogs Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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