rob190364 2,594 Posted August 23, 2011 Report Share Posted August 23, 2011 How did the list of banned dogs in the UK come about? There are four dogs banned - pitbull, dogo, tosa and fila braziliero......you can see why the pitbull would be banned in this country because it was quite widely spread and it doesn't take a genius to work out what happens when a dog like that is in the wrong hands, but the others on the list confuse me because I wouldn't have thought they'd be a common sight in the UK even if they weren't banned? and what made them ban those dogs specifically? I know they have the power/temprament to cause serious harm in the wrong hands but so do other breeds that are legal in the UK (Akita/Rotty etc).......just wondering if there were incidents that brought it about or is it just simply a decision made by pen pushers? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
B.P.R 2,798 Posted August 23, 2011 Report Share Posted August 23, 2011 Not sure about the others but I done a bit of research on the dogo a while back. The dogo was bred from the cordoba fighting dog which is now extinct. This dog was ferocious and even killed kennel mates etc. Without looking back at the research to be 100% correct I'm sure they bred a few different mastiff types, and larger dogs, boxers etc with the cordoba to form the dogo. Reminds me of a big pitbull to look at. Don't know About the rest. There must have been something to trigger the ban. Afterall I'm sure an Akita, great Dane, staffy etc could do just as much damage as one of these in the wrong hands? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rob190364 2,594 Posted August 23, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2011 Not sure about the others but I done a bit of research on the dogo a while back. The dogo was bred from the cordoba fighting dog which is now extinct. This dog was ferocious and even killed kennel mates etc. Without looking back at the research to be 100% correct I'm sure they bred a few different mastiff types, and larger dogs, boxers etc with the cordoba to form the dogo. Reminds me of a big pitbull to look at. Don't know About the rest. There must have been something to trigger the ban. Afterall I'm sure an Akita, great Dane, staffy etc could do just as much damage as one of these in the wrong hands? What I don't understand is how they'd prove the breeding.....pitbulls and dogos are quite distinctive, but you could easily end up with a dog that looked like a fila or a tosa with a mastiff cross, because essentially, that's all they are anyway! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
B.P.R 2,798 Posted August 23, 2011 Report Share Posted August 23, 2011 There will be many x's about in Britain. Like you said, how would they prove it. What about the presa canario? I thought they were banned aswell? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rob190364 2,594 Posted August 23, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2011 There will be many x's about in Britain. Like you said, how would they prove it. What about the presa canario? I thought they were banned aswell? Not according to the government website http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/HomeAndCommunity/InYourHome/AnimalsAndPets/DG_180098 To be honest, and I'm sure people would know a lot more than me on this, but I wouldn't have thought they'd do a lot about it unless you were suspected or guilty of doing something else, or were blatantly flaunting them or acting anti social? There's a couple of lads near me that have pitbulls, the dogs are fine and don't show any signs of aggression, the lads are friendly enough and seem to keep themselves to themselves, and a few times I've seen them walk past coppers and the coppers don't bat an eyelid.....and the dogs are blatantly pits. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
unlacedgecko 1,466 Posted August 23, 2011 Report Share Posted August 23, 2011 The DDA was complied with close interaction with the UK Kennel Club. It is no surprise that the Dogo, Tosa and Fila were not recognised by the UK KC at the time of the ban. The DDA is more to do with breed politics and snobbery than it is to protect the public. Some of the anti breed specific legislation website will explain this better than I can. Most members of the authorities (police, judicary etc) and other organisations (RSPCA etc) wouldn't know a pit bull if it bit them on the arse. I remember a few years ago the head of the authority making decisions on the destruction of pit bull type dogs admitted that she had never seen a pit bull before... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rob190364 2,594 Posted August 23, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2011 The DDA was complied with close interaction with the UK Kennel Club. It is no surprise that the Dogo, Tosa and Fila were not recognised by the UK KC at the time of the ban. The DDA is more to do with breed politics and snobbery than it is to protect the public. Some of the anti breed specific legislation website will explain this better than I can. Most members of the authorities (police, judicary etc) and other organisations (RSPCA etc) wouldn't know a pit bull if it bit them on the arse. I remember a few years ago the head of the authority making decisions on the destruction of pit bull type dogs admitted that she had never seen a pit bull before... speaks volumes!!!!! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bulldogman 55 Posted August 23, 2011 Report Share Posted August 23, 2011 they use the word 'type' which allows the police tom sieze anything they see fit..........should be based on deed not breed anyway....... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
staffs riffraff 1,068 Posted August 23, 2011 Report Share Posted August 23, 2011 Unless your being a twat with the dog or it's outwardly aggressive to people dogs in the public the chances are nothing will happen unless some noshed jobsworth sees you with it Quote Link to post Share on other sites
blan89 159 Posted August 23, 2011 Report Share Posted August 23, 2011 Unless your being a twat with the dog or it's outwardly aggressive to people dogs in the public the chances are nothing will happen unless some noshed jobsworth sees you with it or the filth are having a slow month and they need to make a few shitty arrests to meet their quotas. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
6pack 60 Posted August 23, 2011 Report Share Posted August 23, 2011 It's a series of checkboxes that make a banned breed. And the KC can teach you them in a 4 hour course if you are willing to pay. The breeds were considered dangerous fighting dogs in a knee jerk reaction to a child being killed 20 years ago now. You would be astounded at some of the dogs that have been seized, killed.....the conditions they are kept in, sometimes for years! A bad piece of legislation that has lasted too long. It doesn't matter how the dog behaves, if seen and considered 'type' the police have the right to seize. No innocent till proven guilty, taken there and then. Some pups from the same litter were seized, one released as not type, the other PTS as pitbull type. Another case saw an owner that could prove parentage, but the dog still lost it's life as type. You can appeal to the court to be included on the exempt list, this usually requires a temperament test, done in a location unknown to you and the dog, you aren't allowed to see it done, or know what they do. If your dog is allowed to live, they have certain restraining orders that must be inplace AT ALL TIMES, even if the dog is in your own car.....they must be tattooed, neutered and 3rd party insured. Can you find the pitbull? http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/findpit.html Sorry for the rant, but it's a law that makes me so angry Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hollie 21 Posted August 23, 2011 Report Share Posted August 23, 2011 It's a series of checkboxes that make a banned breed. And the KC can teach you them in a 4 hour course if you are willing to pay. The breeds were considered dangerous fighting dogs in a knee jerk reaction to a child being killed 20 years ago now. You would be astounded at some of the dogs that have been seized, killed.....the conditions they are kept in, sometimes for years! A bad piece of legislation that has lasted too long. It doesn't matter how the dog behaves, if seen and considered 'type' the police have the right to seize. No innocent till proven guilty, taken there and then. Some pups from the same litter were seized, one released as not type, the other PTS as pitbull type. Another case saw an owner that could prove parentage, but the dog still lost it's life as type. You can appeal to the court to be included on the exempt list, this usually requires a temperament test, done in a location unknown to you and the dog, you aren't allowed to see it done, or know what they do. If your dog is allowed to live, they have certain restraining orders that must be inplace AT ALL TIMES, even if the dog is in your own car.....they must be tattooed, neutered and 3rd party insured. Can you find the pitbull? http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/findpit.html Sorry for the rant, but it's a law that makes me so angry Number 16, number 3 would be my other choice but i would say 3 is an AM staff and 16 is an APBT................................. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
6pack 60 Posted August 23, 2011 Report Share Posted August 23, 2011 It is number 16, but wasn't a test lol. All these dogs have been mistaken as pitbull types. Click on some of the others and be surprised what they really are, including Jack Russels and a Vizla. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hollie 21 Posted August 23, 2011 Report Share Posted August 23, 2011 It is number 16, but wasn't a test lol. All these dogs have been mistaken as pitbull types. Click on some of the others and be surprised what they really are, including Jack Russels and a Vizla. I know just wanted to see if i could do it, i clicked on them after id answered and was annoyed i got number 3 wrong its a good page, just shows how silly some people are to think some of those breeds are Pits, theres even a patterdale on there!! scary really! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
staffs riffraff 1,068 Posted August 23, 2011 Report Share Posted August 23, 2011 It's a series of checkboxes that make a banned breed. And the KC can teach you them in a 4 hour course if you are willing to pay. The breeds were considered dangerous fighting dogs in a knee jerk reaction to a child being killed 20 years ago now. You would be astounded at some of the dogs that have been seized, killed.....the conditions they are kept in, sometimes for years! A bad piece of legislation that has lasted too long. It doesn't matter how the dog behaves, if seen and considered 'type' the police have the right to seize. No innocent till proven guilty, taken there and then. Some pups from the same litter were seized, one released as not type, the other PTS as pitbull type. Another case saw an owner that could prove parentage, but the dog still lost it's life as type. You can appeal to the court to be included on the exempt list, this usually requires a temperament test, done in a location unknown to you and the dog, you aren't allowed to see it done, or know what they do. If your dog is allowed to live, they have certain restraining orders that must be inplace AT ALL TIMES, even if the dog is in your own car.....they must be tattooed, neutered and 3rd party insured. Can you find the pitbull? http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/findpit.html Sorry for the rant, but it's a law that makes me so angry it was bad what happened to the young girl but she wasnt killed but mauled yet there are other type dogs that have killed and are not on the dda list its a total farce like most of the laws in this country Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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